Latest SpaceX GEO launch cost.
Hi All, Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite into GEO orbit. The cost is staggering.
Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to...
Bernard, KC9SGV
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I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Hi All, Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS satellite into GEO orbit. The cost is staggering.
Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to...
Bernard, KC9SGV
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The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into orbit. According to https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon 9 to GEO.
But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Hi All, Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
satellite into GEO orbit.
The cost is staggering.
Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to...
Bernard, KC9SGV
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Hi Burns, Interesting link ! Certainly way too expensive for a collective of hams to procure.
I was thinking more about existing infrastructure like the old 1970's U.S. Military coms sats that are now used mostly by Brazilian pirates, it seems.
If us U.S. Hams could be donated some legal bandwidth on these old decaying GEO sats for legal experimental and Emcomm use in the interim, why not ? After all, we paid for these with our tax dollars. Of course the uplink and downlink frequencies would presumably not be in the existing ham bands. But Emcomm and emergency use per the FCC could be legal...maybe. Another tool in our ham toolbox. Like having old, modified military radios in your ham shack for ham band use. See those at hamfests, all the time.
Maybe AMSAT NA has pursued this angle already.
Just wondering.
Bernard, KC9SGV
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On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into orbit. According to https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon 9 to GEO.
But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote: Hi All, Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
satellite into GEO orbit.
The cost is staggering.
Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to...
Bernard, KC9SGV
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Lunar Gateway. What a cool idea. 5 and dime up and down, maybe. Useable whenever you can see the moon. Just point and send... I am all for that.
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On Aug 9, 2019, at 9:04 AM, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into orbit. According to https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon 9 to GEO.
But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote: Hi All, Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
satellite into GEO orbit.
The cost is staggering.
Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to...
Bernard, KC9SGV
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On 2019-08-09 10:54 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Useable whenever you can see the moon.
Something like EME is now ??
Bill,
I am going to guess you were just making a funny as EME really isn't all that expensive anymore. And it is a lot of fun! I like t think of it as "working OSCAR Zero!" And far as I know battery life and orbital debris regulations are not an issue
Johnny
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 1:00 PM Bill Booth via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
On 2019-08-09 10:54 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Useable whenever you can see the moon.
Something like EME is now ??
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What "really isn't all that expensive anymore" for some is way out-of-budget for others.
Steve AI9IN
On 2019-08-10 9:42 pm, John Kludt via AMSAT-BB wrote:
-- Bill Booth VE3NXK Sundridge ON, Canada 79.23.37 W x 45.46.18 N FN05ns
Bill,
I am going to guess you were just making a funny as EME really isn't all that expensive anymore. And it is a lot of fun! I like t think of it as "working OSCAR Zero!" And far as I know battery life and orbital debris regulations are not an issue
Johnny
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 1:00 PM Bill Booth via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
On 2019-08-09 09:04, Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB wrote:
The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into orbit.
Looks like we have our price, folks. I'll be the first to chip in $25.
Only $249999975 to go.
:-)
--- Zach N0ZGO
That was also an expended rocket, mainly due to customer wanting to preserve more satellite propellant for station keeping in the future. A payload on a landable F9 is typically cheaper, so I'm not sure much can be gleaned from that article.
Ryan, NF0T
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:05 AM Burns Fisher via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
The $250 million satellite cost in the article INCLUDED getting into orbit. According to https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/spacex-price.gif, the SpaceX price to GTO was $62Million in 2016, but that still counts as staggering. Of course this is for a dedicated launch. As a secondary payload it would be less but still way more than the cost to LEO (which some might call affordable :-) ) And if you have followed the Virginia Tech work with AMSAT, there has been an attempt to share a satellite in geosynchronous orbit, but no luck yet. Most commercial companies are not too interested in adding risk or mass to their satellites (notice that the AMOS satellite take up pretty nearly the full mass capability of the Falcon 9 to GEO.
But how about an ARISS ham package on the Lunar Gateway? Now that's going to be cool, and looks like it could really happen!
73,
Burns WB1FJ
On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 9:51 AM Joe via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I read that article twice, and I do not see any mention as the cost from Space X to put the Sat into orbit. All I see if the cost of the Sat only. Nothing about what it cost to get it into orbit.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/9/2019 8:31 AM, KC9SGV via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Hi All, Just saw this latest effort by SpaceX to launch the Israeli AMOS
satellite into GEO orbit.
The cost is staggering.
Maybe we should go with somehow securing transponder bandwidth on
existing GEO satellites as an alternative ?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-launch-today-live-stream-falcon-9-set-to...
Bernard, KC9SGV
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