Did anyone record this pass? Hope worked a few stations from the beach in EL98 and there was an XE1 station that she worked at the end of the pass. The recording is covered up by someone on the beach coming up and asking what she was doing. I can’t make out the callsign.
Thanks for everyone who bears with all of the kids as they learn how to be good operators! This pass was a great learning experience to explain how some people are lids and that it is illegal to key up your mic and whistle on the radio. The youngest wonders why someone would spend so much money and time to make a satellite station and then just try to jam people. She is very observant.
73,
James - WX4TV
That was Eduardo, XE1SEW.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 8:50 AM, James Lea - WX4TV james@wx4tv.com wrote:
Did anyone record this pass? Hope worked a few stations from the beach in EL98 and there was an XE1 station that she worked at the end of the pass. The recording is covered up by someone on the beach coming up and asking what she was doing. I can’t make out the callsign.
Thanks for everyone who bears with all of the kids as they learn how to be good operators! This pass was a great learning experience to explain how some people are lids and that it is illegal to key up your mic and whistle on the radio. The youngest wonders why someone would spend so much money and time to make a satellite station and then just try to jam people. She is very observant.
73,
James - WX4TV
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Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
BOB KO6TZ
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
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Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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Not saying anyone did anything wrong but if possible it is better to make a external speaker out cable to go into an line input in, ideally an audio recorder, or less ideally a voice recorder. I just got a Zoom H1 for this purpose. You may also need an audio splitter.
John, KG4AKV On Aug 24, 2015 11:29 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" james@wx4tv.com wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
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That is in the works, John. I am allowing her to learn and make her own decisions about things. Simply giving it all to her upfront doesn’t encourage learning. Nor does belittling a little girl, as was done in a previous message.
Thanks for the advice.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:44 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Not saying anyone did anything wrong but if possible it is better to make a external speaker out cable to go into an line input in, ideally an audio recorder, or less ideally a voice recorder. I just got a Zoom H1 for this purpose. You may also need an audio splitter.
John, KG4AKV
On Aug 24, 2015 11:29 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" <james@wx4tv.com mailto:james@wx4tv.com> wrote: OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com mailto:skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
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Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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That makes sense. Let her learn and understand through learning, even failing sometimes. On Aug 24, 2015 11:47 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" james@wx4tv.com wrote:
That is in the works, John. I am allowing her to learn and make her own decisions about things. Simply giving it all to her upfront doesn’t encourage learning. Nor does belittling a little girl, as was done in a previous message.
Thanks for the advice.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 11:44 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Not saying anyone did anything wrong but if possible it is better to make a external speaker out cable to go into an line input in, ideally an audio recorder, or less ideally a voice recorder. I just got a Zoom H1 for this purpose. You may also need an audio splitter.
John, KG4AKV On Aug 24, 2015 11:29 AM, "James Lea - WX4TV" james@wx4tv.com wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
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Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact
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Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
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Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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She copied the callsign, but since they relied on the recording to log, she didn't remember it. The QSO is fine.
We all have logging failures like that!
As far as contacts on sked not counting - that's incorrect. They are just as legit as any other contact.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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Why does everyone need to play satellite QSO police?
Maybe, just maybe they wanted to know the callsign so she could see where on Earth he was. Ya know, she's 9 years old and she does a better job on the birds than a few of the self proclaimed satellite ninjas that I hear.
I don't understand why people need to throw in their "If you didn't copy it, it wasn't a contact" crap. Maybe we should say that listening to your recording doesn't count because after all, it was the recorder that copied it not you. If you weren't on the pass and don't have the info that was asked for maybe you should just not reply.
It's a hobby...lay off.
Dave-KB1PVH
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Well said Dave.
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Why does everyone need to play satellite QSO police?
Maybe, just maybe they wanted to know the callsign so she could see where on Earth he was. Ya know, she's 9 years old and she does a better job on the birds than a few of the self proclaimed satellite ninjas that I hear.
I don't understand why people need to throw in their "If you didn't copy it, it wasn't a contact" crap. Maybe we should say that listening to your recording doesn't count because after all, it was the recorder that copied it not you. If you weren't on the pass and don't have the info that was asked for maybe you should just not reply.
It's a hobby...lay off.
