Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
Intrigued! I'll share this with the local microwave contesting group (San Diego/LA) and try and get you some feedback.
I'm in favor of any increase in microwave band contests.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:51 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Interesting. I'll also spread it to a few lists. The VHF Superconference 2 is happening soon and may be a good place to talk about this.
73, Sean WA1TE
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 00:29 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Intrigued! I'll share this with the local microwave contesting group (San Diego/LA) and try and get you some feedback.
I'm in favor of any increase in microwave band contests.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:51 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost
in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more
of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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The concept is sound, the approach is somewhat flawed in that VHF/UHF is not HF. "ARRL.ORG" should re-read that last sentence, as historically, they have treated it similarly with less-than-optimal result. One example: DXCC requires 100 entities without regard to band. VUCC's requirements are "weighted" by band. Example: VUCC on 10 GHz lacks much challenge.
A multi-band VUCC may be an interesting concept. I ask that "ARRL.ORG" think this through before just duplicating it for VHF/UHF.
As for "This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art." I would suggest that it does not as single-band VUCC's already exist for every VHF+ band with little impact. HOWEVER...the following changes would do so: 1. Change the LIMITED MULTI-OP category to be limited in the number of operators, not the number of bands. 2. Change the FM ONLY category to include ALL bands, not just ABCD. 3. Eliminate the SINGLE OPERATOR, 3-BAND category 4. Change the ROVER, LIMITED category to be limited to a SINGLE operator and driver rather than limited to the "bottom 4" bands.
I find it odd that the ARRL asks for support to a "Spectrum Defense" fund while limiting spectrum use in their own events.
Ev, W2EV
On Monday, April 22, 2019, 12:37:12 AM EDT, Sean Waite waisean@gmail.com [OntVHFAssoc_reflector] OntVHFAssoc_reflector-noreply@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:51 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat..org> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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If this were to be implemented, "Satellite" should count as one of the band choices for a 5-Band VUCC.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM Sean Waite via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Interesting. I'll also spread it to a few lists. The VHF Superconference 2 is happening soon and may be a good place to talk about this.
73, Sean WA1TE
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 00:29 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Intrigued! I'll share this with the local microwave contesting group (San Diego/LA) and try and get you some feedback.
I'm in favor of any increase in microwave band contests.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:51 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost
in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more
of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Good idea Paul.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:14 AM Paul Stoetzer via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If this were to be implemented, "Satellite" should count as one of the band choices for a 5-Band VUCC.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:55 AM Sean Waite via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Interesting. I'll also spread it to a few lists. The VHF Superconference 2 is happening soon and may be a good place to talk about this.
73, Sean WA1TE
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 00:29 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Intrigued! I'll share this with the local microwave contesting group (San Diego/LA) and try and get you some feedback.
I'm in favor of any increase in microwave band contests.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:51 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost
in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more
of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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There is an ongoing effort to formalize a 5 band VHF/UHF WAC.
Obviously, microwave WAC would require EME.
I have a personal goal of completing VUCC and WAC on all bands 50 MHz and above.
I would apply for any 5 Band Certificate is available.
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:57 AM Sean Waite via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Interesting. I'll also spread it to a few lists. The VHF Superconference 2 is happening soon and may be a good place to talk about this.
73, Sean WA1TE
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 00:29 Michelle Thompson via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Intrigued! I'll share this with the local microwave contesting group (San Diego/LA) and try and get you some feedback.
I'm in favor of any increase in microwave band contests.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:51 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost
in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more
of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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I’d personally be much more interested if there was a similar award for rovers. I think a lot of the work rovers do is overlooked while the guys who sit at home are “honored”.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH the insane guy who flies a Cessna 150 around Alaska and driven about 80,000 miles in three years to activate grids
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:50 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Gabe,
Excellent, and I mean excellent point. It’s high time the ARRL did something to recognize rovers when it comes to VUCC.
