Mount Carmel HS ARC marine buoy deployed and transmitting
Over the past year, Randy, KQ6RS and I have mentored the MCHSARC in designing and constructing a simple marine buoy that was deployed from the R/V Sally Ride this morning about 700 km off the coast of southern California. It is up and transmitting WSPR on 20m using the callsign KQ6RS, and is being received all over the US and into Canada and Brazil.
The electronics is the 20m WSPR version of the WB8ELK "pico tracker" that has been flown quite a few times (including by us) on long duration balloons. We removed the solar panels and substituted 21 ordinary alkaline D-cells wired to supply 4.5V. We estimate battery lifetime will be 6 months.
The basic design was inspired by Bob, WB4APR, at the US Naval Academy. Physically, the buoy is just a 5' section of 4" PVC pipe, ballasted at one end to float vertically in the water. The top is closed by a sewer pressure test plug I found at Home Depot; it has a bolt in the center that acts as a convenient feed-through and mounting point for the antenna, a stainless steel CB whip with a matching network designed, tested and carefully tuned by Randy. We use the sea as a counterpoise, but to avoid direct metal/seawater contact we lined the inside of the pipe with copper tape to form a capacitive connection. We probably spent too much time on this; Randy even modeled the electrical fields in the seawater with a professional RF analysis package.
In our first flotation tests in Randy's swimming pool we found that the ballasted pipe, by itself, was remarkably stable in pitch, roll, sway and surge but oscillated a lot in heave (up and down). To damp this Randy added cross arms at the water line to add drag in the vertical direction. (It wasn't our intent to mimic a religious icon but that's where the physics went.) Tuning the antenna required sea water, so Randy did it from a dock on Mission Bay here in San Diego.
We tried to make this thing as rugged as we could. (My favorite saying to the students was that the sea *always* wins in the end, but we can delay that long enough to be useful.) Everything inside is held in place with epoxy or polyurethane foam. Randy reinforced the sewer plug with a PVC end cap with a hole cut in the center. Although the antenna is stainless steel, Randy covered it with a type of heatshrink with a waterproofing compound inside. Activation was by removing an external magnet placed over a parallel pair of normally closed magnetic reed switches. (Using two instead of one was my idea.) We even argued how to guard against the crew forgetting to remove the magnet before deployment. Randy found some adhesive that would dissolve and let the magnet fall away; I suggested a big REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT tag and a float that would pull it away if it was tossed into the water.
That left the problem of deployment. We couldn't just drop it close to the coast because it would quickly wash back up on the beach. We needed a boat ride. We were originally going on a NOAA vessel in April, but that trip was cancelled due to the pandemic. Randy secured a trip on the R/V Sally Ride, a research ship operated by Scripps Institute of Oceanography and home ported here in San Diego.
This map shows the "lawn mowing" pattern they follow to measure and sample sea water off southern California. We were deployed early this morning at the most southwestern point shown here:
https://calcofi.org/cruises/2020-cruises/calcofi-2007sr.html
First report was at 12:52:30 UTC this morning from 29 51.25N, 123 37.50W. That's grid square CL89eu, which I figure is pretty rare for grid hunters. The current carried us east into CL89fu at 20:32:30. This is a little surprising since we thought the currents in that area are to the southwest. But that's why you do science!
You can track us on aprs.fi here:
https://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FKQ6RS-1&others=1&timerange=604800&tai...
We also show up on wsprnet.org
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
Because of the funky way Bill encodes position in WSPR (which was never designed for this), you'll see some weird-looking callsigns (like 0W7NFU) in addition to KQ6RS.
This was our first buoy, just to get our feet wet (ha ha). Now to think about what we want to put in our *second* buoy. Two-way links, satellite tracking, sensors, the works. But remember the "second system" effect...
73, Phil
Congrats Randy ! and thanks Phil for information.
Wishing good luck ! Buoy already copied by 148 stations !!