Dave-KB1PVH
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Gus said (in part):
And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or
awards.
You have clearly never operated a microwave contest. For all practical purposes, all contacts are made using a lower frequency co-ordination frequency or network. When you are operating in a mode where the dishes at both ends of the path need to be pointed within a half degree of peak, and are often at best able to get signals that are only a dB or two above ESP level - and of course you need to be on the same frequency, it would be almost impossible for two stations to make any contacts with co-ordination via some means. The contacts are legitmately made on the microwave frequencies, but getting the dishes pointed is done at lower frequencies. BTW, I point out that the dishes are often not pointed at each other, but rather something to bounce off of (such as a mountain, clouds or airplanes).
Here is the Southwest US, a normally private linked UHF radio system that covers most of the southwest opens the system for the microwave contest operators for both weekends of the 10GHz and up contests. It's really quite amazing to hear what they do, but there is no way they could make the contacts that they do without co-ordinating them.
Jim - K6CCC
Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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We’re talking about a 9 year old girl who worked her tail off to learn the material and earn her Technician license. She is now studying for her General and learning Morse Code. She also likes to learn by doing. Hence, she is making a few mistakes along the way as she operates. But, she learns. I will leave it to Bob and Angus to figure out what she learned about adults like them from reading these posts. (Yes, she does read them.)
As her dad, I will call it as I see it. You’re both being bullies to a little girl who is excited about her new hobby. Way to go. I hope that you feel superior to her by setting the record straight that this wasn’t a valid contact.
She doesn’t really care about the grids or the contests or the awards. She simply likes talking to people on the radio and figuring out where her signal went. She likes to go to public places to operate because people ask questions and she gets to tell them how fun Ham Radio is. This time, the recording got covered up by someone asking a question. She is a little girl who was excited that she spoke to someone in Mexico via Ham Radio. Bob and Angus, you have dashed the excitement. Well done.
She bounced back, though… She determined on her own that if she is ever in a grid that you need, she isn’t going to give it to you. (Grids are so important, aren’t they?)
Heck, she is speaking about satellite ops at the Dayton Youth Forum next year. Maybe you might make it into her speech.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:08 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to stand next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the callsign yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on the beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording. I am so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9 year old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator covered the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact !!!
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Hi James,
I think it is absolutely AWESOME that you have your 9 year old daughter into the hobby! That kind of enthusiasm cant' be bought for anything!! You daughter is a great ambassador for the hobby vs the old crusty farts with the negative comments. Fortunately, they are few and far between. Hiram had a couple of different implements for dealing with likes of the old fart contingent, they would do well to review those instruments prior to making inane comments attacking 9 year olds.
Having worked a few satellites myself, I congratulate your daughter on working through the process and making contacts. Good Job!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend Oregon CN94
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:33 AM, James Lea - WX4TV james@wx4tv.com wrote:
We’re talking about a 9 year old girl who worked her tail off to learn the material and earn her Technician license. She is now studying for her General and learning Morse Code. She also likes to learn by doing. Hence, she is making a few mistakes along the way as she operates. But, she learns. I will leave it to Bob and Angus to figure out what she learned about adults like them from reading these posts. (Yes, she does read them.)
As her dad, I will call it as I see it. You’re both being bullies to a little girl who is excited about her new hobby. Way to go. I hope that you feel superior to her by setting the record straight that this wasn’t a valid contact.
She doesn’t really care about the grids or the contests or the awards. She simply likes talking to people on the radio and figuring out where her signal went. She likes to go to public places to operate because people ask questions and she gets to tell them how fun Ham Radio is. This time, the recording got covered up by someone asking a question. She is a little girl who was excited that she spoke to someone in Mexico via Ham Radio. Bob and Angus, you have dashed the excitement. Well done.
She bounced back, though… She determined on her own that if she is ever in a grid that you need, she isn’t going to give it to you. (Grids are so important, aren’t they?)
Heck, she is speaking about satellite ops at the Dayton Youth Forum next year. Maybe you might make it into her speech.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:08 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to
stand
next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the
callsign
yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on
the
beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording.
I am
so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9
year
old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios
and an
antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator
covered
the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact
!!!
