What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
--Peter, KD7MW
Hi Peter,
This is the one million dollar question ...
73 Jan PE0SAT
On 29-08-2013 08:58, Peter Klein wrote:
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical. In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal rates on test flights. Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
--Peter, KD7MW _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example, TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical. In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal rates on test flights. Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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I am a outsider looking in, so don't take this wrong, but I've also noticed this problem, not just here, but at other sites that I watch.
As the editor of Keep America At Work I believe the solution is simple, but you may not agree with me, and it is not my intent to tick you off if that happens.
The solution I believe is to give all of the volunteers access to the wordpress platform with a user level of contributor
--- Summary of Roles Super Admin - somebody with access to the site network administration features and all other features. See the Create a Network article. Administrator - somebody who has access to all the administration features within a single site. Editor - somebody who can publish and manage posts including the posts of other users. Author - somebody who can publish and manage their own posts. Contributor - somebody who can write and manage their own posts but cannot publish them. Subscriber - somebody who can only manage their profile. ---
You will then move the bottleneck from getting articles to having an editor that will approve, and publish them which will greatly simplify the process.
Sure, this will require the editor(s) to preview the articles, and release them, but I'm betting that is a very manageable task.
I'm not up to speed on the amsat community and my financial situation is not good without work, so I'm probably not a good candidate for the editor/publisher role, but I will guarantee you that I can get the site up to date and current asap if I were.
Sometimes we focus so much on the infrastructure that we lose site of the fact that our mission is to get the message to the people as the people could care less about the infrastructure
My two cents only, and if I'm out of place, let me know and I will shut up.
Virgil N5IVV Keep America At Work
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; Peter Klein Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example, TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical. In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal rates on test flights. Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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Well Paul,
If you think about it. We might still have a few thousand folks left that are still members of one or more AMSATs. Maybe 10% or less are active at all. For example, the last two passes (a few minutes ago) on SO-50 (2 active). FO-29 (2 active). So, the big question for me is why would anyone spend $10Million for a few hundred folks (or less) to chat on a HEO satellite. The answer for me is simple: No one!
The key is to find additional incentives (PR, payloads, science etc) which Amsat is doing by focusing on STEM, working with universities and looking at new and innovative ways. That's the same route AMSAT-DL has been trying for years. Unfortunately, with all their efforts their own government did not even support them.
Also, if you look at the current funding stream from NASA, ESA and others. For example, $1 Million will support a multitude of cubesats in LEO helping students and universities everywhere. ESA supports HamTV on the ISS. Why, because it is great PR, connects thousands of students and classrooms to the astronauts and builds future human capacity in science and engineering. Bottom line: It is all in the package and ragchewing hams is the least attractive :-)
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example, TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical. In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal rates on test flights. Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/29/2013 8:40 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example, TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical. In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal rates on test flights. Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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For AMSAT-NA, I believe ITAR prohibits us from pursuing such opportunities.
Jerry N0JY
On 8/29/2013 9:34 AM, Joe wrote:
Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 8/29/2013 8:40 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote:
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch.
Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and coordinated worldwide fundraising campaign could get it done. However, the website includes the following sentence:
"The P3E-satellite should be ready for launch by mid-2007."
http://www.p3e-satellite.org/en_EN/amsat.html
Who's going to donate to a project when the website hasn't even been updated in over six years? I see it mentioned often that P3E is "essentially ready to go." If that's the case, why not press forward. As a relative newcomer, I'm often frustrated about the lack of updates about anything and websites that are wildly out of date. I know that everyone is a volunteer and busy with other things, but would it be so difficult to send out an update about what's going on once in a while? For example, TurkSat-3USAT was launched back in April. There have been absolutely no updates from anyone about what happened. Obviously the beacon is not transmitting and the transponder is not on, but what happened? Is there hope for recovery? If it has failed, the entire community could benefit from knowledge about what has happened so that similar failures don't happen in the future. Then there is AO-27. The website was last updated in January saying it will be several months before they know if the satellite can be recovered. A quick update would be appreciated, even if it's something like: "Due to time constraints, we haven't been able to attempt recovery."