BTW, I need Alaska on satellite! :-)
Thanks for all the roving you do. Those of us at home are grateful more than you can know.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 12:18 AM, Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
I’d personally be much more interested if there was a similar award for rovers. I think a lot of the work rovers do is overlooked while the guys who sit at home are “honored”.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH the insane guy who flies a Cessna 150 around Alaska and driven about 80,000 miles in three years to activate grids
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:50 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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+1 from me for the ARRL-sponsored roving awards -- Reverse VUCC, for instance, or a Activated Grids award similar to VUCC with a starting point of, say, 5 grids with stickers every 5 after leading up to VUCC/R. It would also be nice for there to be a Satellite 488 sponsored by the league.
Well done on the concept!
-- bag
Bryan KL7CN/W6 Location: CM98, usually E-Mail: bryan@KL7CN.net Telephone/SMS: 408-836-7279
On Apr 21, 2019, at 23:10, Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Gabe,
Excellent, and I mean excellent point. It’s high time the ARRL did something to recognize rovers when it comes to VUCC.
BTW, I need Alaska on satellite! :-)
Thanks for all the roving you do. Those of us at home are grateful more than you can know.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 12:18 AM, Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
I’d personally be much more interested if there was a similar award for rovers. I think a lot of the work rovers do is overlooked while the guys who sit at home are “honored”.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH the insane guy who flies a Cessna 150 around Alaska and driven about 80,000 miles in three years to activate grids
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:50 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Les,
Central States VHF Society has the Reverse VUCC (VUCC/r) award (http://csvhfs.org/index.php/awards-and-programs/reverse-vucc) .
Don, AC5D
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Gabe,
Excellent, and I mean excellent point. It’s high time the ARRL did something to recognize rovers when it comes to VUCC.
BTW, I need Alaska on satellite! :-)
Thanks for all the roving you do. Those of us at home are grateful more than you can know.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 12:18 AM, Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
I’d personally be much more interested if there was a similar award for rovers. I think a lot of the work rovers do is overlooked while the guys who sit at home are “honored”.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH the insane guy who flies a Cessna 150 around Alaska and driven about 80,000 miles in three years to activate grids
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:50 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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I 100% agree with Gabriel.
On satellites, rovers play a major role on the grid chasing game. They spend a lot of time and money to work from grids that are never heard over the air. Unfortunately, as of today, major organizations like the ARRL don't have an award to honor and incentivise their efforts.
As an AMSAT member and an avid satellite grid chaser (I don't operate sitting down, though), I would like to see an award for rovers before focusing on more awards for chasers.
My humble opinion...
73
Fernando, NP4JV
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 5:59 AM Gabriel Zeifman via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I’d personally be much more interested if there was a similar award for rovers. I think a lot of the work rovers do is overlooked while the guys who sit at home are “honored”.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH the insane guy who flies a Cessna 150 around Alaska and driven about 80,000 miles in three years to activate grids
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:50 PM Les Rayburn via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost
in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more
of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I would certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
VHF mailing list VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I would certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The idea is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know about the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to get him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I would certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The idea is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know about the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to get him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I would certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been around for years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you on one of our “repeater like” satellites?
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Hi Gabe,
Please don't think I am am anti satellite,
I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up and 10 down, etc.
What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same award...
ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc and UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc
Within the SAME AWARD!
It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and Oranges IE: Not the same animal.
Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on my point!
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been around for years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you on one of our “repeater like” satellites?
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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I don’t like the idea of them being in the same award, I don’t see why they couldn’t be considered another band. I see satellites as different but equal. I’ve done a bit of 2m/70cm roving during contests, but I definitely wouldn’t consider myself qualified to talk about the intricacies of it. Same with working AO-10/13 decades ago. Not all satellite QSOs are comparable to throwing an antenna on a tripod and parking it there for hours and working the world on a HEO sat. While it’s incredibly easy to work an FM sat overhead, a monkey could do it on a baofeng blindfolded, it’s equally easy to work a simplex QSO over a few miles. All domains have their areas of difficulty, and what I personally enjoy in satellites is the short windows at or below the horizon, where a theoretical window may not even exist or where it’s there for a matter of seconds. Over the three years I’ve been licensed, I’ve activated 417 grids and 28 DXCCs on satellites, flying my little plane around Alaska and driving over 80,000 miles for it, so don’t underestimate the efforts and the costs rovers go through to put grids on the air on satellites. And we don’t even have contests. Making contacts beyond the maximum theoretical range of a satellite is no easy feat. So go ahead and say we’re different, we sure are, but don’t say we aren’t worthy.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:28 PM K7XC Tim Marek k7xcnv1@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Gabe,
Please don't think I am am anti satellite,
I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up and 10 down, etc.
