Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award #500
Hi Bruce et al,
I also think that numbered awards should be issued based on the order in which they were received.
Hiram Percy Maxim (the original W1AW) once said that "the most important information on a piece of paper is its date". That should apply to awards as well.
73,
Jim, ND9M / VQ9JC
Message: 13 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:03:37 +0000 From: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement ??? Award #500 To: [email protected], "[email protected]" [email protected] Cc: Bruce [email protected]
Hey Bruce (and all),
I would prefer that AMSAT issue awards numbered to represent the order in which they were received.
I believe doing otherwise to be inappropriate because it does not accurately reflect the true history of the award.
Is anyone aware of a precedent like this involving another award - that is, that No. XXX of an award may actually not represent the XXXth application received? Something about that just doesn't seem right to me.
I know that if I was submitting the 500th application - and, of course, only the awards administrator would know whether I actually WAS - I would be upset to learn that I would not be getting that 500th award - especially if someone who applied after me was awarded it.
One final queston - has the AMSAT Board blessed this? I'll definitely stand corrected if appropriate, but it occurs to me that any action that would alter in any way the official statistical record of an award should at least have board review, if not formal action of approval.
My apologies to anyone who's offended by my stated preference to maintain an accurate historical record.
73 to all,
Tim - N3TL -------------- Original message from Bruce [email protected]: --------------
I am ready to issue AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award number 490 today. What I am going to do so that a group of people have the opportunity of receiving number 500 is this....
The next 20 that submit for this award (including the one I just received) will be stacked in the order that they were submitted. After all 20 are here (numbers 490-509) I will have Mahana, W5BTS, select one of the call signs out of a hat. That person will receive certificate number 500. Everyone else will then get their certificate in the order they submitted. (Hmmmm... Mahana never submitted for this award, could she pull her own call?)
The lucky operator could be you. But only if you submit an application for the AMSAT Satellite Communications Achievement Award. This award is available to hams worldwide. You do not need to be a member of AMSAT. Rules for the award can be found at the AMSAT http://www.amsat.org Click on Contests and Awards in the left margin.
Scanned QSL cards emailed to me is the best way to submit for the award. JPG files are preferred. PDF and DOC files are fine just larger in size.
This might take a month or two depending on how quickly the submissions arrive so be patient as your certificate will not mail until the last one is received. I will let you know via email that I have received your submission. I will let everyone know when the 20 entries have been received and you will have no more than 3 days from then to make payment for the award at the AMSAT online store (payment may be made earlier if you desire). Lucky number 500 will be issued and all certificates will go in the mail.
73...bruce AMSAT Director Contest and Awards
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Bruce Paige, KK5DO
AMSAT Director Contests and Awards
ARRL Awards Manager (WAS, 5BWAS, VUCC), VE
For all who think the AMSAT awards process should be changed:
I can get away with saying it, so I will -- your elected officials have to be nicer, I suppose. (If that's the type of officials you vote for... I'll add with a grin.)
I didn't see any volunteers to do the job. Or in the more modern vernacular: "Step up, or step off."
For those so inclined, a Biblical phrase might also suffice: "Don't muzzle the ox while he's treading out the grain." In other words... Bruce is doing the job. Anyone thinks they can do it better, should talk to Bruce about their perfect migration plan to take it over and make their AMAZING sales pitch about how they'll make things better by at least an order of magnitude. (In other words, you better fix ALL the problems while you're at it, or it isn't worth the change.)
Volunteer organizations exist because people volunteer. Not because they complain about the organization or the processes the organization uses. If all it took was votes to run a country... or AMSAT... or anything...
Hams complain too much. I recently started seeing this when I started spending more time AWAY from Ham Radio and in a completely different hobby "crowd". Seriously. That group throws breakfasts that are open to the public, they invite people to come see what they're doing almost EVERY weekend (not just "Field Day"), etc. Yes, there are some ham groups that do this... AMSAT is one of the best at trying to "get the word out" that Amateur Radio & Satellites is fun.
As President of a much smaller Ham group than AMSAT, I know the ratio is about 40:1. How do I know? 400 members in my organization, 10 that actually do any work. MAYBE another 10 if I'm lucky and beg a lot... so we'll call it 20:1. 19 "whiners in their recliners" and 1 person working to make it better actually works, but just barely. I appreciate the membership dues greatly from the 19, but I value that ONE person out of that 19 more than anything else in the organization. If the 19 complain and none step up to fill the one's shoes, that one pretty much gets to do things as they see fit, unless 10 of the 19 walk away because of it.
How many members in AMSAT? How many working on for for AMSAT? In a volunteer organization, you either complain about stuff, or fix it yourself... there's really only two choices when it comes down to it.
More interestingly in this whole thing: Only 500 awards total?! That in itself was a shocker to me... maybe I don't know the history (timeline) of the award, or maybe it's just a sign that only 500 people have ever bothered. I know I haven't...
