At 08:25 PM 7/18/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:
Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the birds path across the sky,
Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
geeech,
Joe WB9SBD
Joe,
I had exactly the same thoughts, but hesitated to say it for fear the one who made the comment would not understand "twisting a knob"!!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO dguimon1@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn.... Pulling for P3E...
Yeah, maybe on 435-MHz but try doing that at 1268 or 2400 on the Leos! Not very easy/practical. One hand tunes the uplink, other moves azimuth, third the elevation, and fourth keys the mic...fifth keeps the log...uhuh.
I find operating ordinary old mode-B or mode-J hard enough and think auto-tracking (at least) is made for the Leos. For AO-10/13/40 its non-issue, of course, Doppler rates and tracking rates are lower.
Ed - KL7UW
I guess if I was looking for easy I would just work the FM 2 meter repeater on the 3000 foot mountain 8 miles from here. It does not require antenna control or doppler tracking. Well I do actual use that repeater but not for reasons of ease.
Sure working satellite is a effort but when you are out at field day and you work that L/u station on AO-51 it sure is a feeling of accomplishment. At least for me it is.
Come on guys lets get back to what we got into this hobby for. Communicating was what got me involved. So anyone interested in just a short chat look for me on AO-7 or VO-52 or anything else up there even that 2 meter repeater up there.
On 7/19/08, Edward Cole kl7uw@acsalaska.net wrote:
At 08:25 PM 7/18/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:
Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the birds path across the sky,
Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
geeech,
Joe WB9SBD
Joe,
I had exactly the same thoughts, but hesitated to say it for fear the one who made the comment would not understand "twisting a knob"!!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO dguimon1@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn.... Pulling for P3E...Yeah, maybe on 435-MHz but try doing that at 1268 or 2400 on the Leos! Not very easy/practical. One hand tunes the uplink, other moves azimuth, third the elevation, and fourth keys the mic...fifth keeps the log...uhuh.
I find operating ordinary old mode-B or mode-J hard enough and think auto-tracking (at least) is made for the Leos. For AO-10/13/40 its non-issue, of course, Doppler rates and tracking rates are lower.
Ed - KL7UW
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Whatever, We did it all the time, somewewhat like contesting, multitasking, talking, logging, duping, tuning, antenna adjusting, did it all, all the time, not a biggie, hmmmm?
whatever.
Edward Cole wrote:
At 08:25 PM 7/18/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:
Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the birds path across the sky,
Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
geeech,
Joe WB9SBD
Joe,
I had exactly the same thoughts, but hesitated to say it for fear the one who made the comment would not understand "twisting a knob"!!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO dguimon1@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn.... Pulling for P3E...Yeah, maybe on 435-MHz but try doing that at 1268 or 2400 on the Leos! Not very easy/practical. One hand tunes the uplink, other moves azimuth, third the elevation, and fourth keys the mic...fifth keeps the log...uhuh.
I find operating ordinary old mode-B or mode-J hard enough and think auto-tracking (at least) is made for the Leos. For AO-10/13/40 its non-issue, of course, Doppler rates and tracking rates are lower.
Ed - KL7UW
Hmmn, Kind of reminds me of the old joke about "when I was your age I walked six miles to school in the snow, uphill both ways!!!" I'm sure it's absolutely possible to track doppler by hand and chase each other up and down the band but why? What problem is it that some people seem to have with making things easier? Jeez!! 73, Michael, W4HIJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" nss@mwt.net To: "Edward Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net Cc: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
Whatever, We did it all the time, somewewhat like contesting, multitasking, talking, logging, duping, tuning, antenna adjusting, did it all, all the time, not a biggie, hmmmm?
whatever.
Edward Cole wrote:
At 08:25 PM 7/18/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:
Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the birds path across the sky,
Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
geeech,
Joe WB9SBD
Joe,
I had exactly the same thoughts, but hesitated to say it for fear the one who made the comment would not understand "twisting a knob"!!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO dguimon1@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn.... Pulling for P3E...Yeah, maybe on 435-MHz but try doing that at 1268 or 2400 on the Leos! Not very easy/practical. One hand tunes the uplink, other moves azimuth, third the elevation, and fourth keys the mic...fifth keeps the log...uhuh.
I find operating ordinary old mode-B or mode-J hard enough and think auto-tracking (at least) is made for the Leos. For AO-10/13/40 its non-issue, of course, Doppler rates and tracking rates are lower.
Ed - KL7UW
----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Cole" kl7uw@acsalaska.net To: "Dave Guimont" dguimon1@san.rr.com; "Joe" nss@mwt.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:28 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: where all the users
At 08:25 PM 7/18/2008, Dave Guimont wrote:
Yes puters do make it easyier, but not tottally absolutely necessary.
in the old days we tracked the birds using something called math,
Made little paper things with clear plastic overlays to simulate the birds path across the sky,
Doppler? uhhhh, we tristed the vfo to keep it in tune,
geeech,
Joe WB9SBD
Joe,
I had exactly the same thoughts, but hesitated to say it for fear the one who made the comment would not understand "twisting a knob"!!!
73, Dave, WB6LLO dguimon1@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn.... Pulling for P3E...Yeah, maybe on 435-MHz but try doing that at 1268 or 2400 on the Leos! Not very easy/practical. One hand tunes the uplink, other moves azimuth, third the elevation, and fourth keys the mic...fifth keeps the log...uhuh.
I find operating ordinary old mode-B or mode-J hard enough and think auto-tracking (at least) is made for the Leos. For AO-10/13/40 its non-issue, of course, Doppler rates and tracking rates are lower.
Ed - KL7UW
Hi Ed, KL7UW
In conlusion you are saying that a LEO FM satellite like AO-51 when working at 1268 or 2400 MHz is not suitable for beginners for newcomers and for the students because the operation requires a lot of money to compensate for doppler and traking and for a suitable tranceiver for the above frequencies..............and I agree with you because the mode L/S on AO40 was more economical and easier to do with no automatic antenna traking and only manual tuning twisting a knob.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
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