What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same award...
ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc and UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc
Within the SAME AWARD!
It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and Oranges IE: Not the same animal.
Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on my point!
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been around for years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you on one of our “repeater like” satellites?
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
12
hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
supports
this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
our
representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
> Lady & Gentlemen, > > Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone on
> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
> cyberspace. > > In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award. > > Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special > certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients. > > My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the
sale of
more
> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
> the state of the radio art. > > Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
> your service to the hobby. > > > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > 121 Mayfair Park
https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gmail&source=g
https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gmail&source=g>
Maylene, AL 35114
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Long live Harambe!
With that said, Gabe is correct. I and my daughter keep three local grids active but could only hope to aspire to the grids that others put on the air. There definitely should be an award for that.
If anyone ever needs EM61/62/72, feel free to reach out to me. If you ever need exotic grids, you’ll need to reach out to those like Gabe and those in his class of roving. 73!
Jeff WE4B
On Apr 22, 2019, at 3:46 PM, Gabriel Zeifman via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I don’t like the idea of them being in the same award, I don’t see why they couldn’t be considered another band. I see satellites as different but equal. I’ve done a bit of 2m/70cm roving during contests, but I definitely wouldn’t consider myself qualified to talk about the intricacies of it. Same with working AO-10/13 decades ago. Not all satellite QSOs are comparable to throwing an antenna on a tripod and parking it there for hours and working the world on a HEO sat. While it’s incredibly easy to work an FM sat overhead, a monkey could do it on a baofeng blindfolded, it’s equally easy to work a simplex QSO over a few miles. All domains have their areas of difficulty, and what I personally enjoy in satellites is the short windows at or below the horizon, where a theoretical window may not even exist or where it’s there for a matter of seconds. Over the three years I’ve been licensed, I’ve activated 417 grids and 28 DXCCs on satellites, flying my little plane around Alaska and driving over 80,000 miles for it, so don’t underestimate the efforts and the costs rovers go through to put grids on the air on satellites. And we don’t even have contests. Making contacts beyond the maximum theoretical range of a satellite is no easy feat. So go ahead and say we’re different, we sure are, but don’t say we aren’t worthy.
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 12:28 PM K7XC Tim Marek k7xcnv1@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Gabe,
Please don't think I am am anti satellite,
I was active for years on AO-10 and AO-13 and the Russian LEO birds of 2up and 10 down, etc.
What I am Against is an Award that allows credits from both in the same award...
ASSISTED QSOs IE: Satellites, Repeaters, Etc and UNASSISTED QSOs IE: Tropo, Es, MS, EME, etc
Within the SAME AWARD!
It makes no sense to mix the two in one award as they are Apple and Oranges IE: Not the same animal.
Weather I have made any recent Satellite contacts or not has no bearing on my point!
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh.. sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 8:08 PM Gabriel Zeifman gabrielzeifman@gmail.com wrote:
This is an intriguing observation, considering satellite VUCC has been around for years. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you on one of our “repeater like” satellites?
73, Gabe AL6D/VE6NJH
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 11:55 AM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
12
hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
supports
this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
our
representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: > > Hello Les, > That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
> certainly work towards that end. > Dave > N9HF > el99 > > "Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more. > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
> wrote: > >> Lady & Gentlemen, >> >> Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone on
>> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
>> cyberspace. >> >> In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
>> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
>> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award. >> >> Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
>> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special >> certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients. >> >> My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
>> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
>> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the
sale of
more
>> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
>> the state of the radio art. >> >> Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
>> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
>> your service to the hobby. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Les Rayburn, N1LF >> 121 Mayfair Park
https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gmail&source=g
https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gmail&source=g>
> Maylene, AL 35114
https://maps.google.com/?q=121+Mayfair+Park+%0D%0A+Maylene,+AL+35114&entry=gmail&source=g
>> EM63nf >> AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> VHF mailing list >> VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu >> https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
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With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
are
NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
and
encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com
wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
12
hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
supports
this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
our
representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone
on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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President of W2SZ (not /1) here, Logbook of the World says we have all of them except Fred Fish, 222, and 2G, but my guess is we got those long enough ago that they aren't on LOTW.