Can see stations copying and trajectory using:
http://lu7aa.org.ar/buoy.asp?other=KQ6RS (slow but lots of info)
73, lu7abf, Pedro
Very cool Phil.. Thanks for sharing that. As an ex-employee of MBARI, I can tell you that we threw a lot of stuff in the water that took more development time and cost than yours with similar results. --- Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side 73 de W3AB/GEO
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 03:48:27 PM PDT, Phil Karn via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Over the past year, Randy, KQ6RS and I have mentored the MCHSARC in designing and constructing a simple marine buoy that was deployed from the R/V Sally Ride this morning about 700 km off the coast of southern California. It is up and transmitting WSPR on 20m using the callsign KQ6RS, and is being received all over the US and into Canada and Brazil.
The electronics is the 20m WSPR version of the WB8ELK "pico tracker" that has been flown quite a few times (including by us) on long duration balloons. We removed the solar panels and substituted 21 ordinary alkaline D-cells wired to supply 4.5V. We estimate battery lifetime will be 6 months.
The basic design was inspired by Bob, WB4APR, at the US Naval Academy. Physically, the buoy is just a 5' section of 4" PVC pipe, ballasted at one end to float vertically in the water. The top is closed by a sewer pressure test plug I found at Home Depot; it has a bolt in the center that acts as a convenient feed-through and mounting point for the antenna, a stainless steel CB whip with a matching network designed, tested and carefully tuned by Randy. We use the sea as a counterpoise, but to avoid direct metal/seawater contact we lined the inside of the pipe with copper tape to form a capacitive connection. We probably spent too much time on this; Randy even modeled the electrical fields in the seawater with a professional RF analysis package.
In our first flotation tests in Randy's swimming pool we found that the ballasted pipe, by itself, was remarkably stable in pitch, roll, sway and surge but oscillated a lot in heave (up and down). To damp this Randy added cross arms at the water line to add drag in the vertical direction. (It wasn't our intent to mimic a religious icon but that's where the physics went.) Tuning the antenna required sea water, so Randy did it from a dock on Mission Bay here in San Diego.
We tried to make this thing as rugged as we could. (My favorite saying to the students was that the sea *always* wins in the end, but we can delay that long enough to be useful.) Everything inside is held in place with epoxy or polyurethane foam. Randy reinforced the sewer plug with a PVC end cap with a hole cut in the center. Although the antenna is stainless steel, Randy covered it with a type of heatshrink with a waterproofing compound inside. Activation was by removing an external magnet placed over a parallel pair of normally closed magnetic reed switches. (Using two instead of one was my idea.) We even argued how to guard against the crew forgetting to remove the magnet before deployment. Randy found some adhesive that would dissolve and let the magnet fall away; I suggested a big REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT tag and a float that would pull it away if it was tossed into the water.
That left the problem of deployment. We couldn't just drop it close to the coast because it would quickly wash back up on the beach. We needed a boat ride. We were originally going on a NOAA vessel in April, but that trip was cancelled due to the pandemic. Randy secured a trip on the R/V Sally Ride, a research ship operated by Scripps Institute of Oceanography and home ported here in San Diego.
This map shows the "lawn mowing" pattern they follow to measure and sample sea water off southern California. We were deployed early this morning at the most southwestern point shown here:
https://calcofi.org/cruises/2020-cruises/calcofi-2007sr.html
First report was at 12:52:30 UTC this morning from 29 51.25N, 123 37.50W. That's grid square CL89eu, which I figure is pretty rare for grid hunters. The current carried us east into CL89fu at 20:32:30. This is a little surprising since we thought the currents in that area are to the southwest. But that's why you do science!
You can track us on aprs.fi here:
https://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FKQ6RS-1&others=1&timerange=604800&tai...
We also show up on wsprnet.org
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
Because of the funky way Bill encodes position in WSPR (which was never designed for this), you'll see some weird-looking callsigns (like 0W7NFU) in addition to KQ6RS.
