I'm following with interest the post on FM versus linear transponders. Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM LEO station that can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of a new rig which I think I may be able to once again afford sometime after the first of the year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA is taking and I applaud it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't hear much of anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch was deemed beyond reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their government to help. Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a chance we will see it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed in storage somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ
Michael,
AMSAT-DL, with the occasional support of other AMSAT organizations, is still working on getting it launched. I expect that it will find a ride, probably unexpectedly, as is often the case. It would be a tragedy to someday find the launch article in a museum somewhere. However, it is clear that launches beyond LEO are going to be few and far between for amateur satellites. Hence the shift in emphasis you have noted.
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tondee Sent: 09 November, 2009 18:30 To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
I'm following with interest the post on FM versus linear transponders. Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM LEO station that can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of a new rig which I think I may be able to once again afford sometime after the first of the year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA is taking and I applaud it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't hear much of anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch was deemed beyond reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their government to help. Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a chance we will see it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed in storage somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
I appreciate the answer Alan. I wasn't hearing anything about it and that does get discouraging. It would indeed be tragic for it never to see space after all the work that was put into it. As I said, I do support the AMSAT NA board in what they are now trying to do. I think we should take any opportunity to get usable satellites in orbit, be it LEO or wherever. I also think it shouldn't matter whether they are FM or linear transponders, we should support all efforts.. Even though I'd like to see more linear transponders, it's tough to stomach the cynical and sarcastic attitude of some here towards the FM sats. 73, Michael, W4HIJ
Alan P. Biddle wrote:
Michael,
AMSAT-DL, with the occasional support of other AMSAT organizations, is still working on getting it launched. I expect that it will find a ride, probably unexpectedly, as is often the case. It would be a tragedy to someday find the launch article in a museum somewhere. However, it is clear that launches beyond LEO are going to be few and far between for amateur satellites. Hence the shift in emphasis you have noted.
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tondee Sent: 09 November, 2009 18:30 To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
I'm following with interest the post on FM versus linear transponders. Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM LEO station that can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of a new rig which I think I may be able to once again afford sometime after the first of the year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA is taking and I applaud it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't hear much of anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch was deemed beyond reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their government to help. Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a chance we will see it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed in storage somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ _______________________________________________
There was a demonstration of data transfer between the engineering model of the Integrated Housekeeping Unit, IHU-3, and a laptop via the 400 bit/s PSK interface at the recent AMSAT-DL AGM
See EGM report in Google English at http://www.tinyurl.com/AMSAT-DL
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Tue, 10/11/09, Michael Tondee mat_62@netcommander.com wrote:
From: Michael Tondee mat_62@netcommander.com Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point? To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Cc: "'Amsat BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 21:18 I appreciate the answer Alan. I wasn't hearing anything about it and that does get discouraging. It would indeed be tragic for it never to see space after all the work that was put into it. As I said, I do support the AMSAT NA board in what they are now trying to do. I think we should take any opportunity to get usable satellites in orbit, be it LEO or wherever. I also think it shouldn't matter whether they are FM or linear transponders, we should support all efforts.. Even though I'd like to see more linear transponders, it's tough to stomach the cynical and sarcastic attitude of some here towards the FM sats. 73, Michael, W4HIJ
Alan P. Biddle wrote:
Michael,
AMSAT-DL, with the occasional support of other AMSAT
organizations, is still
working on getting it launched. I expect that it
will find a ride, probably
unexpectedly, as is often the case. It would be
a tragedy to someday find
the launch article in a museum somewhere.
However, it is clear that
launches beyond LEO are going to be few and far
between for amateur
satellites. Hence the shift in emphasis you have
noted.
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org
[mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Tondee Sent: 09 November, 2009 18:30 To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] So is P3E essentially dead at this
point?
I'm following with interest the post on FM versus
linear transponders.
Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM
LEO station that
can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of
a new rig which I
think I may be able to once again afford sometime
after the first of the
year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA
is taking and I applaud
it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't
hear much of
anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch
was deemed beyond
reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their
government to help.
Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a
chance we will see
it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed
in storage
somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ _______________________________________________
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Hi Michael and Alan,
I can only repeat what Alan already said... Work on P3-E is continuing and we are busy looking for launch possibilities and other ways for financing it, i.e. on coat-tails of the P5 Mars Mission. This is our top priority at the moment and that's why you may not have heard so much about P3-E these days. Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3 satellites. The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars mission.. Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in our own team to do the work. We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope translations will find their's way into other magazines...
