Re: [amsat-bb] QIKCOM-2 SPoken Messages (Valid Contacts - DONE!)
Frank K5HS (ex KR1ZAN) came up with an excellent suggestion. Simply add the revolving QSO number to the downlinked GRID report!
Then we need only the QSL message so that both stations can QSL each others grid!... So the DTMF grid will come down now as:
"Grid FM19 from WB4APR QSO number X."
A reply DTMF QSL message from someone else will be "W3ADO says QSL QSO number _. Thanks for the contact".
Done. And this is an elegant simple solution that fits and the CPU only has 8 bytes of program memory left! (but 12k of message memory left)...
Bob, Wb4APR
-----Original Message----- From: prstoetzer@gmail.com [mailto:prstoetzer@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 9:05 AM To: Robert Bruninga Cc: amsat bb Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QIKCOM-2 SPoken Messages (Valid Contacts)
Generally a QSO is considered to be an exchange of calls and one other piece of information - whether that's a signal report, grid square, serial number, name, etc.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
Maybe what I really need to know, is whether a grid exchange is required to constitute a valid satellite contact, or just an exchange of calls?
Bob
*From:* Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga@usna.edu] *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:12 PM *To:* amsat bb *Cc:* Robert Bruninga *Subject:* Re: QIKCOM-2 SPoken Messages
AMSAT Armchair "contact" lawyers:
Continuing with the DTMF message ideas. What kind of exchange "counts" for satellite contacts? (where counting matters)? Does it really have to be CQ... QSL... and then QSL ...?
For the DTMF Voice system, we could have two more messages:
" CQ Satellite, my number is *" (the satellite assigns the digit *)
" QSL number _, my number is *" (station enters the _ in his reply)
Usage would be:
A station sends a DTMF uplink message "WB4APR says CQ Satellite my number is X".
A responding station sends "W3ADO says QSL number X, my number is Y"
Finishing it off with "WB4APR says QSL number Y, my number is X.
Another station joins in "W4XYZ says QSL number X, my number is Z
and the reply could be "WB4APR says QSL Number Z, my number is X...
WB4APR made two valid contacts with XYZ and ADO.
In otherwords is that required for an exchange? The number for "My number is *." is assigned sequencially for the pass, so that it is unique. The QSL station always has to enter the number of the matching station to which he is responding.
Just a thought. Or does anyone give a hoot about counting satellite "contacts"?
Bob, Wb4APR
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
In addition to all of the numbered ARL messages, we have now implemented all of these additional messages (as adjusted to fit) and found it was trivial to include a "0-9" modifier in messages... wherever a " _" appears. There is still some room.
Remember, for the sender using DTMF the message and callsign always fits into 16 digits from the DTMF keypad. The format is:
CeMMxCCCCCCpppp#
Where e is an emergency flag which, along with x, must be 9 if this is a true emergency message otherwise it says "TEST ... " Where MM is the message number (00 to 99) Where x is a numeric modifier for messages with a "_" in them. Where CCCCCC is the callsign in DTMF and pppp is the key position codes for the 6 letters See http://aprs.org/qikcom-2.html
Here are the new ones implemented.
W2JV suggested: “Greetings from AMSAT. Keeping ham radio in space over 44 years”.
WA1KAT suggested: There is no cell service here. Cell battery is dead. Cell power charging is limited. Radio power charging is limited. Next contact time available in 90 minutes. (time of one full orbit) Next contact time is tomorrow. Contact me on _ Meter band. (interpret as 1=160, 2=2m, 3=30, 8=80, etc)
Bob added: Demonstrating APRStt at Hamfest Demonstrating APRStt to friends I am on schedule. I may be delayed _ hours I may be delayed _ days I may be early _ hours I May be early _ days I may quit early _ stops I may go farther _ stops We are camping and enjoying it greatly. We are hiking and enjoying it greatly. Call me on my cell. Call my cell on the hour. Please Send items number _. (1=Money,2= food, water, supplies, shoes, sleeping bag, blanket,fuel) We are operating on emergency power. We are operating on solar power.
Just thinkin... Bob, WB4APR
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote: Inviting proposed standard messages for the next APRS Satellite:
Our next QIKCOM-2 APRS satellite will accept 2 digit uplink DTMF messages to be spoken on the downlink. We have already programmed all of the ARRL standard radio grams and emergency messages. But there is room for more. So think.... What kind of message would you want to send (that is not included in the existing ones) from your HT out in the wilderness. At a hamfest? or any other HAM Radio event or opportunity. Keep them simple and of the same order of length as the existing ones. The existing ones are listed here: http://nts.ema.arrl.org/node/30 But the implementation cannot include blanks for fill-in like the regular ones. But any sentence that stands alone can work. Just thought I'd open it up. Plenty of RAM and only 1 week before delivery... Serious considerations only. Thanks Bob, WB4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
This would work... after all the looking up of the rules on the previous message.
