Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
Steve Kristoff AI9IN
Thanks!
Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-)
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
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Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project is already available? What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would take this huge amount of money.
Wouter PA3WEG
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener [email protected] wrote:
Thanks!
Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-)
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
APRS
tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
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I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up company/project. If they want to produce these things in large quantities then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that for them.
I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one of these on your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could even think about putting one of these things together.
This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology without a lot of hassle and expense.
This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project is already available? What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would take this huge amount of money.
Wouter PA3WEG
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Agree,
He also wants to have the boards populated automatically to get away from hand-soldering all the SMDs. Yes, the board layout and files are available for free (open source) on his website including the source code (open source) for the Arduino he is using. Actually very transparent operation and yes, a simple email to Mike about his project will result in a very quick response back.
73, Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up company/project. If they want to produce these things in large quantities then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that for them.
I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one of these on your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could even think about putting one of these things together.
This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology without a lot of hassle and expense.
This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project is already available? What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would take this huge amount of money.
Wouter PA3WEG
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener [email protected] wrote:
Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan, VE4NSA On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
APRS
tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
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Thanks Stefan,
That was not at all clear from a glance through the page. Normally I expect a section what the money is for and this page does not have that at all.
I was just wondering why it needs 22000 instead of, say, 1000 for two prototypes. But if they need a pick and place machine set up, I guess this number is needed to pay for the machines minimum batch.
Wouter
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Wagener [email protected] wrote:
Agree,
He also wants to have the boards populated automatically to get away from hand-soldering all the SMDs. Yes, the board layout and files are available for free (open source) on his website including the source code (open source) for the Arduino he is using. Actually very transparent operation and yes, a simple email to Mike about his project will result in a very quick response back.
73, Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up company/project. If they want to produce these things in large quantities then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that for them.
I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one of these on your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could even think about putting one of these things together.
This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology without a lot of hassle and expense.
This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this project is already available? What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would take this huge amount of money.
Wouter PA3WEG
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener [email protected] wrote:
Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan, VE4NSA On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
APRS
tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
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Yeah pick and place on two PCBA's will be hundreds of dollars per board for just placement. Pick and place on hundreds of boards will be a few dollars per board. Even this kickstarter is considered small quantities. making several hundred of them is peanuts in comparison to board house production runs!
Bryce
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Wouter Weggelaar [email protected] wrote:
Thanks Stefan,
That was not at all clear from a glance through the page. Normally I expect a section what the money is for and this page does not have that at all.
I was just wondering why it needs 22000 instead of, say, 1000 for two prototypes. But if they need a pick and place machine set up, I guess this number is needed to pay for the machines minimum batch.
Wouter
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Stefan Wagener [email protected] wrote:
Agree,
He also wants to have the boards populated automatically to get away from hand-soldering all the SMDs. Yes, the board layout and files are
available
for free (open source) on his website including the source code (open source) for the Arduino he is using. Actually very transparent operation and yes, a simple email to Mike about his project will result in a very quick response back.
73, Stefan, VE4NSA
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 7:54 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I don't think that $22,000 dollars is that much money for a start up company/project. If they want to produce these things in large
quantities
then they will need to invest in equipment or hire someone to do that
for
them.
I'm sure that the hardware is already available if you want to build one of these on your own. But I'm not that smart. I'd need to spend a year learning more stuff about computers and APRS protocol before I could
even
think about putting one of these things together.
This will also be good for science teachers (like me) and radio clubs that want to help science teachers introduce students to technology
without
a lot of hassle and expense.
This seems like a worthwhile project to me.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-05 07:32, Wouter Weggelaar wrote:
Can someone tell me why this needs 22000 dollars when most of this
project
is already available? What am I missing here? I can for the life of me not see why this would take this huge amount of money.
Wouter PA3WEG
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:24 AM, Stefan Wagener [email protected]
wrote:
Thanks! Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-) Stefan,
VE4NSA
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source
APRS
tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than
a
pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
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I just wish he gave more details. especially estimated price when ready. at least. Power? Freq agility etc. Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 11/4/2015 9:24 PM, Stefan Wagener wrote:
Thanks!
