Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the space program and amsat satellites.
Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every day. Give some new people a chance.
Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
Think for yourselves!
pat
Hi Bob et al.
A net may work in the U.S. but I doubt it would work in the E.U.
Good luck,
Dave. G1OCN AMSAT UK 5766
-----Original Message----- Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the satellite..........
Dave,
Once the K5D dx - expedition finishes, most of this problem will go away and we can get back to the regular organised chaos on AO-51 :-D All of the non-AMSAT, non-AMSAT website (and bulletin board) reading operators will magically disappear as fast as they arrived.
I tried on occasions for a Q with K5D, I was astonished to find out subsequently that during some of the passes they were actually on but you just couldn't tell, it was truly awful!
Living in AO-51's footprint has been a nightmare on the QRP repeater, I wish them well but will be glad when its over!
Regards to Carol!
David KG4ZLB/M0ZLB www.kg4zlb.com
Dave Aitch wrote:
Hi Bob et al.
A net may work in the U.S. but I doubt it would work in the E.U.
Good luck,
Dave. G1OCN AMSAT UK 5766
-----Original Message----- Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the satellite..........
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Oops sorry, hit "reply all" by mistake!
David KG4ZLB/M0ZLB www.kg4zlb.com
David - KG4ZLB/MØZLB wrote:
Dave,
Once the K5D dx - expedition finishes, most of this problem will go away and we can get back to the regular organised chaos on AO-51 :-D All of the non-AMSAT, non-AMSAT website (and bulletin board) reading operators will magically disappear as fast as they arrived.
I tried on occasions for a Q with K5D, I was astonished to find out subsequently that during some of the passes they were actually on but you just couldn't tell, it was truly awful!
Living in AO-51's footprint has been a nightmare on the QRP repeater, I wish them well but will be glad when its over!
Regards to Carol!
David KG4ZLB/M0ZLB www.kg4zlb.com
Dave Aitch wrote:
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Much the same as when in Bermuda Dave.
I still don't know who I worked, apart from yourself. Carol couldn't keep up because of the noise.
It will be a bit quieter in VP8 though.
Cheers,
Dave.
It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because cowards behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone out when they're WAY out of line.
Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur Radio that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique entrepreneurial characteristics.
You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the time, resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community WORLDWIDE.
Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... "Step off."
The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board -- technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs who worked together to make it happen.
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in orbit around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... "Step up."
Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to have military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead, if that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before, well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an insult to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good work for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my gun-sights.
I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's a choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner, accomplishing nothing.
Celebrate Ability,
Nate WY0X
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrane Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the space program and amsat satellites.
Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every day. Give some new people a chance.
Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
Think for yourselves!
pat
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Nate, Very well said. I support your comments 100%. I hope the person that you replied to is able to understand your comments.
73 Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Nate Duehr nate@natetech.com wrote:
It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because cowards behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone out when they're WAY out of line.
Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur Radio that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique entrepreneurial characteristics.
You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the time, resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community WORLDWIDE.
Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... "Step off."
The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board -- technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs who worked together to make it happen.
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in orbit around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... "Step up."
Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to have military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead, if that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before, well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an insult to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good work for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my gun-sights.
I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's a choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner, accomplishing nothing.
Celebrate Ability,
Nate WY0X
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrane Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the space program and amsat satellites.
Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every day. Give some new people a chance.
Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
Think for yourselves!
pat
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Nate, Concur, very well said...
Greg N3MVF
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Donald Jacob Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:37 PM To: Nate Duehr Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military
Nate, Very well said. I support your comments 100%. I hope the person that you replied to is able to understand your comments.
73 Don WB5EKU
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Nate Duehr nate@natetech.com wrote:
It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because
cowards
behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone out when they're WAY out of line.
Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur
Radio
that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat. The Amateur Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique entrepreneurial characteristics.
You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and personal attacks on Bob. That is, unless you're going to dedicate the time, resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community WORLDWIDE.
Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has? If not... "Step off."
The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board -- technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs who worked together to make it happen.
Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use? (Example: The Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to alleviate risks with frequency interference. This makes the Astronauts BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in
orbit
around the planet? Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that question -- since I doubt you do. If you do... "Step up."
Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to have military-related jobs. You may want to get some counseling for that. Bob never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see. Meanwhile to soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead,
if
that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before, well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an
insult
to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good
work
for Amateur Radio. They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason. Welcome to my gun-sights.
I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's
a
choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob. If you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be. Maybe you'll think before you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner, accomplishing nothing.
Celebrate Ability,
Nate WY0X
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas McGrane Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the space program and amsat satellites.
Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR radio, NOT PROFESSIONAL.
Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every day. Give some new people a chance.
Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
Think for yourselves!
pat
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Nate Duehr -
Thomas McGrane