Hello
A while back I had a Linux computer that would listen for the ISS then start sending beacons
Trying to cut back on wildly transmitting all day and night
Has anyone used the raspberry Pi ?
It lends itself nicely to such a beacon project
Listen then beacon for ten minutes
Andrew
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Andrew,
What is the purpose of automatically beaconing when the ISS is in range?
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 9/21/2016 05:49, Andrew Rich wrote:
Hello
A while back I had a Linux computer that would listen for the ISS then start sending beacons
Trying to cut back on wildly transmitting all day and night
Has anyone used the raspberry Pi ?
It lends itself nicely to such a beacon project
Listen then beacon for ten minutes
Andrew
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Fewer unattended beacons would be very welcome by those of us attempting to make QSOs via ISS packet.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-21 08:30, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
Andrew,
What is the purpose of automatically beaconing when the ISS is in range?
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 9/21/2016 05:49, Andrew Rich wrote:
Hello
A while back I had a Linux computer that would listen for the ISS then start sending beacons
Trying to cut back on wildly transmitting all day and night
Has anyone used the raspberry Pi ?
It lends itself nicely to such a beacon project
Listen then beacon for ten minutes
Andrew
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Hi Andrew
It's great to see your interest in QSOs via the ISS.
Maybe Just let your analog computer (brain) do the sending only when you're at the keyboard so that the (limited) channel is (more) clear when you're not at the computer.
I have used Dire Wolf as a software TNC, works fine. Test and prep your station when you're at the keyboard then disable transmission until you return. Unattended beacons when the ground stations can't hear each other causes enough uplink contention already, so a minimalist approach makes things go well.
Think you may find Steve and Clayton eager to enjoy a QSO with you.
Then again, you may tell us you are thinking of doing something beyond just getting unattended packets through the ISS ? (As Clayton also inquires). Something else you're thinking?
Most of all, have Fun !!!
Thanks, Mike W4UOO
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On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Fewer unattended beacons would be very welcome by those of us attempting to make QSOs via ISS packet.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-21 08:30, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
Andrew,
What is the purpose of automatically beaconing when the ISS is in range?
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 9/21/2016 05:49, Andrew Rich wrote:
Hello
A while back I had a Linux computer that would listen for the ISS then start sending beacons
Trying to cut back on wildly transmitting all day and night
Has anyone used the raspberry Pi ?
It lends itself nicely to such a beacon project
Listen then beacon for ten minutes
Andrew
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There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
Andrew
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On 22 Sep 2016, at 19:49, Mike Sprenger [email protected] wrote:
Hi Andrew
It's great to see your interest in QSOs via the ISS.
Maybe Just let your analog computer (brain) do the sending only when you're at the keyboard so that the (limited) channel is (more) clear when you're not at the computer.
I have used Dire Wolf as a software TNC, works fine. Test and prep your station when you're at the keyboard then disable transmission until you return. Unattended beacons when the ground stations can't hear each other causes enough uplink contention already, so a minimalist approach makes things go well.
Think you may find Steve and Clayton eager to enjoy a QSO with you.
Then again, you may tell us you are thinking of doing something beyond just getting unattended packets through the ISS ? (As Clayton also inquires). Something else you're thinking?
Most of all, have Fun !!!
Thanks, Mike W4UOO
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On Sep 21, 2016, at 11:24 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Fewer unattended beacons would be very welcome by those of us attempting to make QSOs via ISS packet.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-21 08:30, Clayton W5PFG wrote:
Andrew,
What is the purpose of automatically beaconing when the ISS is in range?
73 Clayton W5PFG
On 9/21/2016 05:49, Andrew Rich wrote:
Hello
A while back I had a Linux computer that would listen for the ISS then start sending beacons
Trying to cut back on wildly transmitting all day and night
Has anyone used the raspberry Pi ?
It lends itself nicely to such a beacon project
Listen then beacon for ten minutes
Andrew
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On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
Packet and voice different freq
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 00:32, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote: There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Packet can be, and often is, used for QSOs, especially through the ISS.
Steve AI9IN
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Packet and voice different freq
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On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote: There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Trust me guys in Australia here it's just me and the bird
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 00:48, [email protected] wrote:
Packet can be, and often is, used for QSOs, especially through the ISS.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 10:43, Andrew Rich wrote:
Packet and voice different freq
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On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote: There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Hello Andrew,
Many times no one is transmitting via the ISS except unattended beacons here over in the US.