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Well said Jeff,
I can't wait to hear your awesome daughter on the bird again James. You are a blessed Dad to have a youngster interested in Amateur Radio these days with all the outside distractions. I bet you are immensely proud of her. Keep up the good work and pretend the QRM isn't there. They will quietly go away.
Michael/KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad
On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
I think it is absolutely AWESOME that you have your 9 year old daughter into the hobby! That kind of enthusiasm cant' be bought for anything!! You daughter is a great ambassador for the hobby vs the old crusty farts with the negative comments. Fortunately, they are few and far between. Hiram had a couple of different implements for dealing with likes of the old fart contingent, they would do well to review those instruments prior to making inane comments attacking 9 year olds.
Having worked a few satellites myself, I congratulate your daughter on working through the process and making contacts. Good Job!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend Oregon CN94
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:33 AM, James Lea - WX4TV james@wx4tv.com wrote:
We’re talking about a 9 year old girl who worked her tail off to learn the material and earn her Technician license. She is now studying for her General and learning Morse Code. She also likes to learn by doing. Hence, she is making a few mistakes along the way as she operates. But, she learns. I will leave it to Bob and Angus to figure out what she learned about adults like them from reading these posts. (Yes, she does read them.)
As her dad, I will call it as I see it. You’re both being bullies to a little girl who is excited about her new hobby. Way to go. I hope that you feel superior to her by setting the record straight that this wasn’t a valid contact.
She doesn’t really care about the grids or the contests or the awards. She simply likes talking to people on the radio and figuring out where her signal went. She likes to go to public places to operate because people ask questions and she gets to tell them how fun Ham Radio is. This time, the recording got covered up by someone asking a question. She is a little girl who was excited that she spoke to someone in Mexico via Ham Radio. Bob and Angus, you have dashed the excitement. Well done.
She bounced back, though… She determined on her own that if she is ever in a grid that you need, she isn’t going to give it to you. (Grids are so important, aren’t they?)
Heck, she is speaking about satellite ops at the Dayton Youth Forum next year. Maybe you might make it into her speech.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:08 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to
stand
next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the
callsign
yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But facts are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on
the
beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording.
I am
so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9
year
old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios
and an
antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator
covered
the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept....
If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact
!!!
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Not to stir the pot anymore (too late for that) but I don't think that one of the initial replies was really mean spirited or anything like that. He was simply mentioning a rule/tradition that has been in place in ham radio since the dawn of radio-that at least 1 piece of information needs to be accurately received by each operator in order for it to count as a valid contact.
No where in the initial message did it say that a 9 year old girl was involved, and even if it did, that doesn't change the reality of things.
Isn't it wonderful how we now attack the person who pointed that out with namecalling and "agism" remarks just because some didn't like what he said.
I sure how in the future we don't set aside FCC rules just so we don't crush the spirit of some young ham
(Flameproof suit now on)
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Well said Jeff,
I can't wait to hear your awesome daughter on the bird again James. You are a blessed Dad to have a youngster interested in Amateur Radio these days with all the outside distractions. I bet you are immensely proud of her. Keep up the good work and pretend the QRM isn't there. They will quietly go away.
Michael/KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad
On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
I think it is absolutely AWESOME that you have your 9 year old daughter into the hobby! That kind of enthusiasm cant' be bought for anything!! You daughter is a great ambassador for the hobby vs the old crusty farts with the negative comments. Fortunately, they are few and far between. Hiram had a couple of different implements for dealing with likes of the old fart contingent, they would do well to review those instruments prior to making inane comments attacking 9 year olds.
Having worked a few satellites myself, I congratulate your daughter on working through the process and making contacts. Good Job!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend Oregon CN94
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:33 AM, James Lea - WX4TV james@wx4tv.com
wrote:
We’re talking about a 9 year old girl who worked her tail off to learn
the
material and earn her Technician license. She is now studying for her General and learning Morse Code. She also likes to learn by doing.
Hence,
she is making a few mistakes along the way as she operates. But, she learns. I will leave it to Bob and Angus to figure out what she learned about adults like them from reading these posts. (Yes, she does read
them.)
As her dad, I will call it as I see it. You’re both being bullies to a little girl who is excited about her new hobby. Way to go. I hope that you feel superior to her by setting the record straight that this
wasn’t a
valid contact.
