GeoSat OSCAR-2024 Positive comments, no whining....(Was need HEO..please..)
Ok ;
Now that I have your attention; I want this to be a positive thread. If it goes somewhere it provides a selling tool for potential stakeholders, donors, commercial entities, etc.
There are 3,440 members of AMSAT, not huge by any means. ARRL has 161,000 members.
Add some of the other groups, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPR, any others?
Sure there is some overlap, but those members will be more likely to contribute. How many would contribute to a GEO program? 35,000? if the average were $300, if collected over 4 years, a small amount. $10,500,000. The project would have to be well spelled out and provide interest to a wide number of experimenters. The funds would have to be earmarked for the project.
Can we leverage on huge success of the QO-100???
.............................
The Spacecraft; A commercial ride along. This would solve a lot of problems such as:
1. Orbital Debris Mitigation 2. Solar Power 3. Redundancy 4. Thermal Control 5. Longevity
(Please feel free to add problems _solved_. Lets be positive for once)
...........................
The transponder:
1. Qatar-OSCAR 100 design sure seems achievable! It is proven to Amateur and commercial community. When can we sign the order? 2. 2.4 GHz S band uplink 10 GHz X band downlink 3. Bent pipe VS digital argument: Why not do both? NB side stays analog, WB side digital like P4XT proposal
.................
Who benefits:?
1. Most importantly, boomers like me who have SSB equipment need only to build one or two transporters. Not really that hard. 2. Newbies techs who want to experiment and communicate digitally 3. SAR and EM teams can actually have 365/24/7 emergency satellite transponders both analog and digital without the huge monthly outlay. 4. Universities, ARISS, etc can up link from LEO satellites and ISS via OSCAR-2024 to simple ground stations. Uplink Doppler could be controlled by having those space terminals monitor a polling/beacon from a ground station and adjusting accordingly. Similarly experiments deployed in jungles can use the satellite. With coordination and MOU with Qatar-OSCAR 100, both satellites and hemispheres could each benefit from a wider footprint of both satellites. 5. AMSAT ARRL, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPREtc through increased interest in satellites, digital experimentation and ham radio in general 6. Commercial entities gaining recognition by providing in-kind services. Elon Musk SpaceX, etc.
Who else benefits? Those who benefit will donate. Again _positive _comments right now. Problems can be fixed later.
.................
You said you wanted this thread to stay positive so I will refrain from making any comments about getting 35,000 hams to shell out $300.
73, Mike Diehl W8LID/VE6LID
Now that I have your attention; I want this to be a positive thread. If it goes somewhere it provides a selling tool for potential stakeholders, donors, commercial entities, etc.
There are 3,440 members of AMSAT, not huge by any means. ARRL has 161,000 members.
Add some of the other groups, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPR, any others?
Sure there is some overlap, but those members will be more likely to contribute. How many would contribute to a GEO program? 35,000? if the average were $300, if collected over 4 years, a small amount. $10,500,000. The project would have to be well spelled out and provide interest to a wide number of experimenters. The funds would have to be earmarked for the project.
Can we leverage on huge success of the QO-100???
.............................
The Spacecraft; A commercial ride along. This would solve a lot of problems such as:
- Orbital Debris Mitigation
- Solar Power
- Redundancy
- Thermal Control
- Longevity
(Please feel free to add problems _solved_. Lets be positive for once)
...........................
The transponder:
- Qatar-OSCAR 100 design sure seems achievable! It is proven to
Amateur and commercial community. When can we sign the order? 2. 2.4 GHz S band uplink 10 GHz X band downlink 3. Bent pipe VS digital argument: Why not do both? NB side stays analog, WB side digital like P4XT proposal
.................
Who benefits:?
- Most importantly, boomers like me who have SSB equipment need only
to build one or two transporters. Not really that hard. 2. Newbies techs who want to experiment and communicate digitally 3. SAR and EM teams can actually have 365/24/7 emergency satellite transponders both analog and digital without the huge monthly outlay. 4. Universities, ARISS, etc can up link from LEO satellites and ISS via OSCAR-2024 to simple ground stations. Uplink Doppler could be controlled by having those space terminals monitor a polling/beacon from a ground station and adjusting accordingly. Similarly experiments deployed in jungles can use the satellite. With coordination and MOU with Qatar-OSCAR 100, both satellites and hemispheres could each benefit from a wider footprint of both satellites. 5. AMSAT ARRL, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPREtc through increased interest in satellites, digital experimentation and ham radio in general 6. Commercial entities gaining recognition by providing in-kind services. Elon Musk SpaceX, etc.
Who else benefits? Those who benefit will donate. Again _positive _comments right now. Problems can be fixed later.
.................
-- Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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By my estimation, they have already spent that amount on the newest model BaoFeng radios .
On 6/19/2020 5:10 PM, Mike Diehl wrote:
You said you wanted this thread to stay positive so I will refrain from making any comments about getting 35,000 hams to shell out $300.
