This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess cruiser, I have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a dozen cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as ham radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not in any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
Hi Jerry,
Don't feel bad. My wife and I booked a 15 day Princess cruise out of San Francisco to Hawaii a couple of months ago. The itinerary had 4 sea days going and 4 coming back which would be great days for operating time. So three months before the cruise I started the permitting process. Got a permit from Bermuda to operate aboard in a few weeks and then after several weeks, after submitting the requested documentation (my license and authorization from Bermuda) received an email authorization from Princess Cruises permitting operation from the balcony ONLY. But I was to check in with the electronics officer once on aboard before operating. So after loading up the gear and my nifty HF and 145/435 MHz balcony antennas in a separate carry-on along with the authorization paperwork, off we went. Cleared boarding customs without a problem. The next day I requested customer service to put me in touch with the electronics officer which was done. I showed him the paperwork from Princess along with the licenses and he said he would run it by the Captain. Hours later, customer service calls the room to tell that the Captain was denying permission to operate on his ship.
Well, what made matters worse after being resigned to just receiving and after setting up the HF antenna and listening, the bands were usually hopping. I guess that big salty sea really helps antennas.
So I guess we can cross off Princess as being Amateur Radio friendly.
I do have the email address for the chap in their Santa Clarita office who is/was responsible for Amateur operations if you want to get a further read on the matter. To be sure, he got a not too friendly email from me when we returned. It went unanswered.
Bill - N6GHz
On 5/24/2017 3:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess cruiser, I have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a dozen cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as ham radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not in any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
Now THAT'S a booger too, Bill. While hams are probably not even a percent of Princess' whole business it would be nice if they would have an open mind/ear about it, unless someone(s) didn't follow rules and messed it up for the rest of us. But those things never happen...
Anyway I'll sure make a note of it on our customer satisfaction survey.
I suppose that the person I was ultimately dealing with, "Ronnie", is the guy you are referring to? While we never spoke directly, he is the one who received my requests and from which I expected the fax/response. And who dropped the bomb today. Given what the agent said that he told her in the email, I think he's quite happy being a [sorry].
Maybe I would be slightly less bummed if I hadn't bought a new HT for the trip, like you with your station setup, it's more of a kick in the butt when you've invested so much in what turns out to be a waste of time. Do you recall if the prohibited items included ham radio when you sailed? I just wonder when that got on the list...
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/24/2017 21:38, Bill wrote:
Hi Jerry,
Don't feel bad. My wife and I booked a 15 day Princess cruise out of San Francisco to Hawaii a couple of months ago. The itinerary had 4 sea days going and 4 coming back which would be great days for operating time. So three months before the cruise I started the permitting process. Got a permit from Bermuda to operate aboard in a few weeks and then after several weeks, after submitting the requested documentation (my license and authorization from Bermuda) received an email authorization from Princess Cruises permitting operation from the balcony ONLY. But I was to check in with the electronics officer once on aboard before operating. So after loading up the gear and my nifty HF and 145/435 MHz balcony antennas in a separate carry-on along with the authorization paperwork, off we went. Cleared boarding customs without a problem. The next day I requested customer service to put me in touch with the electronics officer which was done. I showed him the paperwork from Princess along with the licenses and he said he would run it by the Captain. Hours later, customer service calls the room to tell that the Captain was denying permission to operate on his ship.
Well, what made matters worse after being resigned to just receiving and after setting up the HF antenna and listening, the bands were usually hopping. I guess that big salty sea really helps antennas.
So I guess we can cross off Princess as being Amateur Radio friendly.
I do have the email address for the chap in their Santa Clarita office who is/was responsible for Amateur operations if you want to get a further read on the matter. To be sure, he got a not too friendly email from me when we returned. It went unanswered.
Bill - N6GHz
Hey Jerry,
Have you considered shipping just the necessary equipmentahead of you to some location you'll be at in Great Britain? My daughter recently shipped many thousands of dollars of makeup to a show she worked. Just had her shipment held for her at the shipping center and she had no problems picking it up. Of course, an overseas shipment in another thing.
An alternative is buying or borrowing the necessary equipment while over there. If you buy it, you can just ship it back when you return to the States.
