Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
David,
Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on another frequency band. They are not duplex as a rule.
Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite band. If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will Rx on the downlink band. I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio.
The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex).
------------- I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex by: 1. Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band 2. Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter) I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode UV or VU; either will output up to 25w.
Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital operation. Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for eme.
The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios. Haven't gotten into that, yet.
73, Ed - KL7UW Not currently QRV for satellite.
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500 From: "David" dwarnberg@verizon.net To: "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio Message-ID: 00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving,
Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a FLEX-6000 series rig? I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the conversation on how do you have everything setup? I had a 9100 and could do full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will)
Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set one up before..
Thanks David
73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com "Kits made by KL7UW" Dubus Mag business: dubususa@gmail.com
There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very issue right now. Sounds like all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite operation rig.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole <Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:09 PM <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio < <David, < <Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on <another frequency band. They are not duplex as a rule. < <Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on <two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using <two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite <band. If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will <Rx on the downlink band. I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio. < <The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex <radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers <but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex). < <------------- <I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex by: <1. Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band <2. Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter) <I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode <UV or VU; either will output up to 25w. < <Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital <operation. Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to <use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for eme. < <The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios. Haven't <gotten into that, yet. < <73, Ed - KL7UW <Not currently QRV for satellite. < <Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500 <From: "David" dwarnberg@verizon.net <To: "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio <Message-ID: 00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net <Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" < <Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving, < < Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a <FLEX-6000 series rig? I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my <first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the <conversation on how do you have everything setup? I had a 9100 and could do <full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the <same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will) < < Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set one <up before.. < <Thanks <David < < <73, Ed - KL7UW <http://www.kl7uw.com < "Kits made by KL7UW" <Dubus Mag business: < dubususa@gmail.com < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Am I having a senior moment or didn't Flex at one time have a full duplex sat op compatible system with their 5000 series some years ago? I'm building my station up here in my winter home in Florida and would love to have a Flex solution to my full duplex sat op needs...
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:49 PM To: 'Edward R Cole' ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio
There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very issue right now. Sounds like all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite operation rig.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole <Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:09 PM <To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio < <David, < <Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on <another frequency band. They are not duplex as a rule. < <Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on <two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using <two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite <band. If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will <Rx on the downlink band. I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio. < <The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex <radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers <but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex). < <------------- <I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex by: <1. Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band <2. Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter) <I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode <UV or VU; either will output up to 25w. < <Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital <operation. Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to <use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for eme. < <The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios. Haven't <gotten into that, yet. < <73, Ed - KL7UW <Not currently QRV for satellite. < <Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500 <From: "David" dwarnberg@verizon.net <To: "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio <Message-ID: 00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net <Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" < <Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving, < < Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a <FLEX-6000 series rig? I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my <first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the <conversation on how do you have everything setup? I had a 9100 and could do <full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the <same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will) < < Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set one <up before.. < <Thanks <David < < <73, Ed - KL7UW <http://www.kl7uw.com < "Kits made by KL7UW" <Dubus Mag business: < dubususa@gmail.com < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Jeff,