73, Mike Diehl W8LID/VE6LID
Now that I have your attention; I want this to be a positive thread. If it goes somewhere it provides a selling tool for potential stakeholders, donors, commercial entities, etc.
There are 3,440 members of AMSAT, not huge by any means. ARRL has 161,000 members.
Add some of the other groups, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPR, any others?
Sure there is some overlap, but those members will be more likely to contribute. How many would contribute to a GEO program? 35,000? if the average were $300, if collected over 4 years, a small amount. $10,500,000. The project would have to be well spelled out and provide interest to a wide number of experimenters. The funds would have to be earmarked for the project.
Can we leverage on huge success of the QO-100???
.............................
The Spacecraft; A commercial ride along. This would solve a lot of problems such as:
- Orbital Debris Mitigation
- Solar Power
- Redundancy
- Thermal Control
- Longevity
(Please feel free to add problems _solved_. Lets be positive for once)
...........................
The transponder:
- Qatar-OSCAR 100 design sure seems achievable! It is proven to Amateur and commercial community. When can we sign the order?
- 2.4 GHz S band uplink 10 GHz X band downlink
- Bent pipe VS digital argument: Why not do both? NB side stays analog, WB side digital like P4XT proposal
.................
Who benefits:?
- Most importantly, boomers like me who have SSB equipment need only to build one or two transporters. Not really that hard.
- Newbies techs who want to experiment and communicate digitally
- SAR and EM teams can actually have 365/24/7 emergency satellite transponders both analog and digital without the huge monthly outlay.
- Universities, ARISS, etc can up link from LEO satellites and ISS via OSCAR-2024 to simple ground stations. Uplink Doppler could be controlled by having those space terminals monitor a polling/beacon from a ground station and adjusting accordingly. Similarly experiments deployed in jungles can use the satellite. With coordination and MOU with Qatar-OSCAR 100, both satellites and hemispheres could each benefit from a wider footprint of both satellites.
- AMSAT ARRL, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPREtc through increased interest in satellites, digital experimentation and ham radio in general
- Commercial entities gaining recognition by providing in-kind services. Elon Musk SpaceX, etc.
Who else benefits? Those who benefit will donate. Again _positive _comments right now. Problems can be fixed later.
.................
-- Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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The Chinese put up the XW birds maybe they'll put up a AO-40 (sobsob) type bird. Tongue firmly in cheek. 73 Bob W7LRD
On 06/19/2020 2:13 PM Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB [email protected] wrote:
By my estimation, they have already spent that amount on the newest model BaoFeng radios .
On 6/19/2020 5:10 PM, Mike Diehl wrote:
You said you wanted this thread to stay positive so I will refrain from making any comments about getting 35,000 hams to shell out $300.
73, Mike Diehl W8LID/VE6LID
Now that I have your attention; I want this to be a positive thread. If it goes somewhere it provides a selling tool for potential stakeholders, donors, commercial entities, etc.
There are 3,440 members of AMSAT, not huge by any means. ARRL has 161,000 members.
Add some of the other groups, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPR, any others?
Sure there is some overlap, but those members will be more likely to contribute. How many would contribute to a GEO program? 35,000? if the average were $300, if collected over 4 years, a small amount. $10,500,000. The project would have to be well spelled out and provide interest to a wide number of experimenters. The funds would have to be earmarked for the project.
Can we leverage on huge success of the QO-100???
.............................
The Spacecraft; A commercial ride along. This would solve a lot of problems such as:
- Orbital Debris Mitigation
- Solar Power
- Redundancy
- Thermal Control
- Longevity
(Please feel free to add problems _solved_. Lets be positive for once)
...........................
The transponder:
- Qatar-OSCAR 100 design sure seems achievable! It is proven to Amateur and commercial community. When can we sign the order?
- 2.4 GHz S band uplink 10 GHz X band downlink
- Bent pipe VS digital argument: Why not do both? NB side stays analog, WB side digital like P4XT proposal
.................
Who benefits:?
- Most importantly, boomers like me who have SSB equipment need only to build one or two transporters. Not really that hard.
- Newbies techs who want to experiment and communicate digitally
- SAR and EM teams can actually have 365/24/7 emergency satellite transponders both analog and digital without the huge monthly outlay.
- Universities, ARISS, etc can up link from LEO satellites and ISS via OSCAR-2024 to simple ground stations. Uplink Doppler could be controlled by having those space terminals monitor a polling/beacon from a ground station and adjusting accordingly. Similarly experiments deployed in jungles can use the satellite. With coordination and MOU with Qatar-OSCAR 100, both satellites and hemispheres could each benefit from a wider footprint of both satellites.
- AMSAT ARRL, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPREtc through increased interest in satellites, digital experimentation and ham radio in general
- Commercial entities gaining recognition by providing in-kind services. Elon Musk SpaceX, etc.
Who else benefits? Those who benefit will donate. Again _positive _comments right now. Problems can be fixed later.
.................
-- Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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-- Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
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Thank you for the positive thread.
Open Research Institute received news today about an additional $15,000 grant. This will help pay for work on GEO/HEO/Lunar payload transmit chain.