Things like this lead to the perception that this aspect of the hobby is dying. There is very little traffic on this reflector and not too much traffic on other web forums for amateur satellite operation. (See the QRZ forum topic "Is AMSAT dead?") I know there's always a lot going on "behind the scenes," but the lack of conversation and updates about what's going on doesn't really encourage hams to get involved or make donations.
73,
Paul, N8HM Washington, DC
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked.
AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem: $5M - $10M launch costs to HEO. Even a super discount rate of $1M would be impractical. In the old days, we could beg, borrow, and barter for launches at nominal rates on test flights. Unfortunately, the launch industry has matured, and can find buyers for even the smallest spaces and mass. Sometimes counties can get what I think of as National Prestige Rates for a first launch, but those days are largely behind us. Personally, I am confident that AMSAT-DL will fly their satellite, but it is clear that future HEOs will be few and far between.
That is the highly abbreviated answer.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Peter Klein Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 1:59 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 09:34:41AM -0500, Joe wrote:
Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
I said ages ago we should be looking at Iran for inexpensive rides to LEO at least today, maybe HEO tomorrow. They've actually managed to successfully fly a couple of sats, unlike North Korea.
How manny Amateur Radio whole world can join this Challenge?
What about: http://www.kickstarter.com
???
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Gordon JC Pearce gordonjcp@gjcp.netwrote:
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 09:34:41AM -0500, Joe wrote:
Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
I said ages ago we should be looking at Iran for inexpensive rides to LEO at least today, maybe HEO tomorrow. They've actually managed to successfully fly a couple of sats, unlike North Korea.
-- Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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Gordon,
Some of the new players may well be sources of affordable launches. They will be looking to build credibility as a launch provider, and will probably be willing to take payloads on a Good Will basis.
From an American standpoint, most of the new guys are on prohibited lists, and will remain so even
when the new ITAR rules are promulgated. The situation is little better for non-US AMSATs. Iran, and the Norks, are on similar international lists, so it is not just us. In some cases, there are significant penalties for dealing with them, now. Depending on world events, that may be some time in changing. :)
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:03 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 09:34:41AM -0500, Joe wrote:
Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care.
I said ages ago we should be looking at Iran for inexpensive rides to LEO at least today, maybe HEO tomorrow. They've actually managed to successfully fly a couple of sats, unlike North Korea.
From: Joe nss@mwt.net Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans?
There are a very limited number of organisations that have the capability of launching payloads into HEO. The USA, Russian Federation, ESA, India and Beijing can do it but that's it. Some others can launch very small payloads into very low orbits but that's all they can do. Very low orbits (e.g. 300 km) are currently of no use to us (that may change with Ion motor development.
Beijing like the other providers charge market prices for their launches and launch prices have been steady rising over the last few years because demand for launches is exceeding supply. It can now cost $100,000 just to get a 1 kg CubeSat into a low 650 km orbit.
It's not just P3E that is affected, KiwiSat, which has a 435/145 linear transponder, has been built for some time but is sitting on the ground. Apparently it needs $1 million to get into a launch into a low 650 km orbit.
BTW KiwiSat issued a status update on August 13, you can see it at http://www.kiwisat.org.nz/status.html
73 Trevor M5AKA
Add Japan to that list as well.
73, Drew KO4MA
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On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:35 AM, M5AKA m5aka@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
The USA, Russian Federation, ESA, India and Beijing can do it but that's it.
Hi Peter, KD7MW
I also really miss AO-10, AO-13 and particularly AO40 and I losted a lot of money to get ready in all modes for AO40 but actually after 10 years that AO40 died my antennas are becoming rusty and metal scrap over the roof.
Sorry,it was nice until lasted but in my opinion there is no chance and no way to get a new HEO satellite in the time to come for many years almost for me......... 81 years old !
Amen !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" pklein@threshinc.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:58 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] High orbit satellites?
What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite interest is live communication with faraway places, and I really miss those Molnya birds.
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