73s Peter, DB2OS
Alan P. Biddle wrote:
Michael,
AMSAT-DL, with the occasional support of other AMSAT organizations, is still working on getting it launched. I expect that it will find a ride, probably unexpectedly, as is often the case. It would be a tragedy to someday find the launch article in a museum somewhere. However, it is clear that launches beyond LEO are going to be few and far between for amateur satellites. Hence the shift in emphasis you have noted.
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tondee Sent: 09 November, 2009 18:30 To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
I'm following with interest the post on FM versus linear transponders. Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM LEO station that can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of a new rig which I think I may be able to once again afford sometime after the first of the year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA is taking and I applaud it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't hear much of anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch was deemed beyond reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their government to help. Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a chance we will see it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed in storage somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Hi Peter,
I can indeed confirm that Oscar News no 187 does include a good number of captioned fotos of P3E and her current location and environment.
ON187 is due to be sent to AMSAT-UK members within the next 10 days.
It is possible to join AMSAT-UK using our online application form which can be found here https://secure.amsat.org.uk/subs_form/welcome.asp
Advertisement message ends here:)
73
Graham G3VZV
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Guelzow" peter.guelzow@kourou.de To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Cc: "'Amsat BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:39 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
Hi Michael and Alan,
I can only repeat what Alan already said... Work on P3-E is continuing and we are busy looking for launch possibilities and other ways for financing it, i.e. on coat-tails of the P5 Mars Mission. This is our top priority at the moment and that's why you may not have heard so much about P3-E these days. Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3 satellites. The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars mission.. Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in our own team to do the work. We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope translations will find their's way into other magazines...
73s Peter, DB2OS
Alan P. Biddle wrote:
Michael,
AMSAT-DL, with the occasional support of other AMSAT organizations, is still working on getting it launched. I expect that it will find a ride, probably unexpectedly, as is often the case. It would be a tragedy to someday find the launch article in a museum somewhere. However, it is clear that launches beyond LEO are going to be few and far between for amateur satellites. Hence the shift in emphasis you have noted.
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tondee Sent: 09 November, 2009 18:30 To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
I'm following with interest the post on FM versus linear transponders. Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM LEO station that can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of a new rig which I think I may be able to once again afford sometime after the first of the year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA is taking and I applaud it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't hear much of anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch was deemed beyond reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their government to help. Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a chance we will see it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed in storage somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Very nice to hear. I do apologize for my earlier characterization of a "a poor dead bird". Reading it over, it came out a bit harsher than I meant. I hope I didn't offend anyone. Thank you very much for your hard work and effort. 73, Michael Peter Guelzow wrote:
Hi Michael and Alan,
I can only repeat what Alan already said... Work on P3-E is continuing and we are busy looking for launch possibilities and other ways for financing it, i.e. on coat-tails of the P5 Mars Mission. This is our top priority at the moment and that's why you may not have heard so much about P3-E these days. Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3 satellites. The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars mission.. Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in our own team to do the work. We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope translations will find their's way into other magazines...
73s Peter, DB2OS
Alan P. Biddle wrote:
Michael,
AMSAT-DL, with the occasional support of other AMSAT organizations, is still working on getting it launched. I expect that it will find a ride, probably unexpectedly, as is often the case. It would be a tragedy to someday find the launch article in a museum somewhere. However, it is clear that launches beyond LEO are going to be few and far between for amateur satellites. Hence the shift in emphasis you have noted.
Alan WA4SCA
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael Tondee Sent: 09 November, 2009 18:30 To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
I'm following with interest the post on FM versus linear transponders. Right now I'm in the middle of putting together and FM LEO station that can later be made SSB/CW capable with the addition of a new rig which I think I may be able to once again afford sometime after the first of the year. I've read all about the new direction Amsat NA is taking and I applaud it as I think that's what's best. I still wonder about Amsat DL and P3E though. I don't hear much of anything anymore. Last I heard, the figure Arianne space gave for launch was deemed beyond reach and Amsat DL was going to try and get their government to help. Just wondering what the status is. Is there still a chance we will see it in orbit or is it just a poor dead bird mothballed in storage somewhere now? 73, Michael, W4HIJ _______________________________________________
On 10 Nov 2009 at 22:39, Peter Guelzow wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:39:39 +0100 From: Peter Guelzow peter.guelzow@kourou.de Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point? To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Copies to: 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org
Excerpts:
Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3 satellites. The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars mission.. Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in our own team to do the work. We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope translations will find their's way into other magazines...