73, Galen Gold KB6EE
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 17:13, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
are
NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
and
encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com
wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
12
hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
supports
this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
our
representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
> Lady & Gentlemen, > > Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone
on
> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
> cyberspace. > > In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award. > > Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special > certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients. > > My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
> the state of the radio art. > > Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
> your service to the hobby. > > > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > 121 Mayfair Park > Maylene, AL 35114 > EM63nf > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member > > > > > _______________________________________________ > VHF mailing list > VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
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To my knowledge no U.S. amateur has earned VUCC for laser (light) contacts. Last time I checked, both award recipients were Mexican hams.
Earning all of them would be quite the challenge (and virtually impossible from a home QTH)
I fully support a VUCC award for Rovers, administered by the ARRL. But everyone should be aware that would require considerably more programming changes to LoTW. These are not trivial factors.
Lastly, I completely disagree for anyone who disparages satellite operation for VUCC, or digital modes. This has been discussed at length and resolved long ago.
There has long been a VHF/UHF Century Club Award for Satellites, and earning it should count towards 5BVUCC.
The skills required for digital modes and satellites are different than those required for other modes—but they are legitimate skills. Just as the skills required for success on microwaves is very different than the skills needed for 2 Meters.
Discussions about what is or is not more legitimate are fruitless and distract us from what should be common goals. More activity on VHF/UHF is a good thing. I’ve enjoyed learning about all of it. Hope to keep learning as I explore EME and optical communications.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 4:13 PM, John Geiger af5cc2@gmail.com wrote:
Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote: With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn <les@highnoonfilm.com mailto:les@highnoonfilm.com> wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier <johnbrier@gmail.com mailto:johnbrier@gmail.com> wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org>> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu <mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>>
wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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I fully support a VUCC award for Rovers, administered by the ARRL. But everyone should be aware that would require considerably more programming changes to LoTW. These are not trivial factors.
I’m curious why this would mean considerable programming changes unless there’s something inherently wrong with LoTW. It literally takes me <10 lines of code to come up with a list of all squares someone has operated from by parsing the ADIF output from a LoTW query, this becomes a one liner with “SELECT DISTINCT” when you have direct access to the DB.
TBH, it seems more like ARRL not keeping up with the times. Roving is more popular than ever and they didn’t even have the foresight to create such an award during the great grid challenge.
The ARRL, where you can get credit for working an op at a specific building or pile of rocks in the ocean but zilch for actually going to those places. And yes that’s part of why all of those “we want you back!” emails get sent to the bit bucket.
73, Mike Diehl W8LID/VE6LID
Mike,
I’m not a programmer, so I can’t speak to the technical details. I do know that the demands on the LoTW staff are considerable—including routine maintenance, programming changes to support additional awards, server maintenance, etc.
There are also administrative requirements for new awards that include printing, mailing, record keeping, etc. With a limited staff, these considerations are also a factor.
That said, I fully support a VHF/UHF Century Club “Rover” Award from the AARL. Anything that incentivizes and rewards rovers is a great idea. All of us benefit from rovers, and they make contests more exciting too.
With any organization (or proposal) there will always be things that we might like to change—but you can’t change an organization from the outside. Only by being a member, and being active can you affect change.
Wish I had your programming skills. I have trouble keeping my own log straight! :-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 5:47 PM, Mike Diehl diehl.mike.a@gmail.com wrote:
I fully support a VUCC award for Rovers, administered by the ARRL. But everyone should be aware that would require considerably more programming changes to LoTW. These are not trivial factors.
I’m curious why this would mean considerable programming changes unless there’s something inherently wrong with LoTW. It literally takes me <10 lines of code to come up with a list of all squares someone has operated from by parsing the ADIF output from a LoTW query, this becomes a one liner with “SELECT DISTINCT” when you have direct access to the DB.
TBH, it seems more like ARRL not keeping up with the times. Roving is more popular than ever and they didn’t even have the foresight to create such an award during the great grid challenge.
