I see a new category of LID on the horizon: the operator who likes to say hello to his friends.
When this is over, will there be any satellite operators left who AREN'T LIDs for one reason or another?
-------------------------------------------- On Sun, 4/16/17, Tucker McGuire tucker@mcguireland.com wrote:
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dupe contacts on SO-50 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Received: Sunday, April 16, 2017, 9:58 PM
Hello space bird enthusiasts,
I have noticed that certain stations on busy SO-50 passes work the same stations that they have worked on many previous passes when they are in the same grid. Dupe contacts.
This can prevent and has prevented other stations from trying to work new grids that happen to be on or perhaps prevented them from working a new guy that hasn't been on the satellites before. On quiet passes I see no issues with working the same station you've worked hundreds of times before but on busy SO-50 passes it is just disruptive.
Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon but that's my two cents.
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Ken,
I think Tucker was going down the road of lack of situational awareness. It is great to stop and say hi to friends but do you do this on a busy highway, no. If we think of busy FM passes like the 405 here in LA you can see where this is counterproductive.
If you want to hang out and chat with your friends then us hams have many options. HF, DMR, IRLP, the list is long. We all know if there was a single channel only on 40m with a 10 minute opening and you wanted to say "howdy neighbor" with DX rolling in you might be called a LID.
Just like anything else, there's a time and place for saying hi to old friends, doing it in the middle of heavy traffic just isn't the time or place.
73,
Mike Diehl AI6GS
On Apr 16, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Ken Alexander k.alexander@rogers.com wrote:
I see a new category of LID on the horizon: the operator who likes to say hello to his friends.
When this is over, will there be any satellite operators left who AREN'T LIDs for one reason or another?
On Sun, 4/16/17, Tucker McGuire tucker@mcguireland.com wrote:
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dupe contacts on SO-50 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Received: Sunday, April 16, 2017, 9:58 PM
Hello space bird enthusiasts,
I have noticed that certain stations on busy SO-50 passes work the same stations that they have worked on many previous passes when they are in the same grid. Dupe contacts.
This can prevent and has prevented other stations from trying to work new grids that happen to be on or perhaps prevented them from working a new guy that hasn't been on the satellites before. On quiet passes I see no issues with working the same station you've worked hundreds of times before but on busy SO-50 passes it is just disruptive.
Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon but that's my two cents.
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Excellent point and a nice analogy, Mike.
Steve AI9IN
On 2017-04-16 23:27, Mike Diehl wrote:
Ken,
I think Tucker was going down the road of lack of situational awareness. It is great to stop and say hi to friends but do you do this on a busy highway, no. If we think of busy FM passes like the 405 here in LA you can see where this is counterproductive.
If you want to hang out and chat with your friends then us hams have many options. HF, DMR, IRLP, the list is long. We all know if there was a single channel only on 40m with a 10 minute opening and you wanted to say "howdy neighbor" with DX rolling in you might be called a LID.
Just like anything else, there's a time and place for saying hi to old friends, doing it in the middle of heavy traffic just isn't the time or place.
73,
Mike Diehl AI6GS
On Apr 16, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Ken Alexander k.alexander@rogers.com wrote:
I see a new category of LID on the horizon: the operator who likes to say hello to his friends.
When this is over, will there be any satellite operators left who AREN'T LIDs for one reason or another?
On Sun, 4/16/17, Tucker McGuire tucker@mcguireland.com wrote:
Subject: [amsat-bb] Dupe contacts on SO-50 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Received: Sunday, April 16, 2017, 9:58 PM
Hello space bird enthusiasts,
I have noticed that certain stations on busy SO-50 passes work the same stations that they have worked on many previous passes when they are in the same grid. Dupe contacts.
This can prevent and has prevented other stations from trying to work new grids that happen to be on or perhaps prevented them from working a new guy that hasn't been on the satellites before. On quiet passes I see no issues with working the same station you've worked hundreds of times before but on busy SO-50 passes it is just disruptive.
Maybe I'm just a curmudgeon but that's my two cents.
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I believe this is just something that will have to be put up with on a FM up and FM down satellite. Checking a number of calls you will find that many are limited to VHF UHF band but bit by the DX bug.
John
It has been interesting reading all of the chatter on here over the weekend. I have been into satellites for many years and find it enjoyable to make some quick contacts on SO-50 or AO-85 even if it is someone I already have in my log. I am sure we all have multiple duplicate contacts in all of our logs. I don't rag chew on the FM birds obviously but have been known to have a extended conversation with someone I know on FO-29 and if you tune across the passband you will hear multiple conversations like this. I do hear and contact new stations that are getting up and running on the FM satellites but the community of satellite operators is fairly small and we will make multiple contacts with the same stations. If I am told I need to stay off an SO-50 pass because I am hearing stations I already have in my log, some of those passes are going to be pretty quiet if we were all to take that stance and risk being accused of causing QRM. That is the nature of the FM satellites. There are mid US passes where you can't get a word in edgewise because it is so busy. There is always another pass to try. 73, Scott, KA7FVV President - KBARA www.kbara.org Co-Owner 443.525 System Fusion Repeaterhttp://www.ka7fvv.net
From: John Becker w0jab@big-river.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Dupe contacts on SO-50
I believe this is just something that will have to be put up with on a FM up and FM down satellite. Checking a number of calls you will find that many are limited to VHF UHF band but bit by the DX bug.
John
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