Which one? I am looking to buy something new and have been looking at the knw 2000 and Icom. Any suggestions?
best regards, Norman
I have a Kenwood TS-2000, but was disappointed about the birdy on 436.795, which makes both SO-50 and AO-27 unusable.
Now if that doesn't bother you, the 2000 is a great radio.
However, I wanted to have a dedicated satellite radio, and I decided to go with the Icom IC-910H.
I guess it all depends. If you are looking for a radio that will do HF & VHF/UHF and satellites, and aren't too concerned about using those two birds, then go with the 2000. You can't beat it for the money.
If you want to have a rig that was designed specifically for satellite work, and if you already have an HF rig, then the 910H is for you.
There are other older radios available, but I personally like to stay with rigs that are still in production.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Norman W Osborne wrote:
Which one? I am looking to buy something new and have been looking at the knw 2000 and Icom. Any suggestions?
best regards, Norman
i am running the Yeasu FT-736R. it supports 6/2/440/1200. its the best Sat rig ever made and you can find good ones for under $600.
wf1f
--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net wrote:
From: Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver To: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:35 PM I have a Kenwood TS-2000, but was disappointed about the birdy on 436.795, which makes both SO-50 and AO-27 unusable.
Now if that doesn't bother you, the 2000 is a great radio.
However, I wanted to have a dedicated satellite radio, and I decided to go with the Icom IC-910H.
I guess it all depends. If you are looking for a radio that will do HF & VHF/UHF and satellites, and aren't too concerned about using those two birds, then go with the 2000. You can't beat it for the money.
If you want to have a rig that was designed specifically for satellite work, and if you already have an HF rig, then the 910H is for you.
There are other older radios available, but I personally like to stay with rigs that are still in production.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Norman W Osborne wrote:
Which one? I am looking to buy something new and have been
looking at the knw
2000 and Icom. Any suggestions?
best regards, Norman
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I bought my TS-2000 back in 2005, mainly for it's HF capabilities. Doing a little satellite work was just an after thought. I wouldn't trade it for any other comparable HF or satellite radio out there. If all you need is a satellite radio, then either the IC-910H (very pricey new) or a clean, used FT-736R is the ticket. Yes the TS-2000 does have a few birdies which get in the way of SO-50 and AO-27, but I can still use those birds with my old Kenwood TM-G707A FM mobile radio. It has better FM audio anyway. But, along with Satpc32, the TS-2000 is a wonder on the transponder birds. It's CAT control, trace function and the fact that it will do 100 watts on 144 and 50 watts on 435 make it a great satellite radio. Maybe not the best, but along with it's HF capabilities, a very nice overall rig.
Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999
There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't.
----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" ka1rrw@yahoo.com To: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org; "Sebastian" w4as@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
i am running the Yeasu FT-736R. it supports 6/2/440/1200. its the best Sat rig ever made and you can find good ones for under $600.
wf1f
--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net wrote:
From: Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver To: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:35 PM I have a Kenwood TS-2000, but was disappointed about the birdy on 436.795, which makes both SO-50 and AO-27 unusable.
Now if that doesn't bother you, the 2000 is a great radio.
However, I wanted to have a dedicated satellite radio, and I decided to go with the Icom IC-910H.
I guess it all depends. If you are looking for a radio that will do HF & VHF/UHF and satellites, and aren't too concerned about using those two birds, then go with the 2000. You can't beat it for the money.
If you want to have a rig that was designed specifically for satellite work, and if you already have an HF rig, then the 910H is for you.
There are other older radios available, but I personally like to stay with rigs that are still in production.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Norman W Osborne wrote:
Which one? I am looking to buy something new and have been
looking at the knw
2000 and Icom. Any suggestions?
best regards, Norman
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I too have a TS-2000x, and was a bit disappointed to find the birdies on AO-27 and SO-50.
But after some serious consideration, I came up with a very simple way to resolve the issue for about $100.00, or $200.00 if you also have a 2.4g downconverter (far cheaper than another radio :) ) that works exceptionally well. And allows me to use SatPC32 to handle all the conversions automatically.