She doesn’t really care about the grids or the contests or the awards. She simply likes talking to people on the radio and figuring out where
her
signal went. She likes to go to public places to operate because people ask questions and she gets to tell them how fun Ham Radio is. This time, the recording got covered up by someone asking a question. She is a
little
girl who was excited that she spoke to someone in Mexico via Ham Radio. Bob and Angus, you have dashed the excitement. Well done.
She bounced back, though… She determined on her own that if she is ever in a grid that you need, she isn’t going to give it to you. (Grids are
so
important, aren’t they?)
Heck, she is speaking about satellite ops at the Dayton Youth Forum next year. Maybe you might make it into her speech.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:08 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to
stand
next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the
callsign
yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't
want
to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But
facts
are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on
the
beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording.
I am
so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9
year
old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios
and an
antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote:
Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob.
Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to give you a call.
Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator
covered
the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question?
What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote:
Basic concept.... > > If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact
!!!
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Well then, I will extend the olive branch. I apologize for flaming. Understand that I was defending my very hurt little girl.
Hope is rather well known on the bird as being a very young girl. She DID get his callsign and his grid on the beach. She did not remember it when it came time to log the QSO. With time and practice, she will learn how to listen and write the information rather than to store it in her short term memory with the assumption that she will be able to get it from the recording. How many of us use recorders to help with logging?
I simply asked on the reflector if someone recorded it so she could write it down in her logbook. The reply was "If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact!!!” Not anywhere did I say that she did not copy the call sign. She read the reply and said, “I did copy the callsign, but I don’t remember it.” The original reply from KO6TZ crushed the spirit of a little girl. The question asked on the reflector did not warrant the harsh response, regardless of the age of the operator involved.
No, age does not change the reality of things. But, I did write in the original message,"Thanks for everyone who bears with all of the kids as they learn how to be good operators! This pass was a great learning experience to explain how some people are lids and that it is illegal to key up your mic and whistle on the radio. The youngest wonders why someone would spend so much money and time to make a satellite station and then just try to jam people. She is very observant.”
Nowhere did I say that the FCC rules should be set aside for kids. In fact, I wrote that the pass was a learning experience for the kids because of the malicious interference. Ham Radio is supposed to be fun and exciting. Perhaps more operators should remember that.
James - WX4TV
On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:16 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Not to stir the pot anymore (too late for that) but I don't think that one of the initial replies was really mean spirited or anything like that. He was simply mentioning a rule/tradition that has been in place in ham radio since the dawn of radio-that at least 1 piece of information needs to be accurately received by each operator in order for it to count as a valid contact.
No where in the initial message did it say that a 9 year old girl was involved, and even if it did, that doesn't change the reality of things.
Isn't it wonderful how we now attack the person who pointed that out with namecalling and "agism" remarks just because some didn't like what he said.
I sure how in the future we don't set aside FCC rules just so we don't crush the spirit of some young ham
(Flameproof suit now on)
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Mvivona via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Well said Jeff,
I can't wait to hear your awesome daughter on the bird again James. You are a blessed Dad to have a youngster interested in Amateur Radio these days with all the outside distractions. I bet you are immensely proud of her. Keep up the good work and pretend the QRM isn't there. They will quietly go away.
Michael/KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad
On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James,
I think it is absolutely AWESOME that you have your 9 year old daughter into the hobby! That kind of enthusiasm cant' be bought for anything!! You daughter is a great ambassador for the hobby vs the old crusty farts with the negative comments. Fortunately, they are few and far between. Hiram had a couple of different implements for dealing with likes of the old fart contingent, they would do well to review those instruments prior to making inane comments attacking 9 year olds.
Having worked a few satellites myself, I congratulate your daughter on working through the process and making contacts. Good Job!!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY Bend Oregon CN94
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 11:33 AM, James Lea - WX4TV james@wx4tv.com
wrote:
We’re talking about a 9 year old girl who worked her tail off to learn
the
material and earn her Technician license. She is now studying for her General and learning Morse Code. She also likes to learn by doing.
Hence,
she is making a few mistakes along the way as she operates. But, she learns. I will leave it to Bob and Angus to figure out what she learned about adults like them from reading these posts. (Yes, she does read
them.)