73s Peter, DB2OS
This ITAR new strategic issue still does not added up correctly here... as the translation from our German friends who are not present at all on the AMSAT-NA web site when we can read a lot of english translated articles on AMSAT-DL web site.
Bill wrote in a previous thread:
As stated earlier, ITAR applies equally to universities, NASA, members of the military except when specific State Department exemptions/agreements are in place.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Could be as he also wrote:
It's just that most AMSAT-NA satellite builders were unaware of ITAR issues related to satellites, and just what can and cannot be done to be compliant.
The builders where not aware but what about NASA? Just read this 2001 special bulletin on the AO-40 GPS experiment. SPONSORED BY NASA!!!
Special Bulletin AO-40
* Subject: [amsat-bb] Special Bulletin AO-40 * From: VEFRH@xxxxxxx * Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:26:37 EDT
ANS is pleased to report that the GPS experiment on AO-40 has undergone successful testing. This experiment supplied and sponsored by NASA, is to determine if it is possible to get positional data outside of the GPS ring of satellites.
There are two GPS receivers on AO-40, the A receiver for receiving signals around apogee and the B receiver for signal reception around perigee. Both receivers are operational, and Data is passed from the receivers through the RUDAK to the S-band transmitter.
Jim White WD0E, has been the AMSAT coordinator and chief operator for this activity, reports that "we received a signal on the apogee receiver from about 52 Thousand Kilometres out with good signal levels, further data is being gathered and those downloaded so far are being analysed.
Frank Bauer KA3HDO, AMSAT-VP Human Spaceflight Programs, and instrumental in setting up the GPS experiment, said "If this experiment goes the way I expect, it will revolutionise the way we use GPS in Space. Many future HEO spacecraft will be able to take advantage of GPS for autonomous navigation and stationkeeping".
AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH, was delighted with the news of the GPS success, and commented that "It is great to be able to help our friends at NASA. Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers. Now at last we have a very positive result from this important experiment."
Stay tuned to ANS for further details as they become available.
ANS Editor Dan James (N0DJ@amsat.org)
If i don't believe ITAR is not a convenient tool used to stay away from any international cooperation keeping the funds for the last AMSAT- NA cube project the "1U CubeSat" there is a huge PR problem within AMSAT-NA who seems to rely on lawyers trying to explain an open P3E and P5-A project and what security issues theses 2 projects can represent to the national security?
Knock knock instead of trying to find a way to fit AMSAT-NA in ITAR with exceptions, why not working the reverse way in explaining where are the security issues in the AMSAT-NA mission and actions? or asking them?
I can believe wearing steel pants i will be quite protected from any potential/invisible external hasard but in doing so i'm exposing myself to a real visible and well documented internal steel pants issue...
I now know where " the snow will hit the fan" came! It was coming from a hi-rise ventilation worker wearing steel pants.
P.S."This evening´s November 7, 2009 shipment of the first two Soyuz vehicles from Russia to the Spaceport in French Guiana brings Arianespace one step closer to the next major expansion of its growing commercial launcher family." Is there will be some free ballast available for an amateur HEO?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
I had to deal with ITAR issues at a previous employer, with assistance from a lawyer who was a specialist in this area, and everything that AMSAT-NA officials have said sounds correct to me.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Leblanc" lucleblanc6@videotron.ca To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 03:11 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
On 10 Nov 2009 at 22:39, Peter Guelzow wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:39:39 +0100 From: Peter Guelzow peter.guelzow@kourou.de Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point? To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Copies to: 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org
Excerpts:
Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3 satellites. The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars mission.. Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in our own team to do the work. We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope translations will find their's way into other magazines...
73s Peter, DB2OS
This ITAR new strategic issue still does not added up correctly here... as the translation from our German friends who are not present at all on the AMSAT-NA web site when we can read a lot of english translated articles on AMSAT-DL web site.