Yes, supported it already. It is a great project especially for schools and groups. Please support it and make it happen :-)
Stefan, VE4NSA
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
Steve Kristoff AI9IN
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Joe,
Some of those questions are answered on this page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
Dave-KB1PVH
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The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an abomination to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Joe,
Some of those questions are answered on this page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
Dave-KB1PVH
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Well they used "one minute" to give a battery life example:
"It is able to report location, altitude, temperature pressure and humidity to the internet once a minute for twelve hours with 2xAA batteries."
Someone contact them?
John, KG4AKV
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an abomination to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Webb KB1PVH Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM To: Joe Cc: AMSAT -BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Joe,
Some of those questions are answered on this page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
Dave-KB1PVH
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Bob,
You may want to share your very valid concerns with the developer of the project (Mike Bales, KI6VBK) who can be reached here:
SInce he's part of the group that has developed the hardware and the code, and since it's open source, it should be possible to have the path and beacon rate set properly, as long as they know what to do.
73, Bob, WB4SON
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an abomination to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Webb KB1PVH Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM To: Joe Cc: AMSAT -BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Joe,
Some of those questions are answered on this page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
Dave-KB1PVH
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The entire idea is that it's open source... so even if the standard code in the repository complies it will not stop anyone from changing it to be 1 per second or 1 per decade... i.e you get my point.
Bryce
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Bob [email protected] wrote:
Bob,
You may want to share your very valid concerns with the developer of the project (Mike Bales, KI6VBK) who can be reached here:
SInce he's part of the group that has developed the hardware and the code, and since it's open source, it should be possible to have the path and beacon rate set properly, as long as they know what to do.
73, Bob, WB4SON
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an abomination to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave
Webb
KB1PVH Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM To: Joe Cc: AMSAT -BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Joe,
Some of those questions are answered on this page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
Dave-KB1PVH
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It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail.
73 W9KE Tom Doyle
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Bryce Salmi [email protected] wrote:
The entire idea is that it's open source... so even if the standard code in the repository complies it will not stop anyone from changing it to be 1 per second or 1 per decade... i.e you get my point.
Bryce
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Bob [email protected] wrote:
Bob,
You may want to share your very valid concerns with the developer of the project (Mike Bales, KI6VBK) who can be reached here:
SInce he's part of the group that has developed the hardware and the
code,
and since it's open source, it should be possible to have the path and beacon rate set properly, as long as they know what to do.
73, Bob, WB4SON
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga [email protected]
wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave
Webb
KB1PVH Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 9:34 AM To: Joe Cc: AMSAT -BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
Joe,
Some of those questions are answered on this page.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/description
Dave-KB1PVH
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It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system
Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail.
73 W9KE Tom Doyle
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
As technology and access to technology also progresses so should the network supporting it.
On Friday, November 6, 2015, Robert Bruninga [email protected] wrote:
It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system
Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected] javascript:;] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail.
73 W9KE Tom Doyle
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 11/6/2015 9:19 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system
Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter
It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail.
73 W9KE Tom Doyle
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency.
Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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If I get one of these things, I would like to do it right and not screw up the network. What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? I assume it's posted somewhere, but a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a newbie like me.
If these things get popular maybe a set of standards could be posted on the AMSAT and APRS websites.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-06 10:36, Joe wrote:
with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?
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use. It is an abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for bringing that to the group's attention.
Seems like a decent project to me, and not the first one I've funded. So I'm in for one of the ready to go devices.
Hope it gets completely funded.
73, Bob, WB4SON
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Steve Kristoff [email protected] wrote:
Please consider backing this Kickstarter project. It's an open source APRS tracker for weather balloons. I have no stake in the project other than a pledge and I'd really like to see the project go. Check it out:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1250163085/tracksoar-aprs/posts/1397521...
Steve Kristoff AI9IN
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