As her dad, I will call it as I see it. You’re both being bullies to a little girl who is excited about her new hobby. Way to go. I hope that you feel superior to her by setting the record straight that this
wasn’t a
valid contact.
She doesn’t really care about the grids or the contests or the awards. She simply likes talking to people on the radio and figuring out where
her
signal went. She likes to go to public places to operate because people ask questions and she gets to tell them how fun Ham Radio is. This time, the recording got covered up by someone asking a question. She is a
little
girl who was excited that she spoke to someone in Mexico via Ham Radio. Bob and Angus, you have dashed the excitement. Well done.
She bounced back, though… She determined on her own that if she is ever in a grid that you need, she isn’t going to give it to you. (Grids are
so
important, aren’t they?)
Heck, she is speaking about satellite ops at the Dayton Youth Forum next year. Maybe you might make it into her speech.
On Aug 24, 2015, at 1:08 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Sked QSOs do count for awards. Done all of the time for EME and meteor scatter QSOs.
John AF5CC
On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Gus gus@8p6sm.net wrote:
Bob is completely correct.
It doesn't matter how old you are, or where you're standing, or what equipment you choose to burden your hands with, or who you invite to
stand
next to you, blabbing loudly in your ear. If you didn't copy the
callsign
yourself, then you didn't complete the QSO. No relays or outside assistance are allowed. And IIRC, contacts made on SKED don't count either, for contests or awards.
I'm sorry if young miss Hope is disappointed. I certainly wouldn't
want
to discourage her and I doubt Bob (or anyone) does either. Nor would I want to make any interested spectator feel unwelcome, either. But
facts
are facts.
Ineptitude? Belittling? Really? Let's not go there.
On 08/24/2015 11:29 AM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
OK, Bob… I will bite. Hope, who is 9 years old and was standing on
the
beach, heard his callsign and expected that it was on the recording.
I am
so sorry that for the sake of AMSAT and Ham Radio in general that a 9
year
old wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios
and an
antenna. Since she is so inept, perhaps she should quit the hobby altogether. I look forward to meeting you face to face, so you can belittle my daughter to her face.
Once Paul confirmed the callsign, we were able to make it out on the recording.
> On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:45 AM, skristof@etczone.com wrote: > > > > Whoah! Thank you for the ruling Chief Justice Bob. > > Next time we want to scare kids away from ham radio, we'll be sure to > give you a call. > > Did you read the part that they had the contact, but a spectator
covered
> the rest of the call sign on the recording by asking a question? > > What should they have done? Tell the spectator to "shut up, I'm doing > ham radio!"? Great PR for the hobby. > > Steve AI9IN > > On 2015-08-24 10:25, KO6TZ Bob wrote: > > Basic concept.... >> >> If YOU did not copy the call sign, then YOU did not make the contact
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wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna.
When I started out, it took me only one or two passes to realize I needed a tripod. I know I'm not the only one to have cobbled together a frame that mounts on a tripod and holds the antenna, two radios, a timepiece, and operating aids. Seven years later, this system is still working great.
Call me old fashioned, but a pad and pencil are indispensable for my operations. I usually note several callsigns and grid squares before making any calls, and if someone not on my list calls me, I'm quick to write their call down. This method requires no extra wires and no batteries, while creating a record that's easy to reference both during and after the pass. It's a rare occasion that I want to listen to an SO-50 pass again after getting through it "live."
73, Scott N1AIA
She used to use a tripod and will probably use it again in the future. This worked very well, but she wanted to try another way. I believe that kids learn by making mistakes. Trying to hand hold the antenna and radios is a mistake! She will learn.
The big issue with writing call signs for her is that she is still learning to write. Remember, she is a very young kid. As her writing improves, she will be able to do the paper method. All in time.
Thanks and 73,
James
On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Scott Richardson scott.xot@gmail.com wrote:
wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna.
When I started out, it took me only one or two passes to realize I needed a tripod. I know I'm not the only one to have cobbled together a frame that mounts on a tripod and holds the antenna, two radios, a timepiece, and operating aids. Seven years later, this system is still working great.
