On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 14:51 +0000, w6zkh@comcast.net wrote:

I recently obtained a pair of KLM yagi's for satellite work. They both have the KLM polarity switching box mounted and wired up. Since I havent put them up yet, and not well versed in the subject, I got out my ohm meter just to see what was what on this item. I noticed that both driven elements have continuty to the center pin of the coax at the same time. I was under the impression that the relay switched back and forth the driven elements to give either RH or LH polarity. I havent applied the 12 volts to the box yet to check that out, but was just curious. One thing I have noticed while using the downlink yagi is that I get very little fade due to polarity when I turn the antenna. I hope that is a good thing?? I havent checked the uplink yagi to see if it has the same results.

I hope someone can enlighten me abit.

If it's circular-polarised then both elements should be wired, with one going through a 1/4-wavelength loop of wire. That way, the 90-degree rotation of the circular polarised signal translates into a 90-degree phase shift between the horizontal and vertical elements.

Imagine trying to thread a corkscrew through the elements along the length of the boom, and you'll get it.

Gordon 2M0YEQ

Hi John, W6ZKH

The 2 meters KLM antenna uses two crossed folded dipoles wich are spaced 1/4 wavelength in air over the boom so that to get circular polarization no coax delay lines are necessary. Each folded dipole has a wounded coax balun with ratio 4/1 wich is made with 1/2 electrical wavelength of 50 ohm coax cable RG 303 to transform the balanced impedance of 200 ohm of the folded dipole into a 50 ohm unbalanced impedance at the output of balun. The phasing harness coming out from the plastic barrel is made with two maching lines of 75 ohm coax cable type RG 302 and they are both 1/4 electrical wavelenght long. Each maching line of 75 ohm transforms the 50 ohm impedance of the dipole to about 100 ohm into the barrel but two 100 ohm in parallel becomes 50 ohm as seen from the coax line connected to the barrel PL connector and going down to the shack. The 75 ohm line connected to the polarization switching relay is also 1/4 electrical wavelenght long but including the electrical lenght of the relay itself. To switch polarization from RHCP to LHCP the relay only switches the inner conductor of it's 75 ohm coax cable from one to the other stud i.e. from one to the other screw of the same folded dipole.

The 70 cm KLM antenna uses the same basic criteria but to switch polarization from RHCP to LHCP the relay add to one folded dipole a 1/2 wavelenght delay line wich is included into the aluminum box and is made with a 50 ohm strip line over a fiberglass printed circuit.

I hope this helps.

73" de

i8CVS Domenico

----- Original Message ----- From: w6zkh@comcast.net To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Polarity switching question

I recently obtained a pair of KLM yagi's for satellite work. They both

have the KLM polarity switching box mounted and wired up. Since I havent put them up yet, and not well versed in the subject, I got out my ohm meter just to see what was what on this item. I noticed that both driven elements have continuty to the center pin of the coax at the same time. I was under the impression that the relay switched back and forth the driven elements to give either RH or LH polarity. I havent applied the 12 volts to the box yet to check that out, but was just curious. One thing I have noticed while using the downlink yagi is that I get very little fade due to polarity when I turn the antenna. I hope that is a good thing?? I havent checked the uplink yagi to see if it has the same results.

I hope someone can enlighten me abit.

73 de John W6ZKH

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Thanks to all who have replied to my message concerning switching polarity. I think I understand it now, somewhat ! While in Las Vegas yesterday, stopped at AES and picked up the Satellite Handbook by ARRL, and that gave a good description of it and other items I need to learn also. Thanks again to all.

John W6ZKH

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: w6zkh@comcast.net To: "amsat-bb" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 7:51:30 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] Polarity switching question

I recently obtained a pair of KLM yagi's for satellite work. They both have the KLM polarity switching box mounted and wired up. Since I havent put them up yet, and not well versed in the subject, I got out my ohm meter just to see what was what on this item. I noticed that both driven elements have continuty to the center pin of the coax at the same time. I was under the impression that the relay switched back and forth the driven elements to give either RH or LH polarity. I havent applied the 12 volts to the box yet to check that out, but was just curious. One thing I have noticed while using the downlink yagi is that I get very little fade due to polarity when I turn the antenna. I hope that is a good thing?? I havent checked the uplink yagi to see if it has the same results.

I hope someone can enlighten me abit.

73 de John W6ZKH

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