Has anyone removed the duplexer and its coax and replaced it with one coax cable to VHF, and one coax cable to UHF for two radio operation? If so, did you notice any improvement and what would the power rating be now without the duplexer?
I use mine that way with power up to 20 watts sometimes. I do not hold the antenna; it is on a tripod.
My brilliant friend Sawson KG6NUB uses that same configuration with something like 100 watts for what he calls "low power EME".
Other observations will no doubt be forthcoming.
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6
On Oct 12, 2015, at 22:23, W3MAT . w3mat03@gmail.com wrote:
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On 10/13/15, W3MAT . w3mat03@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone removed the duplexer and its coax and replaced it with one coax cable to VHF, and one coax cable to UHF for two radio operation?
I use mine that way for full-duplex operation with my IC-910.
If so,
did you notice any improvement and what would the power rating be now without the duplexer?
Since I hold the antenna while I'm operating, I put 5 W into it. That usually is enough to reach the satellite.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:23:27 -0400, "W3MAT ." w3mat03@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone removed the duplexer and its coax and replaced it with one coax cable to VHF, and one coax cable to UHF for two radio operation? If so, did you notice any improvement and what would the power rating be now without the duplexer?
I have done this for all SO-50 passes because I want to hear my own downlink (and record the results with a voice recorder from the downlink HT earphone out) but I didn't notice any discernible difference without the duplexer because I'm only running 5W. (Antenna is handheld.)
Arrow Antennas states that max power for the Alaskan Arrow (the type I own) without the duplexer on a tripod is 150W. (See FAQ at http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/alaskanarrow.html)
I really gotta get one of those ALASKAN Arrows.
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6
On Oct 12, 2015, at 23:02, J. Boyd (JR2TTS) the2belo@msd.biglobe.ne.jp wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:23:27 -0400, "W3MAT ." w3mat03@gmail.com wrote:
Has anyone removed the duplexer and its coax and replaced it with one coax cable to VHF, and one coax cable to UHF for two radio operation? If so, did you notice any improvement and what would the power rating be now without the duplexer?
I have done this for all SO-50 passes because I want to hear my own downlink (and record the results with a voice recorder from the downlink HT earphone out) but I didn't notice any discernible difference without the duplexer because I'm only running 5W. (Antenna is handheld.)
Arrow Antennas states that max power for the Alaskan Arrow (the type I own) without the duplexer on a tripod is 150W. (See FAQ at http://www.arrowantennas.com/arrowii/alaskanarrow.html)
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:24:32 -0700, Bryan Green bryan@kl7cn.net wrote:
I really gotta get one of those ALASKAN Arrows.
Pros: Having those extra elements makes it so much easier to lock onto a bird and reach it with less power.
Cons: It weighs as much as a baseball bat. Holding one of those things up in the air for fourteen minutes and your arms will look like Popeye the Sailor Man at LOS. You're going to need a tripod, or at least a camera monopod to brace it against the ground.
Amen. I have an Alaskan Arrow with the duplexer (and have yet to work anyone with it, but it hears pretty well). It is not for the elderly or faint of heart, at least if you plan to hold it. I tried mounting it on my camera tripod, but it was so heavy that it popped the mount right out of the holder, so I guess I need a more rugged tripod. Any suggestions? Not sure what to do with it at this point<g>. One big issue for me regarding this antenna is that the elements don't stay screwed in. I suppose I could use some Loctite, but I'd also like to be able to take it apart at some point.
Rick, WW1ME
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:24:32 -0700, Bryan Green bryan@kl7cn.net wrote:
I really gotta get one of those ALASKAN Arrows.
Pros: Having those extra elements makes it so much easier to lock onto a bird and reach it with less power.
Cons: It weighs as much as a baseball bat. Holding one of those things up in the air for fourteen minutes and your arms will look like Popeye the Sailor Man at LOS. You're going to need a tripod, or at least a camera monopod to brace it against the ground.
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On Oct 16, 2015 9:08 AM, "Rick Lindquist, WW1ME" ww1me@roadrunner.com wrote:
One big issue for me regarding this antenna is that the elements don't stay screwed in. I suppose I could use some Loctite, but I'd also like to be able to take it apart at some point.
Rick, I use beeswax on threads that need a little help. It provides enough extra friction that they never come loose, but are still easy to undo by hand.
Dan, AD0CQ
I ordered my Arrow Antenna without the duplexer, so I've always used it with two separate coaxes and two radios. I use a simple digital recorder to record the QSOs. My experience, so far, is limited to SO-50, but the set-up works just fine for that satellite.
Steve AI9IN
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Has anyone removed the duplexer and its coax and replaced it with one coax cable to VHF, and one coax cable to UHF for two radio operation? If so, did you notice any improvement and what would the power rating be now without the duplexer? _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
My experience with the duplexer is: I looked at my Arrow on my antenna analyzer without the duplexer. After some tuning I got a pretty good dip at 146 and 436 MHz. With the duplexer attached the tuning went way off. I tried, but couldn't even get it close with it installed. I use mine with my ICom 910. One coax per band. The antenna is on a sturdy camera tripod with two Arrow dualband yagis. I have each antenna connected to a small BNC coax switch so I can remotely switch polarization as needed. At the antenna there is a preamp for each band with power for the preamps being fed through the coax. For a rotor I simply use a large RC robot style geared servo for AZ being that this is just a temporary out the back door setup. For EL I just walk out and set the EL on the tripod before the bird comes over. With this setup I usually use about 5 to 10 watts on VHF depending on the bird and elevation. On UHF I sometimes need a little more power due to the attenuation in the coax which is about 50 ft long.
Michael KC4ZVA Sent from my iPad
On Oct 13, 2015, at 7:54 AM, Steve Kristoff skristof@etczone.net wrote:
I ordered my Arrow Antenna without the duplexer, so I've always used it with two separate coaxes and two radios. I use a simple digital recorder to record the QSOs. My experience, so far, is limited to SO-50, but the set-up works just fine for that satellite.
Steve AI9IN
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Has anyone removed the duplexer and its coax and replaced it with one coax cable to VHF, and one coax cable to UHF for two radio operation? If so, did you notice any improvement and what would the power rating be now without the duplexer? _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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