Why are you comparing the legal expenditures with membership fees?
Di you discover that membership fees were used in any manner for those expenses?
If not, then why don’t we compare that amount with, say, Apples or Watermelons?
On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:46 PM, amsat-bb-request@amsat.org wrote:
Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363 memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct.
In most (or actually, all) non-profit organizations I have been involved with, unless money is expressly donated for a particular program or purpose, everything goes into a general fund.
Was there a donor who gave money for the specific purpose of looking for a legal way to get rid or punish a member? Or to stonewall information requests from duly elected directors?
Yes, the connection of legal expenses to membership dues is valid and, let me tell you, concerning.
KF7R
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:52 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Why are you comparing the legal expenditures with membership fees?
Di you discover that membership fees were used in any manner for those expenses?
If not, then why don’t we compare that amount with, say, Apples or Watermelons?
On Jul 17, 2020, at 12:46 PM, amsat-bb-request@amsat.org wrote:
Now we learn that the expenditure is over 16k. That is 363
memberships, if this retired engineer's math is correct.
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:46 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Why are you comparing the legal expenditures with membership fees?
It all goes in the same bank account. It might be that Yasme Foundation, the ARRL Foundation, or ARDC inadvertently gave the money for this. They would be upset if they did. In which case that might provide one reason that their latest grants are to ORI.
So, we might say it's some hundreds of memberships, or 1/2 Yasme grant or 8 ARRL Foundation grants, or 150 President's Circle Basic contributions or a piece of our US Government forgivable loan.
But it's all the same money, in the same bank account. We can't really wave hands about whether it is memberships, donations, or grants, or the loan to *paper over the impact of this money being spent unwisely.*
What is concerning is funds had to be used to potentially protect the organization. Attacks against AMSAT? Really? Come on. Let’s get back to business.
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 1:46 PM Clint Bradford via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Why are you comparing the legal expenditures with membership fees?
It all goes in the same bank account. It might be that Yasme Foundation, the ARRL Foundation, or ARDC inadvertently gave the money for this. They would be upset if they did. In which case that might provide one reason that their latest grants are to ORI.
So, we might say it's some hundreds of memberships, or 1/2 Yasme grant or 8 ARRL Foundation grants, or 150 President's Circle Basic contributions or a piece of our US Government forgivable loan.
But it's all the same money, in the same bank account. We can't really wave hands about whether it is memberships, donations, or grants, or the loan to *paper over the impact of this money being spent unwisely.* _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chad KG0MW chad.kg0mw@gmail.com wrote:
Attacks against AMSAT? Really?
This is exactly the kind of thinking that got AMSAT in trouble.
There were never any "attacks" against AMSAT. There was never an enemy. There was never a good side and a bad side.
There was opposition. And there still is today. The opposition are members, and they believe that the current board members are doing a bad job of running AMSAT.
Democracy always includes opposition, and it isn't democracy without it. Treating them as the enemy is the problem.
Thanks
Bruce
This is a weak argument. Weaker than weak. Just because one has a single account does not mean that records are not kept of what is in it, and where it came from.
Clint Bradford K6LCS
On Jul 17, 2020, at 2:52 PM, Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com wrote:
It all goes in the same bank account.
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