Bill wrote in a previous thread:
As stated earlier, ITAR applies equally to universities, NASA, members of the military except when specific State Department exemptions/agreements are in place.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Could be as he also wrote:
It's just that most AMSAT-NA satellite builders were unaware of ITAR issues related to satellites, and just what can and cannot be done to be compliant.
The builders where not aware but what about NASA? Just read this 2001 special bulletin on the AO-40 GPS experiment. SPONSORED BY NASA!!!
Special Bulletin AO-40
* Subject: [amsat-bb] Special Bulletin AO-40 * From: VEFRH@xxxxxxx * Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:26:37 EDT
ANS is pleased to report that the GPS experiment on AO-40 has undergone successful testing. This experiment supplied and sponsored by NASA, is to determine if it is possible to get positional data outside of the GPS ring of satellites.
There are two GPS receivers on AO-40, the A receiver for receiving signals around apogee and the B receiver for signal reception around perigee. Both receivers are operational, and Data is passed from the receivers through the RUDAK to the S-band transmitter.
Jim White WD0E, has been the AMSAT coordinator and chief operator for this activity, reports that "we received a signal on the apogee receiver from about 52 Thousand Kilometres out with good signal levels, further data is being gathered and those downloaded so far are being analysed.
Frank Bauer KA3HDO, AMSAT-VP Human Spaceflight Programs, and instrumental in setting up the GPS experiment, said "If this experiment goes the way I expect, it will revolutionise the way we use GPS in Space. Many future HEO spacecraft will be able to take advantage of GPS for autonomous navigation and stationkeeping".
AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH, was delighted with the news of the GPS success, and commented that "It is great to be able to help our friends at NASA. Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers. Now at last we have a very positive result from this important experiment."
Stay tuned to ANS for further details as they become available.
ANS Editor Dan James (N0DJ@amsat.org)
If i don't believe ITAR is not a convenient tool used to stay away from any international cooperation keeping the funds for the last AMSAT- NA cube project the "1U CubeSat" there is a huge PR problem within AMSAT-NA who seems to rely on lawyers trying to explain an open P3E and P5-A project and what security issues theses 2 projects can represent to the national security?
Knock knock instead of trying to find a way to fit AMSAT-NA in ITAR with exceptions, why not working the reverse way in explaining where are the security issues in the AMSAT-NA mission and actions? or asking them?
I can believe wearing steel pants i will be quite protected from any potential/invisible external hasard but in doing so i'm exposing myself to a real visible and well documented internal steel pants issue...
I now know where " the snow will hit the fan" came! It was coming from a hi-rise ventilation worker wearing steel pants.
P.S."This evening´s November 7, 2009 shipment of the first two Soyuz vehicles from Russia to the Spaceport in French Guiana brings Arianespace one step closer to the next major expansion of its growing commercial launcher family." Is there will be some free ballast available for an amateur HEO?
"-"
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe DSTAR urcall VE2DWE WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
_______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
The ITAR-rules is one of the biggest carp ever.
The solution is to MAKE EVERYTHING OPEN SOURCE:
Make a website where every amateur can download the schematics, pcbs layouts, software,... This will be a great help. Make your designs more open. Every amateur will benefit from this action.
For example:
An ham radio organisation wants to build a satellite. Is cost alot in research and devolpemt in the receivers and transmitters. We can overcome this problem by reusing design for other satellite. They want a 2M FM reciever. AO-51 has a 2M reciever. Why we can't use that design? They want also a S band FM transmitter. idem ditto of AO-51. But they want an other house keeping unit. Which they build themselves. Then they put it in a 1U cube sat, wait for a launch opportunity. And we have a nice bird.
I thought over this problem.
73
Robin ON8RTH
2009/11/11 John B. Stephensen kd6ozh@comcast.net:
I had to deal with ITAR issues at a previous employer, with assistance from a lawyer who was a specialist in this area, and everything that AMSAT-NA officials have said sounds correct to me.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Leblanc" lucleblanc6@videotron.ca To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Cc: eu-amsat@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 03:11 UTC Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
On 10 Nov 2009 at 22:39, Peter Guelzow wrote:
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:39:39 +0100 From: Peter Guelzow peter.guelzow@kourou.de Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point? To: APBIDDLE@mailaps.org Copies to: 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org
Excerpts:
Substantial progress was recently made on the new IHU-3 and getting IPS working on it, the S/C operating system used on all previous P3 satellites. The new IHU-3 is not only essential for P3-E, but also for the P5-A Mars mission.. Due to some problems discussed here before, we had to find new people in our own team to do the work. We had some good articles in our past AMSAT-DL Journal, I hope translations will find their's way into other magazines...