This was our first buoy, just to get our feet wet (ha ha). Now to think about what we want to put in our *second* buoy. Two-way links, satellite tracking, sensors, the works. But remember the "second system" effect...
73, Phil
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Great idea and thanks for sharing the technical details.
Greg N3MVF
On Jul 16, 2020, at 7:20 PM, GEO Badger via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Very cool Phil.. Thanks for sharing that. As an ex-employee of MBARI, I can tell you that we threw a lot of stuff in the water that took more development time and cost than yours with similar results. --- Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side 73 de W3AB/GEO
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 03:48:27 PM PDT, Phil Karn via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Over the past year, Randy, KQ6RS and I have mentored the MCHSARC in designing and constructing a simple marine buoy that was deployed from the R/V Sally Ride this morning about 700 km off the coast of southern California. It is up and transmitting WSPR on 20m using the callsign KQ6RS, and is being received all over the US and into Canada and Brazil.
The electronics is the 20m WSPR version of the WB8ELK "pico tracker" that has been flown quite a few times (including by us) on long duration balloons. We removed the solar panels and substituted 21 ordinary alkaline D-cells wired to supply 4.5V. We estimate battery lifetime will be 6 months.
The basic design was inspired by Bob, WB4APR, at the US Naval Academy. Physically, the buoy is just a 5' section of 4" PVC pipe, ballasted at one end to float vertically in the water. The top is closed by a sewer pressure test plug I found at Home Depot; it has a bolt in the center that acts as a convenient feed-through and mounting point for the antenna, a stainless steel CB whip with a matching network designed, tested and carefully tuned by Randy. We use the sea as a counterpoise, but to avoid direct metal/seawater contact we lined the inside of the pipe with copper tape to form a capacitive connection. We probably spent too much time on this; Randy even modeled the electrical fields in the seawater with a professional RF analysis package.
In our first flotation tests in Randy's swimming pool we found that the ballasted pipe, by itself, was remarkably stable in pitch, roll, sway and surge but oscillated a lot in heave (up and down). To damp this Randy added cross arms at the water line to add drag in the vertical direction. (It wasn't our intent to mimic a religious icon but that's where the physics went.) Tuning the antenna required sea water, so Randy did it from a dock on Mission Bay here in San Diego.
We tried to make this thing as rugged as we could. (My favorite saying to the students was that the sea *always* wins in the end, but we can delay that long enough to be useful.) Everything inside is held in place with epoxy or polyurethane foam. Randy reinforced the sewer plug with a PVC end cap with a hole cut in the center. Although the antenna is stainless steel, Randy covered it with a type of heatshrink with a waterproofing compound inside. Activation was by removing an external magnet placed over a parallel pair of normally closed magnetic reed switches. (Using two instead of one was my idea.) We even argued how to guard against the crew forgetting to remove the magnet before deployment. Randy found some adhesive that would dissolve and let the magnet fall away; I suggested a big REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT tag and a float that would pull it away if it was tossed into the water.
That left the problem of deployment. We couldn't just drop it close to the coast because it would quickly wash back up on the beach. We needed a boat ride. We were originally going on a NOAA vessel in April, but that trip was cancelled due to the pandemic. Randy secured a trip on the R/V Sally Ride, a research ship operated by Scripps Institute of Oceanography and home ported here in San Diego.
This map shows the "lawn mowing" pattern they follow to measure and sample sea water off southern California. We were deployed early this morning at the most southwestern point shown here:
https://calcofi.org/cruises/2020-cruises/calcofi-2007sr.html
First report was at 12:52:30 UTC this morning from 29 51.25N, 123 37.50W. That's grid square CL89eu, which I figure is pretty rare for grid hunters. The current carried us east into CL89fu at 20:32:30. This is a little surprising since we thought the currents in that area are to the southwest. But that's why you do science!