This brings the Phase 1 fundraising total to $65,000.
All of the work product is donated without charge to the general public. This means primarily AMSAT and ARISS/AREx.
ORI has started on Phase 2 fundraising. The goal is $400,000 and will finance multiple end-to-end engineering models.
Phase 3 is space-rated hardware.
Phase 4 is any costs related to any launch.
There is a path forward. Yes it's hard, but it's not impossible. Besides, things worth doing are rarely easy!
-Michelle W5NYV
On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:54 PM Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB < [email protected]> wrote:
Ok ;
Now that I have your attention; I want this to be a positive thread. If it goes somewhere it provides a selling tool for potential stakeholders, donors, commercial entities, etc.
There are 3,440 members of AMSAT, not huge by any means. ARRL has 161,000 members.
Add some of the other groups, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPR, any others?
Sure there is some overlap, but those members will be more likely to contribute. How many would contribute to a GEO program? 35,000? if the average were $300, if collected over 4 years, a small amount. $10,500,000. The project would have to be well spelled out and provide interest to a wide number of experimenters. The funds would have to be earmarked for the project.
Can we leverage on huge success of the QO-100???
.............................
The Spacecraft; A commercial ride along. This would solve a lot of problems such as:
- Orbital Debris Mitigation
- Solar Power
- Redundancy
- Thermal Control
- Longevity
(Please feel free to add problems _solved_. Lets be positive for once)
...........................
The transponder:
- Qatar-OSCAR 100 design sure seems achievable! It is proven to Amateur and commercial community. When can we sign the order?
- 2.4 GHz S band uplink 10 GHz X band downlink
- Bent pipe VS digital argument: Why not do both? NB side stays analog, WB side digital like P4XT proposal
.................
Who benefits:?
- Most importantly, boomers like me who have SSB equipment need only to build one or two transporters. Not really that hard.
- Newbies techs who want to experiment and communicate digitally
- SAR and EM teams can actually have 365/24/7 emergency satellite transponders both analog and digital without the huge monthly outlay.
- Universities, ARISS, etc can up link from LEO satellites and ISS via OSCAR-2024 to simple ground stations. Uplink Doppler could be controlled by having those space terminals monitor a polling/beacon from a ground station and adjusting accordingly. Similarly experiments deployed in jungles can use the satellite. With coordination and MOU with Qatar-OSCAR 100, both satellites and hemispheres could each benefit from a wider footprint of both satellites.
- AMSAT ARRL, AMRAD, SVHFS, AMRAD, TAPREtc through increased interest in satellites, digital experimentation and ham radio in general
- Commercial entities gaining recognition by providing in-kind services. Elon Musk SpaceX, etc.
Who else benefits? Those who benefit will donate. Again _positive _comments right now. Problems can be fixed later.
.................
-- Joe Leikhim
Leikhim and Associates
Communications Consultants
Oviedo, Florida
407-982-0446
WWW.LEIKHIM.COM
Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
One thing that has not been discussed is regulatory restrictions. Raising the necessary funds to develop, build, and launch a satellite into MEO, HEO, or GEO is not enough. One, if not the biggest hurdle to reaching beyond LEO is the U.S. regulatory environment. AMSAT VP of Engineering, Jerry Buxton, N0JY, has brought this up several times on this forum and in his AMSAT Engineering Updates, but, unfortunately, it seems to fall on deaf ears. Every time this conversation reemerges, it always comes back to money. Space, as it turns out, is not that big, especially in relationship to the part of it surrounding Earth. The proliferation of spacecraft and space debris orbiting our planet will soon be unmanageable. Governments around the World are enacting orbital debris mitigation regulations that are making it harder to operate in space, and the U.S. is leading the charge. THis is our greatest risk. AMSAT Executive Vice President Paul Stoetzer, N8HM, has been leading the AMSAT effort to address the pending regulatory actions on orbital debris mitigation at the FCC. Look for a more comprehensive update from Paul in the May/June edition of The AMSAT Journal. Orbits above 600 kilometers are facing increased scrutiny, with required flight-proven low-risk transfer orbit, long-term reentry, and/or improved move-away-and-stay-away storage options for orbital lifespans more than 25 years. However, proving you can get there and operate responsibly is not enough. Every mission is closely evaluated to ensure it serves the greater benefit of all, which, at this time, strongly favors commercial and scientific interests. Anyone who has been to space knows that there is way more to it than just having a dream and a pocket full of money. There are too many amateur satellite projects left on the drawing board or wasting away in a storeroom or garage, because those in charge did not take into account everything that it takes to get there. It takes a comprehensive understanding of our regulatory challenges, a reputation built on flight-proven experience, and established relationships with all key players in the space industry. AMSAT has that, and, more importantly they have a plan to get us there. The first step is GOLF-TEE, whose sole purpose is to demonstrate the necessary equipment to operate above LEO. GOLF is more than just a catchy acronym for greater orbit larger footprint. It is a commitment to return to greater orbits. It will not happen today, or even tomorrow, but it will happen.
73, Robert, KE4AL
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