Call me old fashioned, but a pad and pencil are indispensable for my operations. I usually note several callsigns and grid squares before making any calls, and if someone not on my list calls me, I'm quick to write their call down. This method requires no extra wires and no batteries, while creating a record that's easy to reference both during and after the pass. It's a rare occasion that I want to listen to an SO-50 pass again after getting through it "live."
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Early in my USA hamsat days, I had an Icom W32A, Arrow and paper/pencil. I operated the radios, my xyl the logging and 16 yr old daughter the rotating! A family affair! The two ladies did not miss the mosquitoes during evening passes when I upgraded to the in shack radios and Yaesu 5400 rotor! 73 George WA5KBH
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She used to use a tripod and will probably use it again in the future. This worked very well, but she wanted to try another way. I believe that kids learn by making mistakes. Trying to hand hold the antenna and radios is a mistake! She will learn.
The big issue with writing call signs for her is that she is still learning to write. Remember, she is a very young kid. As her writing improves, she will be able to do the paper method. All in time.
Thanks and 73,
James
On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Scott Richardson scott.xot@gmail.com wrote:
wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna.
When I started out, it took me only one or two passes to realize I needed a tripod. I know I'm not the only one to have cobbled together a frame that mounts on a tripod and holds the antenna, two radios, a timepiece, and operating aids. Seven years later, this system is still working great.
Call me old fashioned, but a pad and pencil are indispensable for my operations. I usually note several callsigns and grid squares before making any calls, and if someone not on my list calls me, I'm quick to write their call down. This method requires no extra wires and no batteries, while creating a record that's easy to reference both during and after the pass. It's a rare occasion that I want to listen to an SO-50 pass again after getting through it "live."
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I'll throw in my .02 since the conversation has moved into a domain that I have some experience with.
I've experimented with varying ways of holding antennae, holding radios, holding hand mics, writing stuff down, and tuning two knobs for doppler... As I, like most of my fellow humans, lacked the required 5 arms to hold everything, it was miserable. I tried a tripod only to be unhappy with the reception, since I couldn't twist for polarity on the fly. I got a voice recorder, but had the exact same thing happen as ya'll did, although usually it was with cars, sirens, or low flying airplanes blasting out the microphone. I was basically where she was at... so let me, if I may be so bold, throw some pointers her way.
1. Get a headset and foot pedal. These things will run some cash, but they're worth their weight in gold. Being able to hear the bird in your headphones, blocking out the ambient noise is huge, and having the microphone in front of your mouth all the time maximizes your modulation of the transmitted signal. I got the Heil Micro Pro, and the FS-3 foot pedal, but anything like these will work. Get whatever adapter is required for whatever radio you're using to make them work. This will solve several problems in one foul swoop, and free up a couple of the 5 hands required.
2. Find a fixed place to put your radio. I *think* Hope is still using an HT, or a combination of HT's for her contacts. When I first started on SO50 I was building cheap Yagi's for reception, and attaching my HT right to the antennae itself with some zip ties. This had the dual effect of minimizing my coax run, and freeing up yet another hand from holding my radio. When I needed to shift for doppler, my free hand reached to the radio on the beam, flicked a switch, and went right back to it. Later on when I upgraded to the linear birds, and bigger radios, I bought one of those little cheap folding tables at home depot for 20 bucks, and just carried it around in the Jeep with me. Having some place to put the radios is big. With HT's, even something like a backpack that has a strap across your chest is a great place to attach it, and keep it close and accessible, without requiring another hand to hold.
3. Get tons of audio adapters. I like other people to be able to hear what I'm doing.. I also want to hear things clearly... I also want to record the pass without interference... these 3 wants typically exceed the audio output of most radios. So, get a splitter, a recorder, a volume attenuator, and an external speaker... or some combination of everything. I will, at max, run a 3-way audio splitter, plug in my headphones to one, plug in a speaker to another - with a long audio cable away from me to eliminate any feedback, and a volume attenuator feeding my voice recorder (because speaker output is typically too high for most "line-in" plugs on voice recorders) into the third. It's a mess of cables, but it accomplishes accuracy, demonstration, and recording, all at the same time.
