I'm very new to satellite operation but have been having a blast for the past couple of weeks. Using an IC-910H with attic antennas that include a 7 element 432 Arrow antenna with an SSB Electronics pre-amp mounted at the antenna. 1/2" hardline makes the 70' run from the attic to the shack in the garage. 2 Meters shows a 6 element K1FO Yagi with an SSB Electronics pre-amp and 1/2" hardline.
Rig is controlled by SATPC32 via the CI-V interface at 9600 baud.
On SO-50, I have no problems with doppler correction as you would suspect. With the other birds, doppler is sometimes an issue. Sometimes I hear stations strongly but when I call them, I don't hear my own uplink and the other station obviously doesn't hear me either.
On other passes, the difference is not so great, and I'll hear my own uplink, though usually slightly off frequency.
I know its possible to adjust the uplink frequency in the software, and I've tried it during passes without much success. The translated help file from German isn't much assistance to me so far.
Can someone on the list point me towards a better explanation on the web, or offer suggestions on how to correct the situation? Any help is greatly appreciated!
Les,
Here is the procedure I've used with SatPC32 and my Icom IC-821 for Doppler correction when operating SSB. It should work with any rig that is CAT controlled. (This is a corrected version of something I wrote a couple of years ago in response to a similar question.)
Your success operating SO-50 is a good proving ground.
Here is the approach I took:
(1) Install SatPC32, enter your station's latitude and longitude, update the Keplarian elements, and synchronize the PC clock to a national standard like WWV/NIST.
(2) Get your radio and SatPC32 communicating, and verify the operation (including Doppler correction) using an FM satellite (for example, SO-50).
(3) Wait for a good pass of VO-52, for example 60+ degrees maximum elevation. I suggest VO-52 because it is the newest (compared to AO-7 and FO-29), it was more tolerant of using too much transmit power, and it had the smallest transponder correction. Note: This was true in 2011 with the Indian transponder. Since then the Indian transponder has failed and VO-52 is using the Dutch transponder which is not as tolerant of high power and isn't as frequency stable.
(4) Open the "CAT" window. You can move the Window so that it doesn't block access to the main SatPC32 window. Tune the radio above the center of the satellite passband to reduce the QRM to other users. Make sure you are in SSB mode on the radio ("CW-" on SatPC32).
(5) Using your call and "Test 1-2-3", listen for yourself while you are transmitting. You probably won't hear yourself at all, at least I didn't. Using the +100 and -100 buttons in the Transmit Correction part of the CAT window, try to find yourself. For VO-52, you should hear yourself within +/- 1500 hertz. (I think I was about +800, but that is from memory on the Indian transponder.)
(6) Once you hear yourself using the +/-100 buttons, fine tune using the +/-10 buttons.
(7) You can improve the tuning of your uplink/downlink using CW mode ("CW+" on SatPC32). Zero-beat the Icom's CW sidetone with your received signal.
(8) *Save* the result by using the "Save" button in the CAT window. When given the choice, save the transmitter correction.
(9) Verify that things are working by working a few VO-52 QSOs.
(10) Repeat using FO-29 and AO-7, in that order. You may need to search over a wider frequency range (+/-3000 hertz).
(11) One other important change when moving from FM to SSB. Your power output is important! Learn how to reduce your power and use the minimum power needed to hear yourself on the satellite. If you use too much power, you'll trash other conversations on the satellite and your transmissions will be badly distorted! This is especially true of AO-7 mode B; you'll be able to hear the entire satellite passband modulated by a single CW operator running too much power.
Good luck!
73, Steve N9IP --
Steve Belter, seb@wintek.com
On 4/23/13 3:40 PM, "Les Rayburn" les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
I'm very new to satellite operation but have been having a blast for the past couple of weeks. Using an IC-910H with attic antennas that include a 7 element 432 Arrow antenna with an SSB Electronics pre-amp mounted at the antenna. 1/2" hardline makes the 70' run from the attic to the shack in the garage. 2 Meters shows a 6 element K1FO Yagi with an SSB Electronics pre-amp and 1/2" hardline.
Rig is controlled by SATPC32 via the CI-V interface at 9600 baud.
On SO-50, I have no problems with doppler correction as you would suspect. With the other birds, doppler is sometimes an issue. Sometimes I hear stations strongly but when I call them, I don't hear my own uplink and the other station obviously doesn't hear me either.
On other passes, the difference is not so great, and I'll hear my own uplink, though usually slightly off frequency.
I know its possible to adjust the uplink frequency in the software, and I've tried it during passes without much success. The translated help file from German isn't much assistance to me so far.
Can someone on the list point me towards a better explanation on the web, or offer suggestions on how to correct the situation? Any help is greatly appreciated!
-- 73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf
6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484
Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light
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Stephen,
Thank your the advice on how to improve my satellite operation. Much appreciated, and exactly what I was hoping for when I posted the questions to the AMSAT BB. Tried it last night on a pass with mixed results. But I think I understand the principle now.
I'll also look for you on the birds---I need your grid! :-)
Les
Steve,N9IP gave a very good tutorial on how to set up. The one thing that he said that took me a while to figure out was to make sure you get a nice clean path to adjust your uplink. You see we are coming to the time of year that the tree's are filling up with water and if your pointing at a satellite through the tree's your down link might sound distorted to you, but be just fine to every one else. So if you can, try to get as clean of a path as you can to adjust. This is more noticeable on SSB birds than it is on the FM birds. 73 John KC0BMF
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
I'm very new to satellite operation but have been having a blast for the past couple of weeks. Using an IC-910H with attic antennas that include a 7 element 432 Arrow antenna with an SSB Electronics pre-amp mounted at the antenna. 1/2" hardline makes the 70' run from the attic to the shack in the garage. 2 Meters shows a 6 element K1FO Yagi with an SSB Electronics pre-amp and 1/2" hardline.
Rig is controlled by SATPC32 via the CI-V interface at 9600 baud.
On SO-50, I have no problems with doppler correction as you would suspect. With the other birds, doppler is sometimes an issue. Sometimes I hear stations strongly but when I call them, I don't hear my own uplink and the other station obviously doesn't hear me either.
On other passes, the difference is not so great, and I'll hear my own uplink, though usually slightly off frequency.
I know its possible to adjust the uplink frequency in the software, and I've tried it during passes without much success. The translated help file from German isn't much assistance to me so far.
Can someone on the list point me towards a better explanation on the web, or offer suggestions on how to correct the situation? Any help is greatly appreciated!
-- 73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf
6M VUCC #1712 AMSAT #38965 Grid Bandits #222 Southeastern VHF Society Central States VHF Society Life Member Six Club #2484
Active on 6 Meters thru 1296, 10GHz & Light
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