The ARRL Field Day rules regarding satellites are difficult for me to understand. I asked for a clarification of the one contact FM bird rule and did not hear what I expected. What they mean is "one contact per FM voice satellite"
For example: if AO-51 is running VU and LS you get one contact, not one on each transponder. (The opposite of AMSAT I believe)
I believe there are more differences;
On AO-7 where working a station in mode A and then working it again in mode B would be two contacts for AMSAT, but a dupe for ARRL.
In fact working a station on AO-7 (either transponder) and then on VO-52 is a dupe in the ARRL (but not AMSAT) rules as "Satellite" is a single band in the eyes of the ARRL.
I'm trying to stay out of trouble this year, so if anyone has any additional clarifications please let me know, or if you know this to be wrong let me know.
Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd
You have interpreted the AMSAT rules correctly. However, we are not in a position to interpret the ARRL rules. I would suggest contacting someone at the ARRL for clarification. Even asking another ham could lead to that ham's interpretation and not the real deal.
73...bruce AMSAT Director Contests & Awards (one of my official titles)
Gary "Joe" Mayfield wrote:
The ARRL Field Day rules regarding satellites are difficult for me to understand. I asked for a clarification of the one contact FM bird rule and did not hear what I expected. What they mean is "one contact per FM voice satellite"
For example: if AO-51 is running VU and LS you get one contact, not one on each transponder. (The opposite of AMSAT I believe)
I believe there are more differences;
On AO-7 where working a station in mode A and then working it again in mode B would be two contacts for AMSAT, but a dupe for ARRL.
In fact working a station on AO-7 (either transponder) and then on VO-52 is a dupe in the ARRL (but not AMSAT) rules as "Satellite" is a single band in the eyes of the ARRL.
I'm trying to stay out of trouble this year, so if anyone has any additional clarifications please let me know, or if you know this to be wrong let me know.
Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd
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Bruce,
Thanks for the AMSAT heads up. I have contacted the ARRL directly and their response is what prompted my email.
73, Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:kk5do@arrl.net] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:34 AM To: Gary "Joe" Mayfield; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Field Day Rules ARRL -vs.- AMSAT
You have interpreted the AMSAT rules correctly. However, we are not in a position to interpret the ARRL rules. I would suggest contacting someone at the ARRL for clarification. Even asking another ham could lead to that ham's interpretation and not the real deal.
73...bruce AMSAT Director Contests & Awards (one of my official titles)
Gary "Joe" Mayfield wrote:
The ARRL Field Day rules regarding satellites are difficult for me to understand. I asked for a clarification of the one contact FM bird rule
and
did not hear what I expected. What they mean is "one contact per FM voice satellite"
For example: if AO-51 is running VU and LS you get one contact, not one on each transponder. (The opposite of AMSAT I believe)
I believe there are more differences;
On AO-7 where working a station in mode A and then working it again in
mode
B would be two contacts for AMSAT, but a dupe for ARRL.
In fact working a station on AO-7 (either transponder) and then on VO-52
is
a dupe in the ARRL (but not AMSAT) rules as "Satellite" is a single band
in
the eyes of the ARRL.
I'm trying to stay out of trouble this year, so if anyone has any
additional
clarifications please let me know, or if you know this to be wrong let me know.
Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd
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Gary, As I recall AO-7 and VO-52 are not FM satellites, hence exempt from the rule so is FO-29
Art, KC6UQH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary "Joe" Mayfield" gary_mayfield@hotmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Field Day Rules ARRL -vs.- AMSAT
The ARRL Field Day rules regarding satellites are difficult for me to understand. I asked for a clarification of the one contact FM bird rule and did not hear what I expected. What they mean is "one contact per FM voice satellite"
For example: if AO-51 is running VU and LS you get one contact, not one on each transponder. (The opposite of AMSAT I believe)
I believe there are more differences;
On AO-7 where working a station in mode A and then working it again in mode B would be two contacts for AMSAT, but a dupe for ARRL.
In fact working a station on AO-7 (either transponder) and then on VO-52 is a dupe in the ARRL (but not AMSAT) rules as "Satellite" is a single band in the eyes of the ARRL.
I'm trying to stay out of trouble this year, so if anyone has any additional clarifications please let me know, or if you know this to be wrong let me know.
Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd
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Art,
You missed my point about the linear satellites completely. In ARRL all contacts go into one hopper or band called satellite. If you work the same station on any two satellites it is a dupe.
73, Joe kk0sd
-----Original Message----- From: kc6uqh [mailto:kc6uqh@cox.net] Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:41 AM To: Gary "Joe" Mayfield; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Field Day Rules ARRL -vs.- AMSAT
Gary, As I recall AO-7 and VO-52 are not FM satellites, hence exempt from the rule
so is FO-29
Art, KC6UQH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary "Joe" Mayfield" gary_mayfield@hotmail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:32 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Field Day Rules ARRL -vs.- AMSAT
The ARRL Field Day rules regarding satellites are difficult for me to understand. I asked for a clarification of the one contact FM bird rule and did not hear what I expected. What they mean is "one contact per FM voice satellite"
For example: if AO-51 is running VU and LS you get one contact, not one on each transponder. (The opposite of AMSAT I believe)
I believe there are more differences;
On AO-7 where working a station in mode A and then working it again in mode B would be two contacts for AMSAT, but a dupe for ARRL.
In fact working a station on AO-7 (either transponder) and then on VO-52 is a dupe in the ARRL (but not AMSAT) rules as "Satellite" is a single band in the eyes of the ARRL.
I'm trying to stay out of trouble this year, so if anyone has any additional clarifications please let me know, or if you know this to be wrong let me know.
Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd
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