Re: Putting The Cart Before The Horse
First in my original post I wanted to stimulate a debate on the feasibility of Phase 4. I received to many e-mail's off line to count all afraid to say anything on the bb. Everyone supporting my opinion not one negative, thank you all for the support. I did also receive emails from Rick Hambly and Robert McGuire attesting to my lack of intellectual capacity. (attack the messenger not the message) In his Email to me Mr. McQwier also challenged me to submit a resolution to the BOD and he would second it. My plans are to take him up on it. I actually plan on submitting two off them.
First: To form a committee of amateurs in and out of Amsat with technical skills to asses the viability of SDR. The number one reason for this is after three years I have not been able to find one instance where anyone has produced a working SDR transponder. Second: One night recently while talking on two meter ssb to a local retired ham, a retired collage professor with a PHD. Who rights his own SDR software. When explaining what Amsat was trying to do his words were good luck. If this SDR is such a good thing those behind it should welcome a full per review and prove me wrong.
Second: To form a committee of hams to survey hams both in and out of Amsat on what they want in a future satellite. With the goal of bringing in new hams for increasing membership in Amsat.
This is my opinion and I feel free to express it because over the last three years I have donated at least $30,000.00 US dollars in CNC Machine shop work to Amsat. Especially to the Eagle project. As I see it now the project actually has gone backward. How would you feel if you spent a whole winter working on the Eagle Module's pro bono and just because you did not agree with something that your intelligence would be attacked. I just got off Eagle Pedia and could not find updated mechanical drawings as the old design has been scrapped. I want again to state this is my opinion. It is my believe that Rick Hambly and his phase 4 are just a diversion to cover up his past failures with the hardware and software for present projects. How does Amsat realistically plan on paying for such a project that when I confronted him via email that he did not deny would cost a minimum of $5 million dollars. As for the rest, it is being covered pretty well on this bb.
Fred
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred A Parker" [email protected]
The number one reason for this is after three years I have not been able
to find one instance where anyone has produced a working SDR transponder.
That's really odd, since I have operated through 3 different iterations of an SDR transponder, two at symposiums in front of the entire crowd, and for an entire weekend at Dayton '06.
Fred, it's obvious that you have gotten your feelings hurt over the volunteer work you've done, and I'm sorry for that. But this little crusade you are on is not going to help anyone get a satellite launched any faster. In reality every post you make turns people away from the goal you so obviously desire.
73, Drew KO4MA
Fred,
You continue to insult me. I never attacked your "intellectual capacity." I only said you were not well informed.
If you would like to see a working SDR come to an AMSAT gathering. The delay in getting hardware that looks good is due to our reliance on volunteers, not bad science or engineering. The fact that you don't believe in SDR transponders doesn't make them any less real or practical.
Phase 4 will use the same modules and payloads as Eagle (P3) there is no difference. The module housings you made were valuable as they proved that the bent sheet metal approach would not work. It is too flexible. We will need a milled baseplate. This is not a failure - it is part of the successful evolution of a new design called Eagle.
Some of us have donated huge amounts of our time to AMSAT and it is tiring to be attacked in public like this. It is unjustified and not consistent with the facts.
Rick W2GPS AMSAT LM2232
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fred A Parker Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:50 AM To: amsat-bb; Steve Carr; Brock Thomsen Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Putting The Cart Before The Horse
First in my original post I wanted to stimulate a debate on the feasibility of Phase 4. I received to many e-mail's off line to count all afraid to say anything on the bb. Everyone supporting my opinion not one negative, thank you all for the support. I did also receive emails from Rick Hambly and Robert McGuire attesting to my lack of intellectual capacity. (attack the messenger not the message) In his Email to me Mr. McQwier also challenged me to submit a resolution to the BOD and he would second it. My plans are to take him up on it. I actually plan on submitting two off them.
First: To form a committee of amateurs in and out of Amsat with technical skills to asses the viability of SDR. The number one reason for this is after three years I have not been able to find one instance where anyone has produced a working SDR transponder. Second: One night recently while talking on two meter ssb to a local retired ham, a retired collage professor with a PHD. Who rights his own SDR software. When explaining what Amsat was trying to do his words were good luck. If this SDR is such a good thing those behind it should welcome a full per review and prove me wrong.
Second: To form a committee of hams to survey hams both in and out of Amsat on what they want in a future satellite. With the goal of bringing in new hams for increasing membership in Amsat.
This is my opinion and I feel free to express it because over the last three years I have donated at least $30,000.00 US dollars in CNC Machine shop work to Amsat. Especially to the Eagle project. As I see it now the project actually has gone backward. How would you feel if you spent a whole winter working on the Eagle Module's pro bono and just because you did not agree with something that your intelligence would be attacked. I just got off Eagle Pedia and could not find updated mechanical drawings as the old design has been scrapped. I want again to state this is my opinion. It is my believe that Rick Hambly and his phase 4 are just a diversion to cover up his past failures with the hardware and software for present projects. How does Amsat realistically plan on paying for such a project that when I confronted him via email that he did not deny would cost a minimum of $5 million dollars. As for the rest, it is being covered pretty well on this bb.
Fred _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Priorities accomplished, that what success is.
1....done 2....done 3....done
NOT (1,2,3) maybe possible, likely, done, we need more money, run for my seat, too much heat on this bb....)