4. Write stuff down anyway. If I'm solo somewhere, no ones watching, and I'm not trying to set DX distance records, I usually don't even mess with my voice recorder. Even when I do, I've had it fail on me tons of times. Usually it's cause I'm a bonehead and forget to check the batteries first, but still the point is still valid. Practically before every pass I work, I jot down who I am (yes, I stumble over my own call sign sometimes...) where I'm at (especially useful if I'm somewhere other than home) the bird I'm working, the date, and the AOS and LOS times of the upcoming pass. That basically leaves me with callsign and grid, as the only two important things I *have* to record after each QSO. For bonus points, if I've got a sked with someone (the horror!) I'll pre-jot their callsign and grid down, and usually write 'Q' or put a check or something next to it when we've made the contact. Now, this DOES require a hand to write, but you've got the notepad on that fixed place you put your radio, so it should be a simple pen pick up, notate, and set back down... right? :D
5. Ditch the tripod, hold the antenna. This one I know will draw fire from some, but as an exclusively portable operator, I stand by it. The nerves transmit a signal to the muscles in a normal human's arm somewhere in the range of 200-220mph. This is a faster reaction time than any rotor I'm aware of, and it allows you to make hundreds (or thousands if you ever watch how twitchy I am) of corrections during a single pass. Do it enough, and you'll completely forget you're even moving the antenna, following its arc across the sky, and constantly twisting it for the best signal. Your ears will hear how strong the bird should be, and your arm will just react. I can't explain why or how, but it just will. In the month or so I used a tripod, I never got the hang of moving the Arrow, going back to transmitting, and remembering to move it again. A few weeks of holding my arrow and letting my ears be my guide, and it was like a 6th sense. And, as I mentioned to Sean KX9X recently after his roadtrip, holding an arrow for multiple passes for a couple straight weeks in a row, will make you a great arm wrestler.
6. Develop a system. This one kind of goes with the last two, but figure out how you want it all to go together, and get comfortable with it. Whether you're in the backyard, or on a mountain, set things up the same way, every time, and be able to do everything by reaction, instead of thinking about it. For example, I always setup so the bird I'm working will apex directly to the left of where I'm standing. I always hold my arrow in my left hand. My right hand does the radio manipulation, and quick note jotting. My right foot is always on the pedal. I always have my notepad immediately to the right of my radio. I have the radio at exactly the height level, and high enough I don't have to bend over. I color coded all my coax cables, I memorized where the step and channel lock buttons are, and can find them by feel. Working a pass anymore is just a reaction, I don't even really have to think about anything, I just set my phone on compass mode, watch the clock, and go.
So this turned into a Novel, but I hope there's some good info she can use. I am an exclusively portable satellite operator, and plan to be for some time. I've ran into all these problems, and like to have think I've solved them. I also plan to pick your brain in about 8 years on how to teach my little girl, who (at 4 months old) really wants to figure out where those voices in the speaker of my 857 are coming from, effective ways to work the birds herself.
73!
-Dave, KG5CCI
On 8/24/2015 8:23 PM, James Lea - WX4TV wrote:
She used to use a tripod and will probably use it again in the future. This worked very well, but she wanted to try another way. I believe that kids learn by making mistakes. Trying to hand hold the antenna and radios is a mistake! She will learn.
The big issue with writing call signs for her is that she is still learning to write. Remember, she is a very young kid. As her writing improves, she will be able to do the paper method. All in time.
Thanks and 73,
James
On Aug 24, 2015, at 8:55 PM, Scott Richardson scott.xot@gmail.com wrote:
wasn’t able to write down the callsign while holding two radios and an antenna.
When I started out, it took me only one or two passes to realize I needed a tripod. I know I'm not the only one to have cobbled together a frame that mounts on a tripod and holds the antenna, two radios, a timepiece, and operating aids. Seven years later, this system is still working great.
Call me old fashioned, but a pad and pencil are indispensable for my operations. I usually note several callsigns and grid squares before making any calls, and if someone not on my list calls me, I'm quick to write their call down. This method requires no extra wires and no batteries, while creating a record that's easy to reference both during and after the pass. It's a rare occasion that I want to listen to an SO-50 pass again after getting through it "live."
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Dave Swanson -
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Egon -
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Gus -
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Jeff Moore -
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John Brier -
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KO6TZ Bob -
Mvivona -
Paul Stoetzer -
Scott Richardson -
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