There's no usable satellites
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
gl de ha6nn Andras
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it serve to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what operating should be?
Tom NY4I
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
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Same here. If I hear a portable station in the FM pileup, most likely that's the one I'll want to work before the others! Working the LEO portable and handheld is quite a handful, literally and I admire that!
There has been quite alot of negative interaction as of late on this email reflector that I simply do not understand. Amateur Radio is what you make of it, whether it be operating the world QRP or working FM satellites portable, do what interests you in the hobby and do it well!. All this uneccessary negativity is getting quite old. Instead of complaining in a public forum about which operator did what, etc, how about elmer them and help them become a better operator. Who knows, you may learn something in the process.
--jeff N3QO
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@gmail.com
wrote:
I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it serve to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what operating should be?
Tom NY4I
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
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Thanks Jeff,
You are making sense. I miss AO-10, 13, and AO-40 (I worked them all). The complaints are amazing though. Our choice was mini satellites or no satellites. I still think some mini satellites is better than no satellites. Enjoy what we have. If you hate only having mini satellites please launch an HEO. I will be happy to support you. But do you really think complaining about the lack of HEO birds gets one closer to orbit?
My Thoughts, Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Welsh Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:21 AM To: Thomas Schaefer Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Same here. If I hear a portable station in the FM pileup, most likely that's the one I'll want to work before the others! Working the LEO portable and handheld is quite a handful, literally and I admire that!
There has been quite alot of negative interaction as of late on this email reflector that I simply do not understand. Amateur Radio is what you make of it, whether it be operating the world QRP or working FM satellites portable, do what interests you in the hobby and do it well!. All this uneccessary negativity is getting quite old. Instead of complaining in a public forum about which operator did what, etc, how about elmer them and help them become a better operator. Who knows, you may learn something in the process.
--jeff N3QO
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Thomas Schaefer <thomasmschaefer@gmail.com
wrote:
I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it
serve
to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what operating should be?
Tom NY4I
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
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On Oct 24, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Thomas Schaefer wrote:
I do not understand the purpose to belittle people that want to use the satellite on an HT. I can use my 9100, but it is a nice intro to be in the yard or a beach with an HT and an Arrow antenna. What purpose does it serve to take that away from someone if it does not fit your idea of what operating should be?
Tom NY4I
Let me put another quote out there:
Great minds discuss ideas, mediocre minds discuss events, small minds discuss personalities.–Eleanor Roosevelt
Or in other words, some people need to re-assure their self worth by finding something/somebody as perceived by themselves of lower value/quality than themselves to raise their own idea or reflection of themselves. It is easier to do so by looking towards other people than having great ideas.
How dare one use a satellite with an HT when I spent thousands of dollars on an Oscar station? Yeah ok, the outcome is the same in terms of communication achieved, but come on ... I spent thousands of dollars on errrm .. now unnecessary equipment because the kids, lids and space cadets run circles around me with their HTs.
This is just getting more sad as we progress here. And the direction these threads now seem to take can barely be classified as progress.
73 Mike K5TRI
Amen WD8Z On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:47 AM, John Becker wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
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Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
The dark-side of Ham radio is the Curmudgeons who feel they must hold everyone back to their own style and their own narrow view of the hobby.
But anyone with any sense of the golden rule understands that accomplishments in an all volunteer endeavor are never made by bashing, or trying to change what other people do.
Progress is made when the Curmudgeons get out of the way, and let those with ideas or interests move forward. There simply is no value (to others) in trying to bash others or attempt to change their interests.
Everyone learns from Ham radio. And the best way to learn is by hands on experience and learning it themselves. What the Curmudgeons learned in their 40+ years of ham radio may in fact be what the newer members need to learn. But just like the Curmudgeons had to learn it on their own, the people with other ideas may have to learn their own lessons as well.
I expect that what the current players learn will be far different from what the Curmudgeons learned, because face it, the world and technology has changed in 40 years and will not have the same lessons or conclusions.
Nobody is right or wrong. Just find something in Ham radio and pursue it. And hope that the Curmudgeons stay out of the way. They contribute little towards progress but try to hold everyone back.
One can elmer, steer and provide some guidance to try to give some direction, but bashing and negativism only inhibits progress along the hobby.
Just my 2 cents. Learned 40 years ago from W4RI, Paul Rinaldo in trying to herd all the cats in the AMRAD club as they developed packet radio.
Bob, Wb4APR
On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Bob Bruninga wrote:
Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
The dark-side of Ham radio is the Curmudgeons who feel they must hold everyone back to their own style and their own narrow view of the hobby.
But anyone with any sense of the golden rule understands that accomplishments in an all volunteer endeavor are never made by bashing, or trying to change what other people do.
Well said .. or also in other words: What learn you must share, what you know you must teach.