On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Rick Hambly ((W2GPS)) wrote:
Fred,
You continue to insult me. I never attacked your "intellectual capacity." I only said you were not well informed.
If you would like to see a working SDR come to an AMSAT gathering. The delay in getting hardware that looks good is due to our reliance on volunteers, not bad science or engineering. The fact that you don't believe in SDR transponders doesn't make them any less real or practical.
Phase 4 will use the same modules and payloads as Eagle (P3) there is no difference. The module housings you made were valuable as they proved that the bent sheet metal approach would not work. It is too flexible. We will need a milled baseplate. This is not a failure - it is part of the successful evolution of a new design called Eagle.
Some of us have donated huge amounts of our time to AMSAT and it is tiring to be attacked in public like this. It is unjustified and not consistent with the facts.
Rick W2GPS AMSAT LM2232
At 05:40 PM 12/13/2007, MKM wrote:
Priorities accomplished, that what success is.
1....done 2....done 3....done
NOT (1,2,3) maybe possible, likely, done, we need more money, run for my seat, too much heat on this bb....)
STILL a TROLL
You need to expand your vocabulary before you can contribute to a conversation.
On Dec 13, 2007, at 7:44 PM, David B. Toth wrote:
At 05:40 PM 12/13/2007, MKM wrote:
Priorities accomplished, that what success is.
1....done 2....done 3....done
NOT (1,2,3) maybe possible, likely, done, we need more money, run for my seat, too much heat on this bb....)
STILL a TROLL
Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Your anonymity provides adequate support to Dr. Toth's on target comments concerning your nature.
Bob N4HY
MKM wrote:
You need to expand your vocabulary before you can contribute to a conversation.
On Dec 13, 2007, at 7:44 PM, David B. Toth wrote:
At 05:40 PM 12/13/2007, MKM wrote:
Priorities accomplished, that what success is.
1....done 2....done 3....done
NOT (1,2,3) maybe possible, likely, done, we need more money, run for my seat, too much heat on this bb....)
STILL a TROLL
At 12:20 AM 12/14/2007, MKM wrote:
You need to expand your vocabulary before you can contribute to a conversation.
There was no need to expound further. It was a medical diagnosis ... You ARE a troll. You add nothing to the discussion except bile.
I think everyone would be best served if you sat back from your keyboard and reassessed YOUR motivations for your ad hominem attacks ....
Sad, very sad.
And your reluctance to sign your posts when most of us know who you are anyway.
Doubly sad ...
Dave
First: ... to asses the viability of SDR.
At the conferences, Dayton, etc, SDR has been demonstrated numerous times and as a modern day ludite myself, I am now convinced it is a very practical way to go. Think about it. EVERYTHING is going digital and for very, very good reasons.
Second: To form a committee... to survey hams... on what they want in a future satellite.
Henry Ford once answered why he did not do public research to determine exactly what people wanted instead of just boldy producing millions of the same-old black model T. His answer was because if he had asked everyone, their response would have been that they wanted a faster horse.
my opinion.... phase 4...just a diversion...
Getting to space is expensive, and we have to take rides where we find them, and these opportunites do come and go with the wind. But this seems like the first practical one with long term benefits. For the first time this approach makes us a supportable PART of the mission, and not just an inconvenient add-on.
I'm all for proceeding down this path. Bob, WB4APR
Thank you for the time you take to express your views. This is EXACTLY what we need!
On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:49 AM, Fred A Parker wrote:
First in my original post I wanted to stimulate a debate on the feasibility of Phase 4. I received to many e-mail's off line to count all afraid to say anything on the bb. Everyone supporting my opinion not one negative, thank you all for the support. I did also receive emails from Rick Hambly and Robert McGuire attesting to my lack of intellectual capacity. (attack the messenger not the message) In his Email to me Mr. McQwier also challenged me to submit a resolution to the BOD and he would second it. My plans are to take him up on it. I actually plan on submitting two off them.
First: To form a committee of amateurs in and out of Amsat with technical skills to asses the viability of SDR. The number one reason for this is after three years I have not been able to find one instance where anyone has produced a working SDR transponder. Second: One night recently while talking on two meter ssb to a local retired ham, a retired collage professor with a PHD. Who rights his own SDR software. When explaining what Amsat was trying to do his words were good luck. If this SDR is such a good thing those behind it should welcome a full per review and prove me wrong.
Second: To form a committee of hams to survey hams both inand out of Amsat on what they want in a future satellite. With the goal of bringing in new hams for increasing membership in Amsat.
This is my opinion and I feel free to express it because over the last three years I have donated at least $30,000.00 US dollars in CNC Machine shop work to Amsat. Especially to the Eagle project. As I see it now the project actually has gone backward. How would you feel if you spent a whole winter working on the Eagle Module's pro bono and just because you did not agree with something that your intelligence would be attacked. I just got off Eagle Pedia and could not find updated mechanical drawings as the old design has been scrapped. I want again to state this is my opinion. It is my believe that Rick Hambly and his phase 4 are just a diversion to cover up his past failures with the hardware and software for present projects. How does Amsat realistically plan on paying for such a project that when I confronted him via email that he did not deny would cost a minimum of $5 million dollars. As for the rest, it is being covered pretty well on this bb.
Fred
participants (7)
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Andrew Glasbrenner -
David B. Toth -
Fred A Parker -
MKM -
Rick Hambly (W2GPS) -
Robert Bruninga -
Robert McGwier