Just some 'wild' ideas.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
On 05/24/2017 05:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess cruiser, I have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a dozen cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as ham radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not in any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
Hi Mac,
I think something like that would not quite work, visiting several ports for a day each it would still wind up being taken to the ship or perhaps I could send one to each port. The latter is a little out of my budget, though! :-) If it could be understood that I won't operate or even carry it on the ship, just in our backpack when we leave the ship to explore each port... One of these crossed my mind, I caught some of their Hamvention meeting Saturday night at the BBQ joint we ate at: https://www.ecwid.com/store/store10195853/RFinder-Android-Radio-M1DU-432mhz-... It's really a cell phone, not a ham radio, right? ;-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/24/2017 21:50, Mac A. Cody wrote:
Hey Jerry,
Have you considered shipping just the necessary equipmentahead of you to some location you'll be at in Great Britain? My daughter recently shipped many thousands of dollars of makeup to a show she worked. Just had her shipment held for her at the shipping center and she had no problems picking it up. Of course, an overseas shipment in another thing.
An alternative is buying or borrowing the necessary equipment while over there. If you buy it, you can just ship it back when you return to the States.
Just some 'wild' ideas.
73,
Mac Cody / AE5PH
Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will get policies fixed.
On 5/24/2017 4:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess cruiser, I have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a dozen cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as ham radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not in any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
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Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and then book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better treatment than this!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Lee Maisel maisel@lobo.net wrote:
Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will get policies fixed.
On 5/24/2017 4:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess cruiser, I have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a dozen cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as ham radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not in any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
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I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last year was great fun!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and then book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better treatment than this!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Lee Maisel maisel@lobo.net wrote:
Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will get policies fixed.
On 5/24/2017 4:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess cruiser, I have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a dozen cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as ham radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not in any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
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Gentlemen....without getting into a lot of detail...I can tell you that regardless of what corporate or an ships agent ashore says....the captain is the final authority. In all matters.
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last year was great fun!
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and
then
book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better treatment than this!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Lee Maisel maisel@lobo.net wrote:
Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will get policies fixed.
On 5/24/2017 4:46 PM, Jerry Buxton wrote:
This is a very interesting item. Being a multi-time Princess
cruiser, I
have requested, received permission for, and taken ham radios on a
dozen
cruises over almost two decades. Today, in following up on my unanswered request for our upcoming cruise, I was informed through our Princess travel agent that the department which handles the amateur radio requests says that there will be no more permissions given as
ham
radios have been added to the prohibited items list by Princess Security. Interestingly, FRS is not on that same list.
We had a bit of a discussion about it but of course the agent is not
in
any position to do more than handling the request to the person in charge of that, so there won't be any VP9/N0JY/MM on this cruise. To make it worse, that would also prohibit even taking the HTs along for use on land as we tour the British Isles. I am totally bummed.
Does anybody on this list work for Princess Cruises, maybe have some thoughts on this? :-)
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Good thought Paul, seem like just the thing for our national amateur radio lobby/support organization, they could present a unified bit of education/awareness information to the cruise industry for their consideration. That would seem more effective than various individual (and possibly less civil) and random contacts. Friendly customer feedback from any of us who do take a cruise is also something that would probably be noted as well.
Just as important too, is adhering to the rules. Nothing can undo any steps forward from the above actions than for one or a few hams to ignore the rules and decide that they know better or won't get caught. Actually, I wonder if something like that might be part of the reason for the change of heart that Princess had. They were clear in their permission that you could only operate from your balcony and not from any public places on the ship, I get the feeling that there might be some who weren't happy with the view/coverage they got from their side of the ship and tried to take it on their own to better that by moving to the promenade deck. Oh but it was just for a minute, they didn't get in anybody's way, there was no harm done - except you essentially broke the law on the ship. I hate to say it, but more than once I have seen a ham ignore the request or rules of a ship or a property owner. Thankfully only a couple of times, but that's two times too many.