When attended stations want to make a QSO, they must fight to get through the unattended beacons. I'd say there are 4-5 of these stations on almost every pass over my QTH, some transmitting every minute or so. Very annoying. I send them APRS messages but not surprisingly, they're ignored 100% of the time.
Even unattended I-GATE's don't need to beacon via the ISS. If their purpose is to take the RF traffic and send it to the Internet, there is no need for them to advertise on 145.825 MHz.
73 Clayton W5PFG
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Trust me guys in Australia here it's just me and the bird
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 00:48, [email protected] wrote:
Packet can be, and often is, used for QSOs, especially through the ISS.
Steve AI9IN
AMEN
73, K7TRK
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Hello Andrew,
Many times no one is transmitting via the ISS except unattended beacons here over in the US.
When attended stations want to make a QSO, they must fight to get through the unattended beacons. I'd say there are 4-5 of these stations on almost every pass over my QTH, some transmitting every minute or so. Very annoying. I send them APRS messages but not surprisingly, they're ignored 100% of the time.
Even unattended I-GATE's don't need to beacon via the ISS. If their purpose is to take the RF traffic and send it to the Internet, there is no need for them to advertise on 145.825 MHz.
73 Clayton W5PFG
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Trust me guys in Australia here it's just me and the bird
Andrew
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Packet can be, and often is, used for QSOs, especially through the ISS.
Steve AI9IN
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I would love a second station lol !!!!
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 00:48, [email protected] wrote:
Packet can be, and often is, used for QSOs, especially through the ISS.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 10:43, Andrew Rich wrote:
Packet and voice different freq
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 00:32, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote: There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
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Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response ,
I
have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I
am
still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes
on
ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
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wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the
ISS.
Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be
trying to
make that elusive contact.
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To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected] wrote: Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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"To see if I can make it" is fine. But once you see that you have made it, why not leave some air time for other folks?
Why would a person keep transmitting once the person has accomplished his/her purpose?
Steve AI9IN
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To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected] wrote: Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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I too run a Arrow with 5 watts. Interested in making a QSO.
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On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:
"To see if I can make it" is fine. But once you see that you have made it, why not leave some air time for other folks?
Why would a person keep transmitting once the person has accomplished his/her purpose?
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 12:57, Andrew Rich wrote:
To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected] wrote: Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
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Andrew, What you should be doing is try using the onboard packet BBS. That way people could read and send you messages. As you're in a low use ISS area this would be ideal for you and other ISS users...
73 Jeff kb2m
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"To see if I can make it" is fine. But once you see that you have made it, why not leave some air time for other folks?
Why would a person keep transmitting once the person has accomplished his/her purpose?
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 12:57, Andrew Rich wrote:
To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of
transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected]
wrote:
Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me
a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected]
wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Since we are on the subject of pinging, I am at my keyboard trying to make a qso. How often should I send my beacon in order to alert people to me that I am looking for QSO
My Beacon says "AHOY FROM EM29 PSE MSG ME" to indicate i am a real person there to message
Once a minute? shorter? longer?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:
"To see if I can make it" is fine. But once you see that you have made it, why not leave some air time for other folks?
Why would a person keep transmitting once the person has accomplished his/her purpose?
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 12:57, Andrew Rich wrote:
To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e [email protected] w www.tech-software.net [1] m 0419 738 223
On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of
transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected]
wrote:
Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would
do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net [1] m [email protected]
On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response ,
I
have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I
am
still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes
on
ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected]
wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the
ISS.
Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying
to
make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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I'll generally send a CQ, then wait for three or four packets to be received to see if anyone is answering. If I don't see any answers in three to four received packets, I'll send another CQ. I've never timed it, but I'm guessing that it's more than once a minute.
So, it's fairly frequent, but I'm sitting there paying attention and in control of when my packets go out. If I don't get any replies after four or five CQs during the peak of the pass, I'll quit sending to make room for other folks.
Just my opinion, but I don't feel like the frequency of sending is as important as the concept of being attentive to and in control of your transmissions. Transmit, then listen/watch for a reply. Repeat as appropriate for conditions (amount of traffic) and your station's (and the Space Station's) capabilities.
