Re: APRS through ISS and FD
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like APRS to me!
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, George Henry ka3hsw@att.net wrote:
The ARRL Field Day rules are available at http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2008/fd.html . Rule 7.3.7 covers satellite QSOs, and states "The QSO must be between two Earth stations through a satellite."
73,
George, KA3HSW
"Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET wrote: I should add that I am looking for something concerning the ARRL FD rules. I have already found an explanation for the AMSAT FD rules, but they are not always the same.
Alan WA4SCA
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-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-16,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52 Internet N4QWF@AMSAT.ORG Echolink node #110903 Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on 51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
Sounds like APRS to me!
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like APRS to me!
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, George Henry ka3hsw@att.net wrote:
The ARRL Field Day rules are available at http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2008/fd.html . Rule 7.3.7 covers satellite QSOs, and states "The QSO must be between two Earth stations through a satellite."
73,
George, KA3HSW
"Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET wrote: I should add that I am looking for something concerning the ARRL FD rules. I have already found an explanation for the AMSAT FD rules, but they are not always the same.
Alan WA4SCA
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-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-16,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52 Internet N4QWF@AMSAT.ORG Echolink node #110903 Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on 51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-16,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52 Internet N4QWF@AMSAT.ORG Echolink node #110903 Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on 51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
Personally I think the definition of satellite (for this at least) should be anything that is not fixed to the ground. This can include a balloon, the ISS, or just regular amateur satellites. It would be nice to see the ARRL include balloons for field day, right?
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:05 PM, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like APRS to me!
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:05 PM, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Price n4qwf1@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like APRS to me!
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:26 AM, George Henry ka3hsw@att.net wrote:
The ARRL Field Day rules are available at
http://www.arrl.org/contests/rules/2008/fd.html . Rule 7.3.7 covers satellite QSOs, and states "The QSO must be between two Earth stations through a satellite."
73,
George, KA3HSW
"Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET wrote: I should add that I am looking for something concerning the ARRL FD
rules.
I have already found an explanation for the AMSAT FD rules, but they
are not
always the same.
Alan WA4SCA
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-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-16,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52 Internet N4QWF@AMSAT.ORG Echolink node #110903 Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on 51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-16,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52 Internet N4QWF@AMSAT.ORG Echolink node #110903 Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on 51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!"
-- N4QWF Amateur Radio Operator AO-7,AO-16,AO-27,SO-50,AO-51,VO-52 Internet N4QWF@AMSAT.ORG Echolink node #110903 Formerly KC4AHW VK3FEZ Amsat Member #27845 DXCC #33,478 VUCC SAT #135 WAS SAT #296 51 on 51 #13 LON -79.256 LAT 37.459 Grid FM07il
From the Foothills of the Blueridge
*Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - "WOW, What a ride!" _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
And the definite answer to the question is NO, the ISS is not a satellite, so it doesn't get you the bonus. I recall its status came up before, and is a bit anomalous. I did suggest a slight modification to the Q&A on the FD package next year to clarify what is not necessarily an intuitive situation. Well, there is GO-32 if you want to do 9600 baud, and there is certainly going to be less traffic.
Alan WA4SCA
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Hi Alan -
Thanks for the note. As the ISS is NOT a satellite, this would not qualify for the 100-point bonus. To earn that credit, you will need to make a QSO through one of the recognized Amateur Radio satellites.
Have fun at Field Day this year!
73,
Sean Kutzko KX9X Contest Branch Manager ARRL - The national association of Amateur Radio 225 Main Street Newington, CT 06111 USA (860) 594-0232 email: kx9x@arrl.org
Wonder how you get a description as to what constitutes a amateur satellite? I can't imagine what other criteria it would need to meet. Hope to work you again this year Allen on AO-51 mode L. You were my contact last year. You are in the log as 1E TN. I run the K4CQ station for the Lynchburg Amateur Radio Club. I will listen for you this weekend. 73's << John
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Alan P. Biddle APBIDDLE@united.net wrote:
And the definite answer to the question is NO, the ISS is not a satellite, so it doesn't get you the bonus. I recall its status came up before, and is a bit anomalous. I did suggest a slight modification to the Q&A on the FD package next year to clarify what is not necessarily an intuitive situation. Well, there is GO-32 if you want to do 9600 baud, and there is certainly going to be less traffic.