That's not the way to educate someone about ham radio, even if you weren't in anybody's way and there was no harm done. Put it in the other perspective where you're the captain, like if I tell you you can't text or email on your cell phone at night while riding in my car unless you rig for red on your screen (this is a fact, so you know before you ride with me) and you light up the cabin with full screen brightness anyway so you can text and then check amsat-bb while we're driving because it doesn't bother you so how could it bother me, that email you read out loud to me about a cool new bird that just launched isn't going to educate or sway me that it's OK to use a cell phone in my car at night when you just wiped out my night vision. Once I throw that light out the window (with you attached or not) you can wonder and cuss why I won't give you a ride again all you want and no amount of campaigning is likely to convince me that there really is a way to use your cell phone without burning me again if I'll just forget that happened and let you try again. You obviously can't follow a rule, why should I believe that you ever will?
So actually, while ARRL assistance would be great and if it is ignorance of ham radio that has caused the rules and they are changed to allow ham radio, we all have to be ready and willing to stand behind that and any rules of the cruise line and Captain or ARRL is wasting everyone's time and their own. What say you? Let's all be sure we're good hams, and earn back their trust! :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/28/2017 20:42, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last year was great fun!
73,
Paul, N8HM
Carnival Liberty is the exception rather than the rule. And reading the screw the captain just do what you want line is typical of today's mentality in society a a whole. Perhaps the cruise line is being mean and nasty to the ham community. Many be the cruise line is ignoring the four or five hams that book a cruise versus the 3500 other passengers per departure. Perhaps the captain is ignorant of ham radio. Perhaps the captain doesn't want to hear every day from some passengers who see you waiving your arrow and talking to someone they can't see ...ooh captain there's some odd person talking to someone with a thingy they might be terrorists ... You better believe someone somewhere on a ship has made that complaint, they complain about everything else. Go ahead and ignore the lines rules and ignore the captain too. I hope he confiscates your gear and shows you the special cabin inside cabin. It's not always about money and it's not always about the minority forcing themselves onto the majority.msometimes it's about you just can't do it, for no other reason than I said so.
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On May 28, 2017, at 10:17 PM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
Good thought Paul, seem like just the thing for our national amateur radio lobby/support organization, they could present a unified bit of education/awareness information to the cruise industry for their consideration. That would seem more effective than various individual (and possibly less civil) and random contacts. Friendly customer feedback from any of us who do take a cruise is also something that would probably be noted as well.
Just as important too, is adhering to the rules. Nothing can undo any steps forward from the above actions than for one or a few hams to ignore the rules and decide that they know better or won't get caught. Actually, I wonder if something like that might be part of the reason for the change of heart that Princess had. They were clear in their permission that you could only operate from your balcony and not from any public places on the ship, I get the feeling that there might be some who weren't happy with the view/coverage they got from their side of the ship and tried to take it on their own to better that by moving to the promenade deck. Oh but it was just for a minute, they didn't get in anybody's way, there was no harm done - except you essentially broke the law on the ship. I hate to say it, but more than once I have seen a ham ignore the request or rules of a ship or a property owner. Thankfully only a couple of times, but that's two times too many.
That's not the way to educate someone about ham radio, even if you weren't in anybody's way and there was no harm done. Put it in the other perspective where you're the captain, like if I tell you you can't text or email on your cell phone at night while riding in my car unless you rig for red on your screen (this is a fact, so you know before you ride with me) and you light up the cabin with full screen brightness anyway so you can text and then check amsat-bb while we're driving because it doesn't bother you so how could it bother me, that email you read out loud to me about a cool new bird that just launched isn't going to educate or sway me that it's OK to use a cell phone in my car at night when you just wiped out my night vision. Once I throw that light out the window (with you attached or not) you can wonder and cuss why I won't give you a ride again all you want and no amount of campaigning is likely to convince me that there really is a way to use your cell phone without burning me again if I'll just forget that happened and let you try again. You obviously can't follow a rule, why should I believe that you ever will?
So actually, while ARRL assistance would be great and if it is ignorance of ham radio that has caused the rules and they are changed to allow ham radio, we all have to be ready and willing to stand behind that and any rules of the cruise line and Captain or ARRL is wasting everyone's time and their own. What say you? Let's all be sure we're good hams, and earn back their trust! :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/28/2017 20:42, Paul Stoetzer wrote: I do think a letter from the ARRL to all the cruise companies might be a good idea. Very few cruise lines allow amateur radio anymore and that's a shame. Operating from the Carnival Liberty during the AMSAT cruise last year was great fun!