You are thinking of the Flex VU5K. Basically the 5000 with 2 meters and 70 cms integral. A very nice rig, though there are a few loose ends and some features such as a digital FM mode were never delivered. The hardware is very flexible, and you can add external equipment such as mode-L and mode-S without the interfacing issues common with other rigs. They come up for sale around $2500, and are in my opinion well worth having.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff <Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:19 PM <To: Amsat amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio < <Am I having a senior moment or didn't Flex at one time have a full duplex <sat op compatible system with their 5000 series some years ago? I'm <building my station up here in my winter home in Florida and would love to <have a Flex solution to my full duplex sat op needs... < <73 Jeff kb2m < <-----Original Message----- <From: Alan <Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:49 PM <To: 'Edward R Cole' ; amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio < <There is a lively discussion on the Flex Community forum about this very <issue right now. Sounds like <all the pieces are close, but not quite there, for a convenient satellite <operation rig. < <73s, < <Alan <WA4SCA < < < < <<-----Original Message----- <<From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Edward R <Cole <<Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:09 PM <<To: amsat-bb@amsat.org <<Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio << <<David, << <<Transverters are merely used to allow you to operate a radio on <<another frequency band. They are not duplex as a rule. << <<Since satellite operation is cross-band duplex and not duplexing on <<two separate frequencies in a single band, you probably will be using <<two transverters if the radio does not operate either satellite <<band. If so, then one will Tx on the uplink band and the other will <<Rx on the downlink band. I assume the FLEX-6000 is a HF/6m radio. << <<The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex <<radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers <<but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex). << <<------------- <<I own Elecraft radios and will eventually set up for full cross-band duplex <by: <<1. Tx on my K3+DEMI 28/432 xvtr in the 435-437 band <<2. Rx on my KX3-2M (KX3 with internal 2m transverter) <<I can reverse which Rx and which Tx, so able to operate either mode <<UV or VU; either will output up to 25w. << <<Both radios are multi-mode permitting CW/SSB/FM/digital <<operation. Only caveat is 9600-baud data which will require me to <<use my SDR-IQ or the K3 IF output to separate SDR which I already use for <eme. << <<The biggest hurdle will be Frequency control of two radios. Haven't <<gotten into that, yet. << <<73, Ed - KL7UW <<Not currently QRV for satellite. << <<Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 08:33:49 -0500 <<From: "David" dwarnberg@verizon.net <<To: "'AMSAT BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org <<Subject: [amsat-bb] SAT work with FLEX radio <<Message-ID: 00f301d12785$edb794a0$c926bde0$@net <<Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" << <<Hi all and Happy Thanksgiving, << << Question.. how many of you are doing SAT work with a <<FLEX-6000 series rig? I'm in the processes of pursuing just that, got my <<first Transverter to build, while I'm waiting figured I'd start the <<conversation on how do you have everything setup? I had a 9100 and could <do <<full duplex and am wondering if the FLEX with transverters will allow the <<same full duplex operation (I'm assuming it will) << << Keep in mind here I am new to this transverter thing and have never set <one <<up before.. << <<Thanks <<David << << <<73, Ed - KL7UW <<http://www.kl7uw.com << "Kits made by KL7UW" <<Dubus Mag business: << dubususa@gmail.com << <<_______________________________________________ <<Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <<to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <<are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <AMSAT-NA. <<Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <<Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb < < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions <expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb < <_______________________________________________ <Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available <to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed <are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. <Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! <Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Edward Cole said "The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex)."
With respect, Sir, this is not accurate. I have a Flex 5000 with the second receiver installed, and absolutely can listen on the second receiver while transmitting on the first. It's a setting under GENERAL->RX2
Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg@arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
What Mark states is absolutely true. I use my FLEX-5000A SDR with the RX2 option for full duplex operations with external transverters. See my qrz.com page for information on my satellite equipment.
In addition, I can call CQ, monitor my CQ frequency and at the same time tune the downlink passband for other signals concurrently using the MultiRX capability of the PowerSDR software. If I wish, I can direct the CQ downlink to one ear and the other receive frequency to the other ear.
I can also view the satellite downlink's passband with the radio's panadapter.
I also use the SATPC2 tracking program for computer controlled doppler correction with my FLEX-5000A.
73, Bill NJ1H
On 11/25/2015 10:17 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:
Edward Cole said "The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex)."
With respect, Sir, this is not accurate. I have a Flex 5000 with the second receiver installed, and absolutely can listen on the second receiver while transmitting on the first. It's a setting under GENERAL->RX2
Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg@arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Ed's question remains unanswered about the 6000 series. If Flex made a fullduplex option available for the 6700 I would buy one in a minute. Recent posts were saying that a fullduplex option is being developed. Maybe the more we talk about this Flex will listen :-)
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Bordy, NJ1H Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 12:47 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FLEX-5000A Radio with RX2 Option and External Transverters Full Duplex Satellite Operation Confirmed
What Mark states is absolutely true. I use my FLEX-5000A SDR with the RX2 option for full duplex operations with external transverters. See my qrz.com page for information on my satellite equipment.
In addition, I can call CQ, monitor my CQ frequency and at the same time tune the downlink passband for other signals concurrently using the MultiRX capability of the PowerSDR software. If I wish, I can direct the CQ downlink to one ear and the other receive frequency to the other ear.
I can also view the satellite downlink's passband with the radio's panadapter.
I also use the SATPC2 tracking program for computer controlled doppler correction with my FLEX-5000A.
73, Bill NJ1H
On 11/25/2015 10:17 PM, Mark Lunday wrote:
Edward Cole said "The larger question is whether the FLEX-6000 is a duplex radio? Earlier FLEX radios were not duplex. Some had two receivers but one could not transmit while receiving (ie operate duplex)."
With respect, Sir, this is not accurate. I have a Flex 5000 with the second receiver installed, and absolutely can listen on the second receiver while transmitting on the first. It's a setting under GENERAL->RX2
Mark Lunday, WD4ELG Greensboro, NC FM06be wd4elg@arrl.net http://wd4elg.blogspot.com
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