You can track us on aprs.fi here:
https://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FKQ6RS-1&others=1&timerange=604800&tai...
We also show up on wsprnet.org
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
Because of the funky way Bill encodes position in WSPR (which was never designed for this), you'll see some weird-looking callsigns (like 0W7NFU) in addition to KQ6RS.
This was our first buoy, just to get our feet wet (ha ha). Now to think about what we want to put in our *second* buoy. Two-way links, satellite tracking, sensors, the works. But remember the "second system" effect...
73, Phil
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That is a really cool sounding project and thank you for sharing your process!
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 19:50 Greg via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Great idea and thanks for sharing the technical details.
Greg N3MVF
On Jul 16, 2020, at 7:20 PM, GEO Badger via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Very cool Phil.. Thanks for sharing that. As an ex-employee of MBARI, I can tell you that we threw a lot of stuff in the water that took more development time and cost than yours with similar results.
Ciao baby, catch you on the flip side 73 de W3AB/GEO
You can say "over", you can say "out", you just can't say "over and out".
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 03:48:27 PM PDT, Phil Karn via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Over the past year, Randy, KQ6RS and I have mentored the MCHSARC in designing and constructing a simple marine buoy that was deployed from the R/V Sally Ride this morning about 700 km off the coast of southern California. It is up and transmitting WSPR on 20m using the callsign KQ6RS, and is being received all over the US and into Canada and Brazil.
The electronics is the 20m WSPR version of the WB8ELK "pico tracker" that has been flown quite a few times (including by us) on long duration balloons. We removed the solar panels and substituted 21 ordinary alkaline D-cells wired to supply 4.5V. We estimate battery lifetime will be 6 months.
The basic design was inspired by Bob, WB4APR, at the US Naval Academy. Physically, the buoy is just a 5' section of 4" PVC pipe, ballasted at one end to float vertically in the water. The top is closed by a sewer pressure test plug I found at Home Depot; it has a bolt in the center that acts as a convenient feed-through and mounting point for the antenna, a stainless steel CB whip with a matching network designed, tested and carefully tuned by Randy. We use the sea as a counterpoise, but to avoid direct metal/seawater contact we lined the inside of the pipe with copper tape to form a capacitive connection. We probably spent too much time on this; Randy even modeled the electrical fields in the seawater with a professional RF analysis package.
In our first flotation tests in Randy's swimming pool we found that the ballasted pipe, by itself, was remarkably stable in pitch, roll, sway and surge but oscillated a lot in heave (up and down). To damp this Randy added cross arms at the water line to add drag in the vertical direction. (It wasn't our intent to mimic a religious icon but that's where the physics went.) Tuning the antenna required sea water, so Randy did it from a dock on Mission Bay here in San Diego.
We tried to make this thing as rugged as we could. (My favorite saying to the students was that the sea *always* wins in the end, but we can delay that long enough to be useful.) Everything inside is held in place with epoxy or polyurethane foam. Randy reinforced the sewer plug with a PVC end cap with a hole cut in the center. Although the antenna is stainless steel, Randy covered it with a type of heatshrink with a waterproofing compound inside. Activation was by removing an external magnet placed over a parallel pair of normally closed magnetic reed switches. (Using two instead of one was my idea.) We even argued how to guard against the crew forgetting to remove the magnet before deployment. Randy found some adhesive that would dissolve and let the magnet fall away; I suggested a big REMOVE BEFORE FLIGHT tag and a float that would pull it away if it was tossed into the water.
That left the problem of deployment. We couldn't just drop it close to the coast because it would quickly wash back up on the beach. We needed a boat ride. We were originally going on a NOAA vessel in April, but that trip was cancelled due to the pandemic. Randy secured a trip on the R/V Sally Ride, a research ship operated by Scripps Institute of Oceanography and home ported here in San Diego.