73,
Paul, N8HM
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I believe that lot of the respondents are missing some facts here. The captain of the vessel controls the entire vessel. It is HIS domain and his only. He his totally, completely and utterly responsible for the ship (worth million$ of dollars) the crew, and all the passengers. He also holds a licence that if revoked, places him on the unemployment list, and blacklist. If he decides that amateur radio should not take place on his ship, DONE. Not gonna happen. He may not understand it; how to educate him? He, or one of his peers, may have had a negative experience with amateur radio. Again, ain't gonna happen. These incidents may have filtered up to the senior management where they placed a blanket rule that there would be no amateur radio on any of their vessels. Then we have another thing taking place right now in the world, terrorism. If a passenger sees someone on the promenade deck talking on the radio and they freak out, what is the captain going to do? Ban radio. Coupled with that is Homeland Security. You may not be aware how much comms from all areas have come under scrutiny with the looney tunes blowing themselves, and innocents, up. Be glad they have not curtailed amateur radio activity as they had in the past. IMHO, the real thing here is to try to find out why amateur radio has been banned. Then to move on to educate the rule makers. Booking then canceling the trip will not matter to them. That is one mosquito among legions. And may cost you a cancellation fee. =!6^( Please, let us find and deal with facts and let the emotions lie. --- Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side. GEO
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Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more than I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that) but a cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham radio thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote:
Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and then book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better treatment than this!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
Cruise lines, just like every other money-making business. relies on income from it's customers! You (especially as a RETURNING customer) have a certain amount of pull with the company, threaten to go somewhere else and (if they are SMART) they will pay close attention to that!
Can't be bothered? Neither can they! It's real simple, you are either a part of the solution or a part of the problem! Getting on a forum and complaining about a problem you are not willing to do something about is a waste of everyone's time and money.
A concerted effort by 750,000 licensed hams in the US will likely get the situation corrected, but you have to be willing to make a difference.
So why complain if you aren't willing to pursue a change?
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more than I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that) but a cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham radio thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote:
Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and
then
book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better treatment than this!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
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Jeff,
I think it's a bit unfair to play the "if you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem" card.
You're correct, businesses rely on their income but let's look at this realistically. Hams represent 0.2% of the U.S. population. Using that as a gauge I'm willing to bet that's a pretty close representation on the boat as well. Having 99.8% of your customers potentially upset with some ham and their antenna just doesn't make good business sense whether we like it or not.
Jerry just seems to be disappointed that he couldn't help the rest of us out by taking radios to places. Putting the onus on him to change it all because he isn't happy about it isn't very fair, he does enough for us already.
73,
Mike Diehl AI6GS
On May 28, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Jeff Moore tnetcenter@gmail.com wrote:
Cruise lines, just like every other money-making business. relies on income from it's customers! You (especially as a RETURNING customer) have a certain amount of pull with the company, threaten to go somewhere else and (if they are SMART) they will pay close attention to that!
Can't be bothered? Neither can they! It's real simple, you are either a part of the solution or a part of the problem! Getting on a forum and complaining about a problem you are not willing to do something about is a waste of everyone's time and money.
A concerted effort by 750,000 licensed hams in the US will likely get the situation corrected, but you have to be willing to make a difference.
So why complain if you aren't willing to pursue a change?
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
Yeahhhh, well Jeff, I certainly like ham radio a lot and maybe more than I should now and then (certain XYLs will probably attest to that) but a cruise is a cruise and so not quite enough discomfort with the ham radio thing to warrant giving up a good vacation. :-)
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/28/2017 20:40, Jeff Moore wrote: Cancel your cruise and be very specific as to why you are doing so and
then
book on a line that WILL let you bring your radios!! Hams deserve better treatment than this!
7 3 Jeff Moore -- KE7ACY
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A good idea Lee, at least others may be aware that way and not so surprised as I was.
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
On 5/28/2017 19:05, Lee Maisel wrote:
Post this to QRZ Forums. Perhaps enough pressure on Princess will get policies fixed.
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