I'm an ardent fan of aerospace and everything about it (hint: The "other group" is the General Aviation community... you know, those much-maligned "small planes" that seem to magically have just started "making noise" when their airport that used to be miles from anyone, is suddenly surrounded by a wave of idiots... ahem... nice homeowners who built underneath the airport's traffic pattern? Yeah, they go BEGGING for people to come out to the airport, go flying, bring the kids out, eat some free pancakes, and see what's going on. EVERY good weather day in the summer there's a group somewhere within a few hour's drive doing a fly-in, a breakfast, a public good-will event. Hams? Field Day. Once a year. And a hamfest or two.)
Anyway... as one of my friends would say, "Good on you, Bruce. Don't let the bastards get you down!" (Not implying anyone in the conversation here is a bastard... it's just my friend's phrase. Feel free to NOT do the standard Internet "thing" and read more into that than was meant. You can't hear the funny accent or get the slap on the back from my friend that would go along with it, from an e-mail, trying to cheer you up!)
Thanks Bruce, and thanks to AMSAT for being there. Some of us out here know EXACTLY what it's like to volunteer -- others just wish for a better life, instead of making their own. A lot of that going on in Washington's sales pitches these days, too. I think it's WAY cool to tell someone... "Did you know I could walk out to the Jeep with you and sometime in the next hour or so, we could talk through a satellite to someone else doing the same thing somewhere else in the country? Free?" That always boggles people's minds... if they really "get it" about any of the costs or operational issues with putting a satellite in orbit. Even those who don't -- still are somewhat amazed.
Let's focus on THEM and not what pieces of paper with dates and numbers we can put on the wall. I VHF contest to win, but if someone new shows up at our contest site, they're ALWAYS given some time at the rigs... even if it slows our "Q rate" down and we lose a notch in the standings, at least we go home knowing EVERYONE got to play, and we had fun. Isn't that the point of a hobby where we drag three trailers, one for towers, one for a communications/operating trailer, and at least one camper trailer to sleep in, sometimes two... to the top of a cow-pasture (literally) in Eastern Colorado to call "CQ" once a summer?
Another ham I originally mentored, but as all things... they end up teaching you something too... said once... "I'm having fun. Are you?" He's also ordering a bumper sticker, "If it isn't fun. Stop doing it." :-) Trust me, if you do that... you'll drive those who are incapable of having fun, even when they have all the ingredients... crazy. Utterly crazy.
By the way, that new ham I mentored... was my dad. And he has more fun with his gear than I've EVER had. What a great example he sets...
Awards? Contests? Not his thing. Catching something rare or interesting on the bands and talking to them for a few minutes... makes his whole day. He has more DX logged already than I ever have, MOBILE. In the bottom of the sun-spot cycle.
So, folks... if AMSAT Awards and/or how they're administered aren't FUN for you -- just move on and operate. Take it a little less seriously... and leave folks who do a GREAT job like Bruce to do the jobs they enjoy. (Trust me, if he didn't enjoy doing it, he wouldn't be. It's too much work and too little thanks to deal with that 20:1 ratio. Believe me... or volunteer to walk in his shoes. But please... only volunteer if you ENJOY the work. Ham radio's joyless enough already as it is. For some of you. NOT ME!)
Havin' a blast on the radio here... and I don't care about Bruce's method of picking some numbers for some wallpaper... THANKS TO MY DAD FOR POINTING OUT A BETTER WAY TO VIEW THE *HOBBY*.
73,
Nate WY0X -- Nate Duehr [email protected]
My two cents worth.
I fully agree with Tim's original response in that the numbers should be as accurate as possible and not drawn "lottery style".
I also think that Bruce should maybe have not said anything at all as the potential implosion and current bickering about this could have been avoided by Bruce not saying anything and we would all have been blissfully unaware and got on with life :-D
Nate's comments about volunteering (as well as Barry's comments about the same at the AMSAT Forum at Dayton this past weekend) bring up another issue though. Has the volunteer page on the website been fixed yet and for the (at least) three members (including myself) that's I know of, who have offered our services over the last 6 or so months, had our information stored?; will it be actioned and how many others have volunteered to help but heard nothing in return or been the victim of the websites broken links.
Yes I know the website is maintained by a volunteer, sort of a a catch 22 isn't it?
73
David KG4ZLB
Nate Duehr wrote:
I didn't see any volunteers to do the job. Or in the more modern vernacular: "Step up, or step off."
Volunteer organizations exist because people volunteer. Not because they complain about the organization or the processes the organization uses. If all it took was votes to run a country... or AMSAT... or anything...
How many members in AMSAT? How many working on for for AMSAT? In a volunteer organization, you either complain about stuff, or fix it yourself... there's really only two choices when it comes down to it.
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