73 Mike K5TRI
At 11:37 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
The dark-side of Ham radio is the Curmudgeons who feel they must hold everyone back to their own style and their own narrow view of the hobby.
No Bob I'm in no way trying to hold anyone back just that like I said it seems to be that same people pass after pass after pass.
How about giving someone else some air time? is that to much to ask? There is only so much bandwidth as you of all people well know.
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500 John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country, quickly and easily.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
Unfortunately it seems that this sort of posting has become almost the norm on this bb. The attitude that my way is the only way and your way is a load of rubbish and to prove it I will produce caricature of your way which shows how simple minded you are. So those who operate computer controlled stations buy everything and have apparently never built anything in their lives. Cubesats become beepsats which are poorly built and never operate in orbit and the builders don't care. FMsats are the realm of poor operators and the linear sats are the only way to go. LEO,s are a waste of time and HEO is all that matters. etc. etc.
I am old enough to remember when there was such a thing as "The Amateurs Code". Article 4 stated that "Kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others; these are the marks of the amateur spirit." Presumably written at a time when diversity of interests was celebrated and not denigrated. Oh well, I guess I am just living in the past.
73 Alan ZL2BX
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 16:29 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500 John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country, quickly and easily.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
Alan, comments well stated and I agree with you but its kind of just part of the human condition. I have seen the same attitudes in r/c planes clubs, r/c boat clubs, gun clubs, sports car clubs, etc. There always seems to be a group of the 'old guard' who would complain if you hung them with a new rope. Then there is a group at the other end of the spectrum that have a better way (at least in their minds) of doing things. Then there is the core group who just wait out the battle and things return to sanity.
This thread soon will pass and someone will ask "what happened to HO68..." and away we go again.
73, Ted, K7TRK Proud No Code Appliance Operator and Ham Radio Hobbyist
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Cresswell Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:10 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Unfortunately it seems that this sort of posting has become almost the norm on this bb. The attitude that my way is the only way and your way is a load of rubbish and to prove it I will produce caricature of your way which shows how simple minded you are. So those who operate computer controlled stations buy everything and have apparently never built anything in their lives. Cubesats become beepsats which are poorly built and never operate in orbit and the builders don't care. FMsats are the realm of poor operators and the linear sats are the only way to go. LEO,s are a waste of time and HEO is all that matters. etc. etc.
I am old enough to remember when there was such a thing as "The Amateurs Code". Article 4 stated that "Kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others; these are the marks of the amateur spirit." Presumably written at a time when diversity of interests was celebrated and not denigrated. Oh well, I guess I am just living in the past.
73 Alan ZL2BX
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 16:29 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500 John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country, quickly and easily.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
So what happened to HO68? Any news? Would be great to have that bird back.
Cheers, Mike
p.s.: Please don't change the subject line or omit the Re: if you reply in order to keep the thread intact and sortable as such.
On Oct 24, 2011, at 5:54 PM, Ted wrote:
Alan, comments well stated and I agree with you but its kind of just part of the human condition. I have seen the same attitudes in r/c planes clubs, r/c boat clubs, gun clubs, sports car clubs, etc. There always seems to be a group of the 'old guard' who would complain if you hung them with a new rope. Then there is a group at the other end of the spectrum that have a better way (at least in their minds) of doing things. Then there is the core group who just wait out the battle and things return to sanity.
This thread soon will pass and someone will ask "what happened to HO68..." and away we go again.
73, Ted, K7TRK Proud No Code Appliance Operator and Ham Radio Hobbyist
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Cresswell Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:10 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
Unfortunately it seems that this sort of posting has become almost the norm on this bb. The attitude that my way is the only way and your way is a load of rubbish and to prove it I will produce caricature of your way which shows how simple minded you are. So those who operate computer controlled stations buy everything and have apparently never built anything in their lives. Cubesats become beepsats which are poorly built and never operate in orbit and the builders don't care. FMsats are the realm of poor operators and the linear sats are the only way to go. LEO,s are a waste of time and HEO is all that matters. etc. etc.
I am old enough to remember when there was such a thing as "The Amateurs Code". Article 4 stated that "Kindly assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others; these are the marks of the amateur spirit." Presumably written at a time when diversity of interests was celebrated and not denigrated. Oh well, I guess I am just living in the past.
73 Alan ZL2BX
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 16:29 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500 John Becker w0jab@big-river.net wrote:
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Standing in your back yard with an FM handie and a homebrew antenna is a great way to communicate, and I'd recommend it to anyone. It takes skill to build a decent aerial, build a diplexer, set it all up and work out where to point. These are skills that anyone can learn, if they choose to. Where's the skill in the "armchair copy" computer-controlled stuff? You buy some aerials, buy the brackets, buy a rotator, buy a CAT cable, buy some proprietary software to drive it, and then plug it together. If you can wave a credit card and click through the install wizard, you're on the air.
Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Yup, it's nice being able to catch up with friends in another country, quickly and easily.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
If you want to sit in front of your computer and have it steer the aerial and do all the tuning, then that's great. You could get the same effect by using Skype.
I honestly cannot see the attraction in HEO satellites, and I *am* old enough to have experienced them when they were working. Maybe there's something subtle I'm missing, I don't know. I just don't get it.
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(Sarcasm alert......)
John,
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets "
Near useless? The FM satellites worked very well for many to make QSOs on the passes I worked on Saturday. Yes, rapid-fire QSOs are the order of the day, but you'll hear the same sort of rapid-fire QSOs next weekend in the CQ WW SSB contest. And..... wait for it... that contest doesn't use the satellites. It's on HF! Many thousands spend that weekend making lots of QSOs, and giving out the same information for each and every QSO. Hams will travel to many different parts of the world, just to be able to say "59 (CQ zone number)" for up to 48 hours on the radio.
As for the W2OY reference... let's see... At 43, I'm not a kid. Some in a local radio club will call me a "kid", since I am a bit younger than the median age of the club members. I'm not a lid, so I guess I must be a space cadet. Do I get a certificate for that? Thanks for clearing that up for me, John. I needed that dose of name-calling on a Monday morning. :-\
Standing in their back yard on a FM HT.
Oh, no! Someone is using an FM HT in their back yard to work a satellite? Heavens, no! Report them to.... ???
I've been doing satellite demonstrations and presentations out here for almost 5 years. Even after being at some of the same hamfests for each of those years, there are still people who do not understand that satellite operating does not require a huge station and lots of $$$ to get started. Yes, you can end up spending a lot of money. It's the same for those on HF, who want to go from a 100W transceiver/dipole station to something with Yagis, a tower, a transceiver with more bells and whistles, maybe an amplifier...
Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
I wasn't on the satellites in the HEO days. It seems like that you would have also heard many of the same people on AO-40, day in and day out. Other than possibly having longer conversations on HEO satellites than you would on LEO satellites, it may have been similar to what you heard on the FM birds. This is a bad thing because..... ???
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
I miss that, and the other HEO satellites. But it's 2011, not 2001, and AO-40 isn't here. It might come back like AO-7 did, but it might be like most ham satellites - once it goes quiet, it stays quiet. Rather than listening to the silence from AO-40, I'll keep on using the satellites that are operational. I'll also continue to make friends as I log more QSOs, keep learning more about this corner of our hobby, and - you've seen this in many of my -BB posts over the past few years - having fun!
I'm looking forward to the presentations about the Fox project at the upcoming AMSAT Symposium. I'll keep going out to hamfests with an AMSAT table, because it is fun to meet people and talk about this corner of our hobby. I'll look forward to other projects like FUNcube and KiwiSat, hoping to have more satellites in whatever orbit to work. Maybe that new Polish satellite I just read about with the FM/SSB transponder will be just as much fun as AO-16 was a couple of years ago. And, yes, I would love to see P3E launched and operational. I would be happy to adapt my portable all-mode station to work that, along with the other satellites.
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/
You will find the same situation on VHF/UHF FM and on VHF/UHF weak signal and the same complaints. I heard the same complaints with regard to the analog sats back in the days of AO-13 -- same guys always on, hogging the pass band, running too much power, etc.
Solution - Try something new for a few weeks or months - HF, PSK31, FM simplex, 6 meter FM, 6 M ssb, 40 meter cw, etc. When you get bored with that, then try the sats again.
Tim AA6DQ
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 10:47:00 -0500 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: w0jab@big-river.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: There's no usable satellites
I got to agree with you.
The FM sat's in my option is near useless with all the "using them famous words of the late W2OY" Just way to many "kids, lids and space cadets " Standing in their back yard on a FM HT. Pass after pass it seems to always to be the same people.
Sure do (still) miss AO-40....
John, W0JAB
At 10:28 AM 10/24/2011, you wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
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I suspended my project to install a satellite beam and rotor because of the state of affairs. I guess I can donate more money but it is hard when the web pages for the current projects do not seem to be updated as much (yes, I know…volunteers). Maybe someone can tell me…
Are there updated, realistic timeframes posted on a website? Is there a fund raising indicate to tell how close of far AMSAT is from their goal to launch the next satellite.?
It appears people want to help.
Case in point…the Project Fox website which was updated last on August 2011 states under the following under Project Status Updates: Watch this space as we progress. That's it. Not even the status updates that were given at Dayton.
Is there no progress? If the project is simply waiting until enough seed money is collected, then would it be possible to show that target? Maybe indicate what has been collected this month, last month, and this year? How far do we have to go? What is the next milestone and what is it waiting upon to start/finish.
I did see a number $800 on the logo where one can donate. Is that how much has been collected?