Alan WA4SCA
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Hi Alan -
Thanks for the note. As the ISS is NOT a satellite, this would not qualify for the 100-point bonus. To earn that credit, you will need to make a QSO through one of the recognized Amateur Radio satellites.
Have fun at Field Day this year!
73,
Sean Kutzko KX9X Contest Branch Manager ARRL - The national association of Amateur Radio 225 Main Street Newington, CT 06111 USA (860) 594-0232 email: kx9x@arrl.org
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Unbelievable... according to my Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, the ISS most certainly IS a satellite! (the only possible quibble being that it was built in orbit, rather than launched into orbit...)
Did the ARRL people understand that you were asking about contacts THRU the ISS, and not WITH the ISS?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan P. Biddle" APBIDDLE@UNITED.NET To: "AMSAT-BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org; "'TAPR APRS Mailing List'" aprssig@lists.tapr.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: APRS through ISS and FD
And the definite answer to the question is NO, the ISS is not a satellite, so it doesn't get you the bonus. I recall its status came up before, and is a bit anomalous. I did suggest a slight modification to the Q&A on the FD package next year to clarify what is not necessarily an intuitive situation. Well, there is GO-32 if you want to do 9600 baud, and there is certainly going to be less traffic.
Alan WA4SCA
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Morning George,
Attached is the text I sent. If they didn't understand that, I don't know how to make it any clearer. I emphasized the distinction twice, as you can see. However, the sticking point is with the classification of the ISS, not how you use it. Or at least how it appears. We have at least one person on the list who is actively involved with these decisions. I would hope, and expect, some input on this after FD.
Alan WA4SCA
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Hi,
I received a question from a local FD committee concerning satellite operations via the ISS. FD section 7.3.7 mentions the requirements to get the 100 point bonus being via an "'amateur' radio satellite," while later it talks about basic QSOs and does not use the phrase "amateur." Later on in the FD info packet, we find "A QSO with the ISS does not qualify for the bonus since it is not an Earth-to-Earth contact," but nothing about QSOs between two ground stations THROUGH the ISS.
The question is about a QSO through, not with, the ISS using either the voice repeater, or going through the APRS digipeater, which is currently active. This would be a QSO between two ground stations exactly as you would through AO-51 for voice or GO-32 or NO-44 for APRS packet, which would count. The only difference is that the carrier is the ISS, which is not really an "amateur satellite" even though it carries amateur gear. I have asked on the usual packet and satellite forums, with seemingly authoritative but conflicting answers and no definite sources.
So, does a digital QSO THROUGH the ISS digipeater or voice repeater count for the 100 FD bonus points?
TNX es 73s,
Alan WA4SCA
So, does a digital QSO THROUGH the ISS digipeater or voice repeater count for the 100 FD bonus points?
Yes.
Bob, WB4APR
So, does a digital QSO THROUGH the ISS digipeater or voice repeater count for the 100 FD bonus points?
Yes.
Bob, WB4APR
No, according to those who do the counting:
===================================================================== Hi Alan -
Thanks for the note. As the ISS is NOT a satellite, this would not qualify for the 100-point bonus. To earn that credit, you will need to make a QSO through one of the recognized Amateur Radio satellites.
Have fun at Field Day this year!
73,
Sean Kutzko KX9X Contest Branch Manager ARRL - The national association of Amateur Radio 225 Main Street Newington, CT 06111 USA (860) 594-0232 email: kx9x@arrl.org
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It is a goofy ruling, but I find not new. Just widely unknown, because it apparently makes so little sense.
If you have DOCUMENTED evidence, not hearsay or past usage, to get this fixed, I would appreciate your giving me a reference. I am not being argumentative here, but that is what would be required to fix this, especially on short notice.
Alan WA4SCA
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