maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and pull a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and pull a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker ki7unj@gmail.com wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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I’m with Casey on this. If you use the recording to confirm that you correctly heard and repeated back another station’s call sign then it’s a valid contact. If the recording is used after the fact to deduce whose voice you heard...it was not a valid contact by definition. NateN5LEX
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19 PM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker ki7unj@gmail.com wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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I use the recording to record the QSOs in LOTW because I suck at remembering and I don’t write anything down during the pass. Cleaning up the audio could be used to make sure you recorded the pass properly in LOTW meaning you record the right call sign. It’s just a memory re caller.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:37 PM nathanjwhite via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I’m with Casey on this. If you use the recording to confirm that you correctly heard and repeated back another station’s call sign then it’s a valid contact. If the recording is used after the fact to deduce whose voice you heard...it was not a valid contact by definition. NateN5LEX
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:19 PM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker ki7unj@gmail.com wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did
you
call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call
till
after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org>
wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job
at
picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that
even
high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like
to
hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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Bob,
If you're using the recording to:
1) Write down who you worked. after the fact since logging on the fly can be difficult... GREAT! 2) Verify you said the call right... GREAT! 3) Re-Verify what gird they said so you can mark it off the list....GREAT!
If you are using the recording to clean it up, playing CSI and "enhancing" the file and having to play it over and over to figure out the call after the fact since you didn't hear it live, or didn't say it correctly back.. then that's a busted call and that would not be a good contact.
But hey... we all can log whatever we feel like and make VUCC/488/DX awards as "easy" as we would like.....
End of the Day log whatever you want... Takes to 2 to tango.. errr QSL.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:17 AM Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com wrote:
Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker ki7unj@gmail.com wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job
at
picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that
even
high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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I think that's all quite valid and good operating practice, Casey.
Bob W7OTJ
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:45 AM KI7UNJ Tucker ki7unj@gmail.com wrote:
Bob,
If you're using the recording to:
- Write down who you worked. after the fact since logging on the fly can
be difficult... GREAT! 2) Verify you said the call right... GREAT! 3) Re-Verify what gird they said so you can mark it off the list....GREAT!
If you are using the recording to clean it up, playing CSI and "enhancing" the file and having to play it over and over to figure out the call after the fact since you didn't hear it live, or didn't say it correctly back.. then that's a busted call and that would not be a good contact.
But hey... we all can log whatever we feel like and make VUCC/488/DX awards as "easy" as we would like.....
End of the Day log whatever you want... Takes to 2 to tango.. errr QSL.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:17 AM Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com wrote:
Casey,
I made a legitimate contact with the other OP. If my using Audacity to clean up the audio and verify the contact and his grid bothers you, so be it.
Next time, I'll be sure and check with you before I do anything.
Bob W7OTJ
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 8:48 AM KI7UNJ Tucker ki7unj@gmail.com wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the
log is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs
and
grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job
at
picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that
even
high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was
low
to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even
though he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like
to
hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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AMSATers...
I'll say it again, "A contact is made when you fulfill whatever criteria you (or an event sponsor) agree it is. Do so honorably (like playing golf)."
This topic *will* come up periodically because we all feel that we all must agree. We do not.
For example: some people believe that machine decoding does not constitute a "real" QSO, so they do not use the JT-modes. However...they are happy to engage in a PSK31 or RTTY QSO...where the machine does real-time decoding for them.
You get the idea.
Please, re-read the first paragraph and find your peace with it.
Yours in the hobby, Ev, W2EV Rochester VHF Group
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 11:52:07 AM EDT, KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log is acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that even high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though he had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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Amen, Happy Easter all!!
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ev Tupis via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
AMSATers...
I'll say it again, "A contact is made when you fulfill whatever criteria you (or an event sponsor) agree it is. Do so honorably (like playing golf)."
This topic *will* come up periodically because we all feel that we all must agree. We do not.
For example: some people believe that machine decoding does not constitute a "real" QSO, so they do not use the JT-modes. However...they are happy to engage in a PSK31 or RTTY QSO...where the machine does real-time decoding for them.
You get the idea.
Please, re-read the first paragraph and find your peace with it.
Yours in the hobby, Ev, W2EV Rochester VHF Group
On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 11:52:07 AM EDT, KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
If you have to listen to the recording to hear the call after the fact, then how did you make contact?