Non-professional fund raising has ben going on for a long time. Having basic feedback mechanisms encourages people to give. If they see how their contribution will add to a milestone being started/finished, it helps. I know it takes time and resources to do this, but ultimately, the fund raising is a big part I presume.
Now if I am wrong and the project is waiting for a grant or a free rocket ride to either bother, then let's see that status.
Note I read the Project Fox presentation given at Dayton and it did not mention funding targets except to state the obvious that launch costs have gone up. We need real numbers and to see how far it will take to get there. I think more people can rally around the project with some goals in mind.
Regards,
Tom Schaefer, NY4I On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Bato,Andras wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
gl de ha6nn Andras
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bato,Andras bato@starjan.hu wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
I've worked FO-29, AO-27, and AO-51 with my '847.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
Sometimes that happens but, once in a while, I contact a station I've never worked before or reach someone in a new grid square.
I've been on satellites for just over 3 years and I've logged over 340 different stations and over 270 grid squares, making contacts in 5 different countries in North America and Europe. I did that using 7 different birds and the ISS FM repeater.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
I've found that there's always something new I can try over a satellite. This year, I started on SSB and made contacts over AO-7 Mode B, FO-29, and VO-52. I'd like to try AO-7 Mode A if I can get a proper antenna for it.
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:22 PM, B J va6bmj@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bato,Andras bato@starjan.hu wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
I've worked FO-29, AO-27, and AO-51 with my '847.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
Sometimes that happens but, once in a while, I contact a station I've never worked before or reach someone in a new grid square.
I've been on satellites for just over 3 years and I've logged over 340 different stations and over 270 grid squares, making contacts in 5 different countries in North America and Europe. I did that using 7 different birds and the ISS FM repeater.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
I've found that there's always something new I can try over a satellite. This year, I started on SSB and made contacts over AO-7 Mode B, FO-29, and VO-52. I'd like to try AO-7 Mode A if I can get a proper antenna for it.
<snip>
I forgot to add my name and callsign:
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
I think the point is that FO-29 is no longer an option in that list.
Tom Tom Schaefer, NY4I ny4i@arrl.net EL88pb Monitoring EchoLink node KJ4FEC-L 489389 DSTAR Capable APRS: NY4I-15
On Oct 24, 2011, at 12:22 PM, B J wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Bato,Andras bato@starjan.hu wrote:
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
I've worked FO-29, AO-27, and AO-51 with my '847.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
Sometimes that happens but, once in a while, I contact a station I've never worked before or reach someone in a new grid square.
I've been on satellites for just over 3 years and I've logged over 340 different stations and over 270 grid squares, making contacts in 5 different countries in North America and Europe. I did that using 7 different birds and the ISS FM repeater.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
I've found that there's always something new I can try over a satellite. This year, I started on SSB and made contacts over AO-7 Mode B, FO-29, and VO-52. I'd like to try AO-7 Mode A if I can get a proper antenna for it.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bato,Andras" bato@starjan.hu To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] There's no usable satellites
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
gl de ha6nn Andras
Hi Andras,HA6NN
You are one of the only person that agree with me because if you like to talk for more than 5 seconds giving only your call and locator into a lot of QRM on a FM satellites actually for a decent QSO there are no usable satellites except AO-7 and VO-52 and this is why I pull for a HEO satellite like P3-E but every time I did it I receive a lot of insult in AMSAT-BB
I spent a lot of money on satellites according to the long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which promised to provide us with HEO satellites to communicate worldwide much better than in HF.
After AO40 died about then years ago my antennas for the S band and K band are becaming rusty over the roof waiting for the future but....what future if we cannot experiment on worldwide satellite communications using from VHF to the microwave bands ?
Yes you are right writing:"I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead! "
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
Andras, please mail your 847 to me collect. I'll pay the postage
Thanks, Ted K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bato,Andras Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:28 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] There's no usable satellites
Gentlemen,
I have spent too much money on an FT-847!
I had better to buy a well equipped HF transceiver instead!
There is practically no usable satellites -except for AO-7 and VO-52.
The problem is that you can find always the same stations on them.
F2IL is in my log about 300 times...
Spending money on FM satellites were made according to long term plans of IARU, ARRL and AMSAT which had been a dream of handling emergency traffic using hand-held equipment and antenna -as far as I know.
Satellite activity is seriously declining!
gl de ha6nn Andras
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Alan Cresswell -
B J -
Bato,Andras -
Bob Bruninga -
Doug Dietz -
dsp engineer -
Gary "Joe" Mayfield -
Gordon JC Pearce -
i8cvs -
Jeff Welsh -
John Becker -
Michael Schulz -
Patrick STODDARD (WD9EWK/VA7EWK) -
Ted -
Thomas Schaefer -
Tom Schaefer, NY4I