This came to me as a result of solving my S-band issue with AO-51.
I bought the S-band downconverter for AO-40, and it was great for that, with it's UHF uplink, and S-band downlink, that downconverted to VHF.
However, when AO-51 implemented the S-band downlink, it used VHF as the Uplink. That presented quite a problem with only 1 vhf port on the TS-2000.
So I decided to solve both my problems at the same time, with a couple downconverters from Hamtronics, by using a VHF to 10 meters, and another for UHF to 10 meters.
But rather than tying one of my 2 HF ports, I used the Receive only port for HF on the 2000. That also ensures that there is never a risk of my accidently transmitting INTO the downconverter. You also have to activate that port through the menus, #18 as I recall, when you want to use it.
I created a power-point slide to try to depict the setup, but let me know if you need any further clarification on it.
I'm sure there may be far more clever ways to deal with the issue, but this works extremely well for me, and hope it will for others as well.
Walter/K5WH ...
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jim Leder Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:53 AM To: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
I bought my TS-2000 back in 2005, mainly for it's HF capabilities. Doing a little satellite work was just an after thought. I wouldn't trade it for any
other comparable HF or satellite radio out there. If all you need is a satellite radio, then either the IC-910H (very pricey new) or a clean, used FT-736R is the ticket. Yes the TS-2000 does have a few birdies which get in the way of SO-50 and AO-27, but I can still use those birds with my old Kenwood TM-G707A FM mobile radio. It has better FM audio anyway. But, along with Satpc32, the TS-2000 is a wonder on the transponder birds. It's CAT control, trace function and the fact that it will do 100 watts on 144 and 50 watts on 435 make it a great satellite radio. Maybe not the best, but along with it's HF capabilities, a very nice overall rig.
Jim Bob Buckeye AKA **** Jim Leder**** K8CXM since 1961 IBM retiree since 1999
There are 10 types of people in this world -- those who understand binary and those who don't.
----- Original Message ----- From: "MM" ka1rrw@yahoo.com To: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org; "Sebastian" w4as@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:31 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
i am running the Yeasu FT-736R. it supports 6/2/440/1200. its the best Sat rig ever made and you can find good ones for under $600.
wf1f
--- On Fri, 4/3/09, Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net wrote:
From: Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver To: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:35 PM I have a Kenwood TS-2000, but was disappointed about the birdy on 436.795, which makes both SO-50 and AO-27 unusable.
Now if that doesn't bother you, the 2000 is a great radio.
However, I wanted to have a dedicated satellite radio, and I decided to go with the Icom IC-910H.
I guess it all depends. If you are looking for a radio that will do HF & VHF/UHF and satellites, and aren't too concerned about using those two birds, then go with the 2000. You can't beat it for the money.
If you want to have a rig that was designed specifically for satellite work, and if you already have an HF rig, then the 910H is for you.
There are other older radios available, but I personally like to stay with rigs that are still in production.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Norman W Osborne wrote:
Which one? I am looking to buy something new and have been
looking at the knw
2000 and Icom. Any suggestions?
best regards, Norman
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For Sale:
Kenwood TS-2000X Transceiver, mint. Used mainly for Satellite work and only operated at 5-25 watts most of the time. It is fully operational and comes with everything contained as new (manual, power cable, microphone, container, etc).
Contact me off list for details and pictures.
Jeff - K7WIN k7win@k7win.net
I will agree with you about 90%. The FT-736R has been THE radio the satellite community has talked about for years, and will continue to talk about. However, there are some things that need to be considered.
First, the power supply is a known problem. Certainly not a huge problem, since if it goes out, you can run it with an external power supply.
The other problem is it's age; lack of replacement parts available for them; and eventual break down of the values of components due to it's age.