Cause you didn't hear it live as it happened, so then how the heck did you call the other Op by the correct call? since you didn't know the call till after the pass?
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:30 AM Don KB2YSI via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My personal opinion, post processing is not adding information to the recording, so do what you need to.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 08:14 Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
Yesterday, I used Audacity to clarify recorded audio of a contact and
pull
a callsign out of the mud. I recommend this freeware for satellite users.
Thanks Ron VE8RT for mentioning it!
Bob W7OTJ
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:28 PM Ron VE8RT via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
maybe this has been brought up before, an alternative subject line might be "home far should you go"
It seems that recording contacts and translating them into the log
is
acceptable.
What about using post recording enhancements to pull call signs and grid squares out of the noise?
A younger person with uncompromised hearing would do a better job at picking out contact information, the arguement might be made that
even
high end hearing aids do some audio processing.
I just used Audacity to pull KJ7ATK's call out as Diawata-2 was low to my horizon, and his FM deviation was almost not there even though
he
had full quieting. I'll pass someone the recording if they'd like to hear it.
Grid squares are required, is there an alternative other than RST?
Ron VE8RT
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I've been Roving for quite a few years. It takes a lot of time and effort and $$$ to activate some of the Grids I've been to. My joy is to give out Grids to those who need them. It's all done gladly and willingly.
This is what I consider a "Good Contact".
1 - I set up and wait for the Pass and announce my Call/Grid when I hear myself. 2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call. 3 - I respond to them with Their Call & My Call/Grid 4 - That's a "Good Contact" - they heard me & responded, I heard them & responded 5 - Contact logged, next station calls.
The Pass is copied on my Sony ICD-BX140 Digital Recorder via a mini-mic placed in one side of my headphones which catches both sides of the QSO. Then, when I return to where I'm staying, I transcribe the QSOs for uploading to LoTW. If there is doubt with a Call, I'll listen to the recording again to verify.
This has worked very well for me for over 125 different Grid activations and many several times as I travel. I don't recall any complaints, however, they would all be handled appropriately(!).
GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
P.S. The Digital Recorder can be seen in a pic on my QRZ Page.
Bob this is how I do it.
The only exception is occasionally if I get tongue tied and can't spit out their call right I will sometimes say "got it on the recording" and still count it. I prefer not to but have done it and others also do it.
If someone doesn't agree with that my defense is I am dyslexic so give me a break. ;-)
This thread has reminded me that, afaik, the FCC rules don't define a contact, so as someone else said, it really depends on what you and the other station agree on. Contests or other awards may specify and for that you have to do what their rules are, obviously.
73, John Brier
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 16:51 Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I've been Roving for quite a few years. It takes a lot of time and effort and $$$ to activate some of the Grids I've been to. My joy is to give out Grids to those who need them. It's all done gladly and willingly.
This is what I consider a "Good Contact".
1 - I set up and wait for the Pass and announce my Call/Grid when I hear myself. 2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call. 3 - I respond to them with Their Call & My Call/Grid 4 - That's a "Good Contact" - they heard me & responded, I heard them & responded 5 - Contact logged, next station calls.
The Pass is copied on my Sony ICD-BX140 Digital Recorder via a mini-mic placed in one side of my headphones which catches both sides of the QSO. Then, when I return to where I'm staying, I transcribe the QSOs for uploading to LoTW. If there is doubt with a Call, I'll listen to the recording again to verify.
This has worked very well for me for over 125 different Grid activations and many several times as I travel. I don't recall any complaints, however, they would all be handled appropriately(!).
GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
P.S. The Digital Recorder can be seen in a pic on my QRZ Page. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I think we have about beat this topic to death.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:27 PM John Brier via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Bob this is how I do it.
The only exception is occasionally if I get tongue tied and can't spit out their call right I will sometimes say "got it on the recording" and still count it. I prefer not to but have done it and others also do it.
If someone doesn't agree with that my defense is I am dyslexic so give me a break. ;-)
This thread has reminded me that, afaik, the FCC rules don't define a contact, so as someone else said, it really depends on what you and the other station agree on. Contests or other awards may specify and for that you have to do what their rules are, obviously.
73, John Brier
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 16:51 Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
I've been Roving for quite a few years. It takes a lot of time and effort and $$$ to activate some of the Grids I've been to. My joy is to give out Grids to those who need them. It's all done gladly and willingly.