This map shows the "lawn mowing" pattern they follow to measure and sample sea water off southern California. We were deployed early this morning at the most southwestern point shown here:
https://calcofi.org/cruises/2020-cruises/calcofi-2007sr.html
First report was at 12:52:30 UTC this morning from 29 51.25N, 123 37.50W. That's grid square CL89eu, which I figure is pretty rare for grid hunters. The current carried us east into CL89fu at 20:32:30. This is a little surprising since we thought the currents in that area are to the southwest. But that's why you do science!
You can track us on aprs.fi here:
https://aprs.fi/#!call=a%2FKQ6RS-1&others=1&timerange=604800&tai...
We also show up on wsprnet.org
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
Because of the funky way Bill encodes position in WSPR (which was never designed for this), you'll see some weird-looking callsigns (like 0W7NFU) in addition to KQ6RS.
This was our first buoy, just to get our feet wet (ha ha). Now to think about what we want to put in our *second* buoy. Two-way links, satellite tracking, sensors, the works. But remember the "second system" effect...
73, Phil
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On 7/16/20 16:20, GEO Badger wrote:
Very cool Phil.. Thanks for sharing that.
As an ex-employee of MBARI, I can tell you that we threw a lot of stuff in the water that took more development time and cost than yours with similar results.
Well, it remains to be seen just how long we'll last. I think we probably over-engineered this thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to float long after the batteries die. We did mark it to give us a chance of getting it back should it be discovered on a beach someday.
We're already tossing around lots of ideas for a follow-on. Beware the second system effect...
Phil
Very cool, thanks for posting the details. Sounds like a great project. Is it relaying any telemetry such as water temperature? Or just position, which is interesting for sure.
Managing to upload data to a sat would be a fantastic next step, but I can already see the technical challenges with that. Perhaps relaying the data via an open linear transponder using PSK, with a sensitive ground station listening for the results? That seems more realistic than uploading data to a mailbox like FalconSat-3 or similar.
Anyway, great to see projects like this engaging students.
73 Chris
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:28 PM Phil Karn via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
On 7/16/20 16:20, GEO Badger wrote:
Very cool Phil.. Thanks for sharing that.
As an ex-employee of MBARI, I can tell you that we threw a lot of stuff in the water that took more development time and cost than yours with similar results.
Well, it remains to be seen just how long we'll last. I think we probably over-engineered this thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it continues to float long after the batteries die. We did mark it to give us a chance of getting it back should it be discovered on a beach someday.
We're already tossing around lots of ideas for a follow-on. Beware the second system effect...
Phil
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On 7/17/20 6:47 AM, Chris Thompson wrote:
Very cool, thanks for posting the details. Sounds like a great project. Is it relaying any telemetry such as water temperature? Or just position, which is interesting for sure.
It's sending temperature and battery voltage, though the encoding is coarse. Reported temp is 20C, but it's in 5C steps and maxes at 25C; the tracker was designed for balloons after all. Reported battery voltage is 4.6 (nominal 4.5); I don't recall the resolution but it's probably 0.1V.
I still haven't heard it myself, though I haven't been listening continuously. All the WSPR signals I'm getting on 20 m are > 1000 km away, so I'm probably in the skip zone. Or my G5RV is just too crappy an antenna.
Managing to upload data to a sat would be a fantastic next step, but I can already see the technical challenges with that. Perhaps relaying the data via an open linear transponder using PSK, with a sensitive ground station listening for the results? That seems more realistic than uploading data to a mailbox like FalconSat-3 or similar.
Yeah, satellite relaying would be cool. I know Bob, WB4APR, has had that as his obsession for many years. I don't see why uploading to a mailbox should be too difficult, considering we're in the middle of the ocean without a lot of competition. We have all sorts of other ideas, like data collection, an adaptive HF data link to dump it to shore, etc. But we have to beware the dreaded "second system" effect.
Anyway, great to see projects like this engaging students.
That's the idea! But a lot of things have conspired to interfere with that process this year, sigh.
Phil
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