73...bruce
On 7/27/2015 9:25 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote:
Frank K5HS (ex KR1ZAN) came up with an excellent suggestion. Simply add the revolving QSO number to the downlinked GRID report!
Then we need only the QSL message so that both stations can QSL each others grid!... So the DTMF grid will come down now as:
"Grid FM19 from WB4APR QSO number X."
A reply DTMF QSL message from someone else will be "W3ADO says QSL QSO number _. Thanks for the contact".
Done. And this is an elegant simple solution that fits and the CPU only has 8 bytes of program memory left! (but 12k of message memory left)...
Bob, Wb4APR
-----Original Message----- From: prstoetzer@gmail.com [mailto:prstoetzer@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 9:05 AM To: Robert Bruninga Cc: amsat bb Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] QIKCOM-2 SPoken Messages (Valid Contacts)
Generally a QSO is considered to be an exchange of calls and one other piece of information - whether that's a signal report, grid square, serial number, name, etc.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
Maybe what I really need to know, is whether a grid exchange is required to constitute a valid satellite contact, or just an exchange of calls?
Bob
*From:* Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga@usna.edu] *Sent:* Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:12 PM *To:* amsat bb *Cc:* Robert Bruninga *Subject:* Re: QIKCOM-2 SPoken Messages
AMSAT Armchair "contact" lawyers:
Continuing with the DTMF message ideas. What kind of exchange "counts" for satellite contacts? (where counting matters)? Does it really have to be CQ... QSL... and then QSL ...?
For the DTMF Voice system, we could have two more messages:
" CQ Satellite, my number is *" (the satellite assigns the digit *)
" QSL number _, my number is *" (station enters the _ in his reply)
Usage would be:
A station sends a DTMF uplink message "WB4APR says CQ Satellite my number is X".
A responding station sends "W3ADO says QSL number X, my number is Y"
Finishing it off with "WB4APR says QSL number Y, my number is X.
Another station joins in "W4XYZ says QSL number X, my number is Z
and the reply could be "WB4APR says QSL Number Z, my number is X...
WB4APR made two valid contacts with XYZ and ADO.
In otherwords is that required for an exchange? The number for "My number is *." is assigned sequencially for the pass, so that it is unique. The QSL station always has to enter the number of the matching station to which he is responding.
Just a thought. Or does anyone give a hoot about counting satellite "contacts"?
Bob, Wb4APR
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote:
In addition to all of the numbered ARL messages, we have now implemented all of these additional messages (as adjusted to fit) and found it was trivial to include a "0-9" modifier in messages... wherever a " _" appears. There is still some room.
Remember, for the sender using DTMF the message and callsign always fits into 16 digits from the DTMF keypad. The format is:
CeMMxCCCCCCpppp#
Where e is an emergency flag which, along with x, must be 9 if this is a true emergency message otherwise it says "TEST ... " Where MM is the message number (00 to 99) Where x is a numeric modifier for messages with a "_" in them. Where CCCCCC is the callsign in DTMF and pppp is the key position codes for the 6 letters See http://aprs.org/qikcom-2.html
Here are the new ones implemented.
W2JV suggested: “Greetings from AMSAT. Keeping ham radio in space over 44 years”.
WA1KAT suggested: There is no cell service here. Cell battery is dead. Cell power charging is limited. Radio power charging is limited. Next contact time available in 90 minutes. (time of one full orbit) Next contact time is tomorrow. Contact me on _ Meter band. (interpret as 1=160, 2=2m, 3=30, 8=80, etc)
Bob added: Demonstrating APRStt at Hamfest Demonstrating APRStt to friends I am on schedule. I may be delayed _ hours I may be delayed _ days I may be early _ hours I May be early _ days I may quit early _ stops I may go farther _ stops We are camping and enjoying it greatly. We are hiking and enjoying it greatly. Call me on my cell. Call my cell on the hour. Please Send items number _. (1=Money,2= food, water, supplies, shoes, sleeping bag, blanket,fuel) We are operating on emergency power. We are operating on solar power.
Just thinkin... Bob, WB4APR
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu wrote: Inviting proposed standard messages for the next APRS Satellite:
Our next QIKCOM-2 APRS satellite will accept 2 digit uplink DTMF messages to be spoken on the downlink. We have already programmed all of the ARRL standard radio grams and emergency messages. But there is room for more. So think.... What kind of message would you want to send (that is not included in the existing ones) from your HT out in the wilderness. At a hamfest? or any other HAM Radio event or opportunity. Keep them simple and of the same order of length as the existing ones. The existing ones are listed here: http://nts.ema.arrl.org/node/30 But the implementation cannot include blanks for fill-in like the regular ones. But any sentence that stands alone can work. Just thought I'd open it up. Plenty of RAM and only 1 week before delivery... Serious considerations only. Thanks Bob, WB4APR _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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