This is what I consider a "Good Contact".
1 - I set up and wait for the Pass and announce my Call/Grid when I hear myself. 2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call. 3 - I respond to them with Their Call & My Call/Grid 4 - That's a "Good Contact" - they heard me & responded, I heard them & responded 5 - Contact logged, next station calls.
The Pass is copied on my Sony ICD-BX140 Digital Recorder via a mini-mic placed in one side of my headphones which catches both sides of the QSO. Then, when I return to where I'm staying, I transcribe the QSOs for uploading
to
LoTW. If there is doubt with a Call, I'll listen to the recording again
to
verify.
This has worked very well for me for over 125 different Grid activations and many several times as I travel. I don't recall any complaints, however, they would all be handled appropriately(!).
GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
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Hi John, I'm sure the FCC has no interest in what a QSO is as long as a transmittingstation properly ID's. Various Ham Organizations have their own rules for what they consider a validQSO, mainly for Awards/Contests/Records. Anyone using a made-up means tocreate QSOs really cheapens things for everyone. Someone cheating for thingslike that brings down the value of them to zero! GL/73, Bob K8BL
On Monday, April 13, 2020, 03:26:10 PM EDT, John Brier johnbrier@gmail.com wrote:
Bob this is how I do it. The only exception is occasionally if I get tongue tied and can't spit out their call right I will sometimes say "got it on the recording" and still count it. I prefer not to but have done it and others also do it. If someone doesn't agree with that my defense is I am dyslexic so give me a break. ;-) This thread has reminded me that, afaik, the FCC rules don't define a contact, so as someone else said, it really depends on what you and the other station agree on. Contests or other awards may specify and for that you have to do what their rules are, obviously. 73, John Brier
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 16:51 Bob Liddy (K8BL) via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
I've been Roving for quite a few years. It takes a lot of time and effort and $$$ to activate some of the Grids I've been to. My joy is to give out Grids to those who need them. It's all done gladly and willingly.
This is what I consider a "Good Contact".
1 - I set up and wait for the Pass and announce my Call/Grid when I hear myself. 2 - A station calls me with My Call and Their Call. 3 - I respond to them with Their Call & My Call/Grid 4 - That's a "Good Contact" - they heard me & responded, I heard them & responded 5 - Contact logged, next station calls.
The Pass is copied on my Sony ICD-BX140 Digital Recorder via a mini-mic placed in one side of my headphones which catches both sides of the QSO. Then, when I return to where I'm staying, I transcribe the QSOs for uploading to LoTW. If there is doubt with a Call, I'll listen to the recording again to verify.
This has worked very well for me for over 125 different Grid activations and many several times as I travel. I don't recall any complaints, however, they would all be handled appropriately(!).
GL/73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT #6593, since 1979)
P.S. The Digital Recorder can be seen in a pic on my QRZ Page. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Overhead on Twitter:
"Does anyone know what station I just worked on SO-50? I am not sure of the callsign, but I think it starts with Kilo. I also need the grid."
Bob K0NR
I always get a chuckle when I hear this, now if they said "who was it I heard I want to sked with them for a later contact" that makes sense.
Posting of "who did I work?" on twitter is the original reason @hambadges on twitter exists, and this was the EXACT reason the first badge was created
The First "HamBadge" ---> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/hP5_spKTuy3bDPwHWbvzvhkmxa8F_fU_YSjyjUQdiY...
If you need twitter/Facepalm/Etc to tell you who you worked.... you DIDNT WORK THEM!!!
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 1:05 PM Bob K0NR - email list via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Overhead on Twitter:
"Does anyone know what station I just worked on SO-50? I am not sure of the callsign, but I think it starts with Kilo. I also need the grid."
Bob K0NR
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Yeah we see that on this mailing list too, though your Twitter example is the most striking I have seen. They don't even know the first letter?!
I guess if they repeated the callsign over the air it would be a contact... But if you can't log it because you can't remember it and you didn't record it...
Hopefully this is a new operator who is still building out their setup and learning to multitask.
73, John Brier KG4AKV
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 16:06 Bob K0NR - email list via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Overhead on Twitter:
"Does anyone know what station I just worked on SO-50? I am not sure of the callsign, but I think it starts with Kilo. I also need the grid."
Bob K0NR
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Ron VE8RT