Additionally, while you can certainly find them used (and your price of $600 is way too low, I would buy a good one at that price - they easily go for about $900 now), the other problem is interfacing them with a computer, which from what I recall, requires an IF-232, and I think those are quite difficult to find today. I don't know if there is an easier or cheaper way to interface them since I haven't owned one for many years, but not being able to use computer control on such an excellent radio would be a shame.
Last, their output power is not very high by today's standards. Sure it's high enough to work the satellites, but it's probably not enough for meteor scatter, without an amp.
I'm not knocking the 736, I agree it's an excellent rig. It's just a shame there is only one true 100% satellite radio currently being manufactured.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:31 AM, MM wrote:
i am running the Yeasu FT-736R. it supports 6/2/440/1200. its the best Sat rig ever made and you can find good ones for under $600.
wf1f
IIRC, the IF-232 is just a simple TTL-to-RS232 interface. it should be fairly easy to homebrew on with any of the available chips out there, like the Maxxim MAX232. jim KQ6EA
--- On Sun, 4/5/09, Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net wrote:
From: Sebastian w4as@bellsouth.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver To: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 10:41 AM I will agree with you about 90%. The FT-736R has been THE radio the satellite community has talked about for years, and will continue to talk about. However, there are some things that need to be considered.
First, the power supply is a known problem. Certainly not a huge problem, since if it goes out, you can run it with an external power supply.
The other problem is it's age; lack of replacement parts available for them; and eventual break down of the values of components due to it's age.
Additionally, while you can certainly find them used (and your price of $600 is way too low, I would buy a good one at that price - they easily go for about $900 now), the other problem is interfacing them with a computer, which from what I recall, requires an IF-232, and I think those are quite difficult to find today. I don't know if there is an easier or cheaper way to interface them since I haven't owned one for many years, but not being able to use computer control on such an excellent radio would be a shame.
Last, their output power is not very high by today's standards. Sure it's high enough to work the satellites, but it's probably not enough for meteor scatter, without an amp.
I'm not knocking the 736, I agree it's an excellent rig. It's just a shame there is only one true 100% satellite radio currently being manufactured.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:31 AM, MM wrote:
i am running the Yeasu FT-736R. it supports 6/2/440/1200. its the best Sat rig ever made and you can find good
ones for under
$600.
wf1f
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Don't most of the commercial interfaces output TTL levels now?
Jim Jerzycke wrote:
IIRC, the IF-232 is just a simple TTL-to-RS232 interface. it should be fairly easy to homebrew on with any of the available chips out there, like the Maxxim MAX232. jim KQ6EA
TTL/RS232 for FT 736r.
You can fit it inside a DB9
I've used this circuit that uses a couple of 2N2222
http://www.mindspring.com/~n2wwd/html/body_doppler_compensation.html
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke Sent: April 5, 2009 1:18 PM To: AMSAT BB; Sebastian Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
IIRC, the IF-232 is just a simple TTL-to-RS232 interface. it should be fairly easy to homebrew on with any of the available chips out there, like the Maxxim MAX232. jim KQ6EA
Actually, if you don't plan to poll the squelch or S-meter (the only commands that cause the 736 to send data to the computer), you can leave out Q2 and all the components associated with it. That leaves just one transistor, and one resistor. I put a small diode in series with the resistor, so as to not reverse-bias the base of Q1.
My 736R has served me very well. The power supply has held up just fine, so far. I do have a 2m / 70cm pair of "brick" amplifiers for the cases where I need a flame thrower, but with a decent antenna, these are not often used. I also managed to find a 1.2 ghz module, so I'm all set. (I have 6m on my aging Yaesu 767GX transceiver.)
The biggest disappointment is that the CAT interface does not let the computer read where the frequency dial is set, and you can't move the dial when under CAT control. This is not an issue for FM birds, but it makes computer control of SSB/CW awkward, and I usually just run those modes manually.
Greg KO6TH
From: ve4yz@mts.net To: kq6ea@pacbell.net; AMSAT-BB@amsat.org; w4as@bellsouth.net Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 13:55:01 -0500 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
TTL/RS232 for FT 736r.
