https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/656473889/rocket-launch-failure-forces-astron aut-and-cosmonaut-to-make-ballistic-landing
https://www.space.com/42097-soyuz-rocket-launch-failure-expedition-57-crew.h tml
https://spacenews.com/breaking-soyuz-launch-to-iss-aborted-after-booster-fai lure/
73,
Alan WA4SCA
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Does anyone know why there were only two aboard this Soyuz instead of the usual crew of three? -- Mark D. Johns KØJM / MØGZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-KØMDJ Brooklyn Park, MN USA EN35hd ----------------------------------------------- "Heaven goes by favor; if it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in." ---Mark Twain
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 7:02 AM Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/656473889/rocket-launch-failure-forces-astron aut-and-cosmonaut-to-make-ballistic-landing https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/656473889/rocket-launch-failure-forces-astronaut-and-cosmonaut-to-make-ballistic-landing
https://www.space.com/42097-soyuz-rocket-launch-failure-expedition-57-crew.h tml https://www.space.com/42097-soyuz-rocket-launch-failure-expedition-57-crew.html
https://spacenews.com/breaking-soyuz-launch-to-iss-aborted-after-booster-fai lure/ https://spacenews.com/breaking-soyuz-launch-to-iss-aborted-after-booster-failure/
73,
Alan WA4SCA
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Hi Mark!
The empty seat was going to be occupied for the return to Earth by an astronaut from the United Arab Emirates. Before the events of this morning, the UAE astronaut and two other crewmembers were planned to be launched on Soyuz MS-12 next April. The UAE astronaut would come back to Earth on the Soyuz MS-10 that was launched this morning. Now that this morning's launch was unsuccessful, those plans are almost certainly going to be changed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_MS-12
73!
Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ Twitter: @WD9EWK or http://twitter.com/WD9EWK
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:26 PM Mark D. Johns mjohns+K0JM@luther.edu wrote:
Does anyone know why there were only two aboard this Soyuz instead of the usual crew of three? -- Mark D. Johns KØJM / MØGZO / ex-9H3DJ / ex-KØMDJ Brooklyn Park, MN USA EN35hd
NASA Press Conference 12 Noon EDT on Thursday (today) on NASA TV.
www.nasa.gov/ntv
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm@amsat.org
Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator did not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now".
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:02 AM, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/656473889/rocket-launch- failure-forces-astron aut-and-cosmonaut-to-make-ballistic-landing
https://www.space.com/42097-soyuz-rocket-launch-failure- expedition-57-crew.h tml
https://spacenews.com/breaking-soyuz-launch-to-iss- aborted-after-booster-fai lure/
73,
Alan WA4SCA
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On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote:
Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator did not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now".
<snip>
I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in a star pattern.
73s
Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
Extra points if you can identify the source and purpose of the CW which you can hear in the background. Mostly the letters A,N and at least one S. Or more likely the Cyrillic equivalent.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: B J [mailto:va6bmj@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 20:46 PM <To: Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc <Cc: Alan Biddle APBIDDLE@mailaps.org; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < <On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote: <> Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was <> pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much <> stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit <> shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator <did <> not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up <> and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now". < <<snip> < <I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the <boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in a <star pattern. < <73s < <Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
Is that health status of crew members?
Raymond Hoad WA5QGD
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Extra points if you can identify the source and purpose of the CW which you can hear in the background. Mostly the letters A,N and at least one S. Or more likely the Cyrillic equivalent.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: B J [mailto:va6bmj@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 20:46 PM <To: Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc <Cc: Alan Biddle APBIDDLE@mailaps.org; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < <On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote: <> Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was <> pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much <> stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit <> shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator <did <> not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up <> and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now". < <<snip> < <I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the <boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in a <star pattern. < <73s < <Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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You mean like A-live and N-otAlive? I did not notice the S, but maybe that is S-uper?
But seriously, how does Morse Code (or maybe it is not "morse") in Cyrillic or Katakana or Hebrew or ...?
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:24 PM, Ray Hoad ray.hoad@mypbmail.com wrote:
Is that health status of crew members?