The ARRL, where you can get credit for working an op at a specific building or pile of rocks in the ocean but zilch for actually going to those places. And yes that’s part of why all of those “we want you back!” emails get sent to the bit bucket.
73, Mike Diehl W8LID/VE6LID
I have completed WAS on 11 bands. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:14 PM John Geiger via VHF vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu wrote:
Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite
is
just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing
something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
are
NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non
Terrestrial
contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds
No
Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
and
encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com
wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
12
hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
supports
this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
our
representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need
to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com
wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct
contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
> Lady & Gentlemen, > > Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone
on
> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one
was
lost in
> cyberspace. > > In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award. > > Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five
or
more of
> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special > certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients. > > My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the
sale
of
more
> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
> the state of the radio art. > > Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what
I
could
> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
> your service to the hobby. > > > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > 121 Mayfair Park > Maylene, AL 35114 > EM63nf > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member > > > > > _______________________________________________ > VHF mailing list > VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
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I could be wrong, but I believe Brian, WA1ZMS, holds VUCC on ALL bands through 241 GHz, and has since 2012 (?). Having said that, there was a band changs a few years back... I don't know if he's gotten VUCC on the "new" band now that the original band is no longer part of our allocations. (From the east coast, not western mountains, too!)
A remarkable effort !
73 Donn WA2VOI/0
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Geiger via VHF" vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu To: "Paul Andrews" w2hro.fn20@gmail.com Cc: "amsat-bb" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org; "K7XC Tim Marek" k7xcnv1@gmail.com; "VHF Reflector" VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu; vhfcontesting@contesting.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [VHF] [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] 5 Band VUCC Award
Probably W2SZ/1, except for the satellite VUCC.
73 John AF5CC
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs
are
NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs
and
encourage others to do as well.
73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09jh... sk
Adapt, Overcome, Succeed!
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com
wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than
12
hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who
supports
this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as
our
representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
"Back in my day" doesn't have a place in ham radio any more.
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:vhf@w6yx.stanford.edu>
wrote:
> Lady & Gentlemen, > > Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from
anyone
on
> the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
> cyberspace. > > In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM,
I’d
like
> to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
> closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award. > > Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
> the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special > certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients. > > My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on
the
> VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222,
1296,
and
> higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
> gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
> the state of the radio art. > > Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
> do to help support the creation of the new award. As always,
grateful
for
> your service to the hobby. > > > > 73, > > Les Rayburn, N1LF > 121 Mayfair Park > Maylene, AL 35114 > EM63nf > AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member > > > > > _______________________________________________ > VHF mailing list > VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu mailto:VHF@w6yx.stanford.edu > https://w6yx.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/vhf <
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________________________________ From: AMSAT-BB amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org on behalf of Paul Andrews via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 3:23:47 PM To: K7XC Tim Marek Cc: amsat-bb; Les Rayburn; VHF Reflector; vhfcontesting@contesting.com Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] [VHFcontesting] [VHF] 5 Band VUCC Award
With regards to 5 Band VUCC. I think that satellite VUCC (100 QSOs) is just another band. (more accurate - Sat is a mode)
The ARRL identifies 10 VUCC bands between 50 MHz and 10 GHz. Satellite is just the 11th VUCC band.
Complete VUCC in any 5 bands and earn the 5BVUCC. Am I missing something?
Has anyone completed VUCC in all 11 bands?
73 - Paul - W2HRO
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:58 PM K7XC Tim Marek via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
A 5 Band VUCC award sound interesting. Would it allow existing VUCC contacts already in LOTW to be used for credit or require all New & Separate ones?
Currently the existing VUCC rules however state that Repeater Like QSOs are NOT allowed, and that means NO Satellites!
I agree with the rules as written and cant support adding Non Terrestrial contacts to a Terrestrial award!
If we allow this to happen it muddies the waters from that point on, disrespecting everyone who in the past worked their butts off to accomplish something not easy to do. The fact it was hard made the goal worth chasing. The argument its too hard and discourages others Holds No Water. If you want something bad enough you will do whats needed to get it.
I reject your proposal to include Satellite QSOs with Terrestrial QSOs and encourage others to do as well.
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 3:32 PM Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
John,
My proposal would allow “Satellite VUCC” to count towards 5BVUCC. The
idea
is to allow the ARRL to create the new award with minimal programming changes needed to LoTW and minimal cost to implement.