You can fit it inside a DB9
I've used this circuit that uses a couple of 2N2222
http://www.mindspring.com/~n2wwd/html/body_doppler_compensation.html
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke Sent: April 5, 2009 1:18 PM To: AMSAT BB; Sebastian Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
IIRC, the IF-232 is just a simple TTL-to-RS232 interface. it should be fairly easy to homebrew on with any of the available chips out there, like the Maxxim MAX232. jim KQ6EA
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Clarification needed:
The schematic below is for a DB25, I said it fits in DB9. This is correct except that pin numbers on DB9 are different.
See here:
http://picasaweb.google.com/ve4yz.alan/RS232TTL#5321286979431019122
-----Original Message----- From: Alan [mailto:ve4yz@mts.net] Sent: April 5, 2009 1:55 PM To: 'kq6ea@pacbell.net'; 'AMSAT BB'; 'Sebastian' Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
TTL/RS232 for FT 736r.
You can fit it inside a DB9
I've used this circuit that uses a couple of 2N2222
http://www.mindspring.com/~n2wwd/html/body_doppler_compensation.html
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jim Jerzycke Sent: April 5, 2009 1:18 PM To: AMSAT BB; Sebastian Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Satellite Transceiver
IIRC, the IF-232 is just a simple TTL-to-RS232 interface.
it should be
fairly easy to homebrew on with any of the available chips
out there,
like the Maxxim MAX232. jim KQ6EA
I guess no one considers the FT-847, yet I consider it superior rig to the venerable FT-736R. I comes ready to interface DB-9 RS232 jack. Only issue is it is now out of production. They show up used on e-bay at about $900-1100.
I briefly considered selling mine to upgrade to a Elecraft-K3, but the cost to acquire 2m and 70cm xvtrs, and other things made keeping the FT-847 financially/functionally smarter. I'm mainly interested in the K3 for extreme weak-signal EME, VHF+ and 160m/600m work, and, of course, a superior HF rig to the FT-847. But the FT-847 shines as a satellite rig...so keeping it.
73, Ed - KL7UW this summer we will be again QRV on satellite: modes: V/U/L/S
I agree the FT-847 is a fine radio. I have also owned one, but I got such a good deal on an Icom IC-910H that I couldn't resist; and had to sell the 847 to get the funds to buy it.
The 847 hasn't been mentioned, because the original poster stated that he wanted to buy a new satellite radio, so I believe that he means brand new.
I would prefer the 847 over the 736, simply because it has HF, and has higher power on VHF/UHF; plus it is a newer radio, and is very easy to interface to a computer.
But really, when you consider the going price for a used 736, or a used 847; for just a little more, you can get a new IC-910H, with a warranty, and have a rig that is still in production. But if you find one at a good price, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
73 de W4AS Sebastian
On Apr 5, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Edward Cole wrote:
I guess no one considers the FT-847, yet I consider it superior rig to the venerable FT-736R. I comes ready to interface DB-9 RS232 jack. Only issue is it is now out of production. They show up used on e-bay at about $900-1100.
I briefly considered selling mine to upgrade to a Elecraft-K3, but the cost to acquire 2m and 70cm xvtrs, and other things made keeping the FT-847 financially/functionally smarter. I'm mainly interested in the K3 for extreme weak-signal EME, VHF+ and 160m/600m work, and, of course, a superior HF rig to the FT-847. But the FT-847 shines as a satellite rig...so keeping it.
73, Ed - KL7UW this summer we will be again QRV on satellite: modes: V/U/L/S
Bearing in mind that computers don't come with an RS232 interface, TTL levels are actually easier than 232 voltage levels to interface. A USB-serial chip is already TTL and of the correct polarity without adding the +-12V generator and interface.
Sebastian wrote: and is very easy to
interface to a computer.
www.marexmg.org
Hi all todays picture has me puzzled. I am not sure what it is. check out the picture on my home page, 21:11 utc. thanks Miles
Rotating the image 90 degrees clockwise, it looks like it might be the head (toilet).
