Re: [amsat-bb] HEO/Elliptical [was: AMSAT-NA solution: DX (HEO) to attract more interest and revenue]
What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts? Clean room time? Payload space? Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours, Ev, W2EV
I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to money or some amazing negotiating skills.
Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and I often am).
--Roy K3RLD
Roy,
My humble comment about your relevant questions (I have no answer for these).
All always think money first and about other hurdles. What we need (the worldwide HAM community) is just a strong common vision, the rest (including money will follow).
E.g. Apollo moon landing success was made just by the vision of a strong leader (and surely the team behind him) who federate a nation (US) behind same.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts? Clean room time? Payload space? Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours, Ev, W2EV
I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to money or some amazing negotiating skills.
Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and I often am).
--Roy K3RLD _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I use money to acquire things that I don't have the personal skill, tools, contacts, influence, energy, etc. to get any other way. Let's shift gears...
Let's focus on what needs to be accomplished in order to get a "highly elliptical" satellite flying. Ask ourselves, "Item-by-item, step-by-step, "What does it take to put one "up there" and managed?"" Then, ask ourselves, "What do we already have in place or available 'for the asking'?" Once that is identified, we focus on the stuff that is left. We *actively* and publicly solicit help to close that gap by transparently and openly telling everyone what is needed to be successful. Then, the power of "the crowd" kicks in. People will have/have-access-to/know someone and fill in many of the "holes". Whatever remains becomes a targeted public funding campaign with a concrete cost and known outcome.
Hey...this approach worked for AO-40, if you'll remember.
Ev, W2EV
On Monday, July 29, 2019, 11:49:18 AM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts? Clean room time? Payload space? Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours, Ev, W2EV
I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to money or some amazing negotiating skills.
Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and I often am).
--Roy K3RLD _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Ev,
Very interesting debate which will hopefully lead to some strategy for the future of satellite operations.
I fully agree with all your comments except for one thing, elliptical is a half solution, those who are enjoying QO-100 will surely agree. Let’s think big, GEO.
My one cent input.
73
Jean Marc (3B8DU)
On Jul 29, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I use money to acquire things that I don't have the personal skill, tools, contacts, influence, energy, etc. to get any other way. Let's shift gears...
Let's focus on what needs to be accomplished in order to get a "highly elliptical" satellite flying. Ask ourselves, "Item-by-item, step-by-step, "What does it take to put one "up there" and managed?"" Then, ask ourselves, "What do we already have in place or available 'for the asking'?" Once that is identified, we focus on the stuff that is left. We *actively* and publicly solicit help to close that gap by transparently and openly telling everyone what is needed to be successful. Then, the power of "the crowd" kicks in. People will have/have-access-to/know someone and fill in many of the "holes". Whatever remains becomes a targeted public funding campaign with a concrete cost and known outcome.
Hey...this approach worked for AO-40, if you'll remember.
Ev, W2EV
On Monday, July 29, 2019, 11:49:18 AM EDT, Roy Dean via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
What needs to be donated? Technical expertise? Parts? Ground transportation? Meeting rooms? Negotiation skill? Political contacts? Clean room time? Payload space? Everyone always thinks "money". (As much) money isn't needed if "what money buys" is available for negotiation, barter, or "in the store house awaiting donation". What are the top barriers? Inquiringly yours, Ev, W2EV
I think, in this case, the top barrier, by FAR, is MONEY. The ride to geostationary or HEO is the biggest barrier. The way I see it, there are two solutions: Buy a ride, or mooch a ride. So again, it's down to money or some amazing negotiating skills.
Somebody more in tuned with this endeavor will correct me if I'm wrong (and I often am).
--Roy K3RLD _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Roy Dean