So far, this suggestion has netted over 40 replies to me in less than 12 hours. Response has been very positive. I would urge anyone who supports this effort to contact their ARRL Section Managers and let them know
about
the idea—and that you’d like to see it implemented.
In the Southeast Section, we’re lucky to have Greg Sarratt, W4OZK as our representative. Greg is active on VHF/UHF weak signal already. Need to
get
him on the satellites more though!
:-)
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 8:11 AM, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Would this proposed 5 band VUCC allow satellite and direct contacts?
On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 9:01 AM David Kerl via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Hello Les, That should generate some incentive for more V/U/uwave activity. I
would
certainly work towards that end. Dave N9HF el99
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On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 10:50 PM Les Rayburn via VHF <
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wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone
on
the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was
lost in
cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d
like
to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that
would
closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or
more of
the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296,
and
higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale
of
more
gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and
advances
the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I
could
do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful
for
your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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Hello Les,
I just read all the emails sent today and now we have some good information from folks from all around the US. I like this idea. I am on the ARRL Programs and Services Committee and will bring it to the committee for review.
Thank you for bringing this up to help increase activity and I appreciate everyone submitting comments.
73, Greg Sarratt, W4OZK
On Apr 21, 2019, at 9:50 PM, Les Rayburn les@highnoonfilm.com wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
Greg,
Always good to hear from you, my friend. Been too long since we’ve had an eyeball QSO.
Reading the mail on this proposal, it’s clear that there is also considerable interest and support for a VUCC “Rover” award—something that I believe would also generate more activity.
With any proposal, I try to keep it mind how much programming will be required to implement it in terms of administration, and/or programming in LoTW. I understand those considerations are not trivial—alas, I’m not sure everyone gets that. :-)
Thank you for supporting the idea, and taking it to the Programs and Services Committee for consideration. Please let me know if I can do anything to support the effort. I’ll look forward to seeing how it’s viewed by the Committee and the Board.
Also appreciate all that you do for the hobby. I have some appreciation for how much of your time it consumes. I’m sure you’d rather be operating and enjoying the hobby sometimes. It does not go unnoticed or unappreciated.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF Maylene, AL EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
On Apr 22, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Greg Sarratt gsarratt@att.net wrote:
Hello Les,
I just read all the emails sent today and now we have some good information from folks from all around the US. I like this idea. I am on the ARRL Programs and Services Committee and will bring it to the committee for review.
Thank you for bringing this up to help increase activity and I appreciate everyone submitting comments.
73, Greg Sarratt, W4OZK
On Apr 21, 2019, at 9:50 PM, Les Rayburn <les@highnoonfilm.com mailto:les@highnoonfilm.com> wrote:
Lady & Gentlemen,
Not certain if my earlier message was received. No reply from anyone on the distribution list. Here it is again, in case the first one was lost in cyberspace.
In an effort to stimulate activity on VHF/UHF bands beyond 70 CM, I’d like to suggest the creation of a Five Band VUCC (5B VUCC) award that would closely mirror the 5 Band DXCC Award.
Successful applicants would need to achieve VUCC status on five or more of the VHF/UHF bands to be eligible for the larger award. A special certificate and pin could be created to honor recipients.
My feeling is that this award would encourage greater activity on the VHF/UHF bands, especially on bands that have less use like 222, 1296, and higher microwave bands. This increased activity encourages the sale of more gear, helps protect our spectrum from commercial interests, and advances the state of the radio art.
Please let me know if you think this idea has any merit, or what I could do to help support the creation of the new award. As always, grateful for your service to the hobby.
73,
Les Rayburn, N1LF 121 Mayfair Park Maylene, AL 35114 EM63nf AMSAT #38965, ARRL Life Member, CVHS Life Member, SVHF Member
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David Kerl -
Donald M. Ross -
Ev Tupis -
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Gabriel Zeifman -
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Greg Sarratt -
Jeff Johns -
John Brier -
John Geiger -
K7XC Tim Marek -
Les Rayburn -
Michelle Thompson -
Mike Diehl -
Paul Andrews -
Paul Stoetzer -
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