73, Kent K5KNT AMSAT #36765 ARRL
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 20:20, MM ka1rrw@yahoo.com wrote:
www.marexmg.org
Hi all todays picture has me puzzled. I am not sure what it is. check out the picture on my home page, 21:11 utc. thanks Miles
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Mystery solved.
I asked Charles about the SSTV picture he sent yesterday, he said during the 15:20 UTC pass over Boston 4/6/09, The picture is of a Russian designed toilet, located in one of the American modules.
It looks like ISS now as at least two Toilets.
Charles has be on voice calling CQ and QRZ, 145.800/144.490 (USA)
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From: MM ka1rrw@yahoo.com Subject: [amsat-bb] A few SSTV from ISS To: Cc: "AMSAT BB" AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 9:20 PM www.marexmg.org
Hi all todays picture has me puzzled. I am not sure what it is. check out the picture on my home page, 21:11 utc. thanks Miles
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On 4/6/09, Edward Cole kl7uw@acsalaska.net wrote:
I guess no one considers the FT-847, yet I consider it superior rig to the venerable FT-736R. I comes ready to interface DB-9 RS232 jack. Only issue is it is now out of production. They show up used on e-bay at about $900-1100.
I agree, it's a great satellite radio, but I always used it with manual tuning :-) However it has a lot, and I mean a lot of more or less strong birdies on the 2m band. Also the power switch fails too soon and too often if you use the original yaesu part. I also noticed that NB has almost no effect on the typical impulse noise that is silenced by all other NB of my other rigs. This NB problem has been confirmed by another friend owning the FT-847 (I still have to go and listen for the 2m birdies).
73 Francesco IZ8DWF
At 12:06 AM 4/6/2009, francesco messineo wrote:
On 4/6/09, Edward Cole kl7uw@acsalaska.net wrote:
I guess no one considers the FT-847, yet I consider it superior rig to the venerable FT-736R. I comes ready to interface DB-9 RS232 jack. Only issue is it is now out of production. They show up used on e-bay at about $900-1100.
I agree, it's a great satellite radio, but I always used it with manual tuning :-) However it has a lot, and I mean a lot of more or less strong birdies on the 2m band. Also the power switch fails too soon and too often if you use the original yaesu part. I also noticed that NB has almost no effect on the typical impulse noise that is silenced by all other NB of my other rigs. This NB problem has been confirmed by another friend owning the FT-847 (I still have to go and listen for the 2m birdies).
73 Francesco IZ8DWF
OK, good observations.
The very early production of the radio had a problem of either solder flux residue or improperly tightened screws on the audio board, that resulted in internal birdies. Mine was a 1999 radio and I sent it back to Yaesu to correct that. They cured a lot of birdies (not all). Most of my birdies are eliminated with an external preamp, so that leads me to conclude they are generated external to the radio in the shack. Placing a 50-ohm termination on the antenna connector can confirm this. The Kenwood TS2000 birdies on popular satellite freq. is a much worse fault in my mind.
My power switch failed at about the 5th year and I simply rewired to the extra contacts (its a DPST switch) and has cured the problem, so far (note my radio is now ten years old). The NB is a disappointment. I had a FT-842 HF radio that had a terrific NB. Why Yaesu couldn't copy the design is beyond me. So if your main use is for a mobile radio perhaps the new 857 or 897 is better. I don't have a lot ignition noise issues in my home station (occasionally, snow machiners), so I overlook this.
The DSP NR and filters work well. Especially on CW. But this is an area that I expect the K3 is probably much better. I do mainly EME and MS so my needs are much greater for Rx performance. For satellite work that is generally dealing with stronger signals, the FT-847 works quite fine. I thought it was fine for AO-40! I use it less for the Leos, though that will change later this year when I get my satellite antennas back up (also, planning to add a dual-band Lindenblad). I have auto-track/tuning that was never implemented and expect that to make mode-LS on Leos easier (high-rate Doppler changes).
I now have 175 stations worked on 2m-EME with the FT-847.
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