73s Peter, DB2OS
This ITAR new strategic issue still does not added up correctly here... as the translation from our German friends who are not present at all on the AMSAT-NA web site when we can read a lot of english translated articles on AMSAT-DL web site.
Bill wrote in a previous thread:
As stated earlier, ITAR applies equally to universities, NASA, members of the military except when specific State Department exemptions/agreements are in place.
Regards...Bill - N6GHz
Could be as he also wrote:
It's just that most AMSAT-NA satellite builders were unaware of ITAR issues related to satellites, and just what can and cannot be done to be compliant.
The builders where not aware but what about NASA? Just read this 2001 special bulletin on the AO-40 GPS experiment. SPONSORED BY NASA!!!
Special Bulletin AO-40
* Subject: [amsat-bb] Special Bulletin AO-40 * From: VEFRH@xxxxxxx * Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:26:37 EDT
ANS is pleased to report that the GPS experiment on AO-40 has undergone successful testing. This experiment supplied and sponsored by NASA, is to determine if it is possible to get positional data outside of the GPS ring of satellites.
There are two GPS receivers on AO-40, the A receiver for receiving signals around apogee and the B receiver for signal reception around perigee. Both receivers are operational, and Data is passed from the receivers through the RUDAK to the S-band transmitter.
Jim White WD0E, has been the AMSAT coordinator and chief operator for this activity, reports that "we received a signal on the apogee receiver from about 52 Thousand Kilometres out with good signal levels, further data is being gathered and those downloaded so far are being analysed.
Frank Bauer KA3HDO, AMSAT-VP Human Spaceflight Programs, and instrumental in setting up the GPS experiment, said "If this experiment goes the way I expect, it will revolutionise the way we use GPS in Space. Many future HEO spacecraft will be able to take advantage of GPS for autonomous navigation and stationkeeping".
AMSAT President Robin Haighton, VE3FRH, was delighted with the news of the GPS success, and commented that "It is great to be able to help our friends at NASA. Testing this experiment has been a long time in coming, and we were worried that radiation may have damaged the GPS receivers. Now at last we have a very positive result from this important experiment."
Stay tuned to ANS for further details as they become available.
ANS Editor Dan James (N0DJ@amsat.org)
If i don't believe ITAR is not a convenient tool used to stay away from any international cooperation keeping the funds for the last AMSAT- NA cube project the "1U CubeSat" there is a huge PR problem within AMSAT-NA who seems to rely on lawyers trying to explain an open P3E and P5-A project and what security issues theses 2 projects can represent to the national security?
Knock knock instead of trying to find a way to fit AMSAT-NA in ITAR with exceptions, why not working the reverse way in explaining where are the security issues in the AMSAT-NA mission and actions? or asking them?
I can believe wearing steel pants i will be quite protected from any potential/invisible external hasard but in doing so i'm exposing myself to a real visible and well documented internal steel pants issue...
I now know where " the snow will hit the fan" came! It was coming from a hi-rise ventilation worker wearing steel pants.
P.S."This evening´s November 7, 2009 shipment of the first two Soyuz vehicles from Russia to the Spaceport in French Guiana brings Arianespace one step closer to the next major expansion of its growing commercial launcher family." Is there will be some free ballast available for an amateur HEO?
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Unfortunately, ITAR is federal law in this country so U.S. residents must work within its limits.
73,
John KD6OZH
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Theunis" robint91@gmail.com To: "John B. Stephensen" kd6ozh@comcast.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:15 UTC Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: So is P3E essentially dead at this point?
The ITAR-rules is one of the biggest carp ever.
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Robin ON8RTH
2009/11/11 John B. Stephensen kd6ozh@comcast.net:
I had to deal with ITAR issues at a previous employer, with assistance from a lawyer who was a specialist in this area, and everything that AMSAT-NA officials have said sounds correct to me.
73,
John KD6OZH
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