Raymond Hoad WA5QGD
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Extra points if you can identify the source and purpose of the CW which you can hear in the background. Mostly the letters A,N and at least one S. Or more likely the Cyrillic equivalent.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: B J [mailto:va6bmj@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 20:46 PM <To: Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc <Cc: Alan Biddle APBIDDLE@mailaps.org; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < <On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote: <> Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was <> pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much <> stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit <> shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator <did <> not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up <> and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now". < <<snip> < <I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the <boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in a <star pattern. < <73s < <Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Descent module recovery beacon.
http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Soyuz1Land/SoyRadio.htm
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 21:54 Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Extra points if you can identify the source and purpose of the CW which you can hear in the background. Mostly the letters A,N and at least one S. Or more likely the Cyrillic equivalent.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: B J [mailto:va6bmj@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 20:46 PM <To: Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc <Cc: Alan Biddle APBIDDLE@mailaps.org; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < <On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote: <> Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was <> pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much <> stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit <> shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator <did <> not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up <> and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now". < <<snip> < <I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the <boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in a <star pattern. < <73s < <Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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Here you go. http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Soyuz1Land/SoyRadio.htm
73, Mike Diehl W8LID/VE6LID
On Oct 11, 2018, at 21:54, Alan wa4sca@gmail.com wrote:
Extra points if you can identify the source and purpose of the CW which you can hear in the background. Mostly the letters A,N and at least one S. Or more likely the Cyrillic equivalent.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: B J [mailto:va6bmj@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 20:46 PM <To: Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc <Cc: Alan Biddle APBIDDLE@mailaps.org; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < <On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc wrote: <> Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? It was <> pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too much <> stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit <> shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA commentator <did <> not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity going up <> and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are weightless now". < <<snip> < <I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the <boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in a <star pattern. < <73s < <Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL
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That is probably it. It does appear on the Russian Mission Control channel long before (as in minutes) there is any indication of a problem. As with any significant incident, the final picture will turn out to be more complicated, and this may well be a clue.
73,
Alan WA4SCA
<-----Original Message----- <From: Mike Diehl [mailto:diehl.mike.a@gmail.com] <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 22:10 PM <To: APBIDDLE@MAILAPS.ORG <Cc: B J va6bmj@gmail.com; Burns Fisher burns@fisher.cc; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < <Here you go. <http://www.svengrahn.pp.se/histind/Soyuz1Land/SoyRadio.htm < < <73, <Mike Diehl <W8LID/VE6LID < <On Oct 11, 2018, at 21:54, Alan <wa4sca@gmail.com <mailto:wa4sca@gmail.com > wrote: < < < < Extra points if you can identify the source and purpose of the CW <which you can hear in the background. Mostly the letters A,N and at least one <S. Or more likely the Cyrillic equivalent. < < 73, < < Alan < WA4SCA < < < <-----Original Message----- < <From: B J [mailto:va6bmj@gmail.com] < <Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2018 20:46 PM < <To: Burns Fisher <burns@fisher.cc mailto:burns@fisher.cc > < <Cc: Alan Biddle <APBIDDLE@mailaps.org <mailto:APBIDDLE@mailaps.org >; AMSAT BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org <mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org > < <Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Soyuz launch failure. Crew safe! < < < <On 10/12/18, Burns Fisher <burns@fisher.cc <mailto:burns@fisher.cc > wrote: < <> Did you see the video from the cockpit and the long-range camera? <It was < <> pretty clear something happened as the boosters fell off. WAY too <much < <> stuff falling to be just the boosters. And the picture in the cockpit < <> shows the cosmonauts vibrating around like crazy. The NASA <commentator < <did < <> not say anything, and then the animation kept showing the velocity <going up < <> and up while you heard on the air-to-ground link "we are <weightless now". < < < <<snip> < < < <I noticed that as well. I would have expected that, normally, the < <boosters would have been jettisoned symmetrically and fall away in <a < <star pattern. < < < <73s < < < <Bernhard VA6BMJ @ DO33FL < < _______________________________________________ < Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org . <AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available < to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. <Opinions expressed < are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of <AMSAT-NA. < Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur <satellite program! < Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat- <bb <
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Ray Hoad