Personally, I don't see a reason for an unattended beacon transmission to the ISS. Probably some folks have come up with a reason. If so, please share.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 13:52, sean fay wrote:
Since we are on the subject of pinging, I am at my keyboard trying to make a qso. How often should I send my beacon in order to alert people to me that I am looking for QSO
My Beacon says "AHOY FROM EM29 PSE MSG ME" to indicate i am a real person there to message
Once a minute? shorter? longer?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:
"To see if I can make it" is fine. But once you see that you have made it, why not leave some air time for other folks?
Why would a person keep transmitting once the person has accomplished his/her purpose?
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 12:57, Andrew Rich wrote:
To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e [email protected] w www.tech-software.net [1] [1 [1]] m 0419 738 223
On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of transmitting at all? 73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected] wrote: Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute Its all good
Andrew
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On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response , I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected] wrote: On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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perfect thank you.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
I'll generally send a CQ, then wait for three or four packets to be received to see if anyone is answering. If I don't see any answers in three to four received packets, I'll send another CQ. I've never timed it, but I'm guessing that it's more than once a minute.
So, it's fairly frequent, but I'm sitting there paying attention and in control of when my packets go out. If I don't get any replies after four or five CQs during the peak of the pass, I'll quit sending to make room for other folks.
Just my opinion, but I don't feel like the frequency of sending is as important as the concept of being attentive to and in control of your transmissions. Transmit, then listen/watch for a reply. Repeat as appropriate for conditions (amount of traffic) and your station's (and the Space Station's) capabilities.
Personally, I don't see a reason for an unattended beacon transmission to the ISS. Probably some folks have come up with a reason. If so, please share.
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 13:52, sean fay wrote:
Since we are on the subject of pinging, I am at my keyboard trying to
make
a qso. How often should I send my beacon in order to alert people to me that I am looking for QSO
My Beacon says "AHOY FROM EM29 PSE MSG ME" to indicate i am a real person there to message
Once a minute? shorter? longer?
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:06 PM, [email protected] wrote:
"To see if I can make it" is fine. But once you see that you have made it, why not leave some air time for other folks?
Why would a person keep transmitting once the person has accomplished his/her purpose?
Steve AI9IN
On 2016-09-22 12:57, Andrew Rich wrote:
To see if I can make it
Why go to the moon ?
Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e [email protected] w www.tech-software.net [1] [1 [1]] m 0419 738 223
On 23 Sep 2016, at 02:49, Paul Stoetzer [email protected] wrote:
If you're the only station out there, then what's the point of
transmitting at all?
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Andrew Rich [email protected]
wrote: Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would
do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net [1] [1 [1]] m [email protected]
On 23 Sep 2016, at 2:25 AM, sean fay [email protected] wrote:
Like my self! Running a precious little 5W HT with an arrow in my front yard!
I've been digipeated, I have sent messages to people with no response ,
I have had messages sent to me, but i have not been able to respond, but I am still waiting for a confirmed QSO. I am Hoping this weekend hold passes on ISS and NO84 me. If you see me look for me ! and shoot me a message.
AA0AN Sean
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Zach Metzinger [email protected]
wrote:
On 09/22/16 05:22, Andrew Rich wrote:
There are maybe one to zero stations on ISS here
No issues with traffic
The point that I think others are trying to make is: Don't use up potential channel time when you're not actively making a QSO with the
ISS. Someone else, who may be using far less power than you do, may be trying to make that elusive contact.
--- Zach N0ZGO
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Are you speaking of total unattended stations?
john
On 9/22/2016 11:44 AM, Andrew Rich wrote:
Guys
Thats why it is a ping box
It waits to hear the space station first and then just does what I would do anyway - send once a minute
Its all good
Andrew
I have done a bit of work with APRS on the Raspberry Pi as a battery powered mobile setup with Xaster. It had a 4in touch screen which made it practical only for emergencies. I think a headless SatGate would be a better use for an RPi. On Sep 21, 2016 6:50 AM, "Andrew Rich" [email protected] wrote:
Hello
A while back I had a Linux computer that would listen for the ISS then start sending beacons
Trying to cut back on wildly transmitting all day and night
Has anyone used the raspberry Pi ?
It lends itself nicely to such a beacon project
Listen then beacon for ten minutes
Andrew
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