Hello,Questions about the discussion on inexpensive downlink using the satellite TV LNB's. Do they require any conversion to get from 11 Ghz down to the 10ghz ham band? If they don't, is there any significant loss in signal from being used on a different frequency than they were intended for? Is there anything posted on a Web page showing a working setup? Lastly, (I promise) Are there any working sats in the 10ghz range to test a system on?
Thanks and 73, James AA5AO Abilene Texas Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 3, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
El 29/12/15 a las 20:02, [email protected] escribió:
Hello,Questions about the discussion on inexpensive downlink using the satellite TV LNB's. Do they require any conversion to get from 11 Ghz down to the 10ghz ham band? If they don't, is there any significant loss in signal from being used on a different frequency than they were intended for? Is there anything posted on a Web page showing a working setup? Lastly, (I promise) Are there any working sats in the 10ghz range to test a system on?
Hi James,
I have used an Avenger PLL321S-2 LNB. This has good gain in the in the 10GHz band (although probably a bit less than in the 11GHz). With it I've been able to receive my local terrestrial beacon without using a dish. The beacon is 200mW, about 40km away and not line of sight, so I think that the receiving performance is OK for many ham applications.
The main problem is that the local oscillator in the LNB is not very stable. If you're using it for a narrow-band application, it will drift quite a bit.
I think that the situation (regarding gain in 10GHz and oscillator stability) is similar with all the satellite TV LNB's. Some people have done modifications to the LNB to improve the stability. The most popular are:
* To use an external PLL driven by a TCXO or OCXO. * To generate a strong carrier in the 10GHz band, to receive the carrier and the signal of interest with the LNB, and to use the carrier to mix the signal of interest down to, say 28MHz. Since the carrier and the signal are both affected to the same extent by the LNB LO drift, this cancels most of the drift.
Regarding sats in the 10GHz, I don't know of any which is working right now. If I recall correctly, the two future geostationary sats will have 10GHz downlinks. However, if you just want to play a bit, there are many geostationary which transmit narrowband data streams on the 11GHz band, so you could use this to test your setup.
Hi Daniel,
Apologies for a shameless New Year's plug but the two latest editions of Oscar News, # 211 and 212, both carry articles about successfully using these low cost devices. http://amsat-uk.org/tag/oscar-news/ You can join AMSAT-UK online and then easily download the magazines.
These devices should also be ideal for receiving signals from the Geostationary Eshailsat transponder.
73
Graham G3VZV
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Estévez Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] LNB use on 10 Ghz?
El 29/12/15 a las 20:02, [email protected] escribió:
Hello,Questions about the discussion on inexpensive downlink using the satellite TV LNB's. Do they require any conversion to get from 11 Ghz down to the 10ghz ham band? If they don't, is there any significant loss in signal from being used on a different frequency than they were intended for? Is there anything posted on a Web page showing a working setup? Lastly, (I promise) Are there any working sats in the 10ghz range to test a system on?
Hi James,
I have used an Avenger PLL321S-2 LNB. This has good gain in the in the 10GHz band (although probably a bit less than in the 11GHz). With it I've been able to receive my local terrestrial beacon without using a dish. The beacon is 200mW, about 40km away and not line of sight, so I think that the receiving performance is OK for many ham applications.
The main problem is that the local oscillator in the LNB is not very stable. If you're using it for a narrow-band application, it will drift quite a bit.
I think that the situation (regarding gain in 10GHz and oscillator stability) is similar with all the satellite TV LNB's. Some people have done modifications to the LNB to improve the stability. The most popular are:
* To use an external PLL driven by a TCXO or OCXO. * To generate a strong carrier in the 10GHz band, to receive the carrier and the signal of interest with the LNB, and to use the carrier to mix the signal of interest down to, say 28MHz. Since the carrier and the signal are both affected to the same extent by the LNB LO drift, this cancels most of the drift.
Regarding sats in the 10GHz, I don't know of any which is working right now. If I recall correctly, the two future geostationary sats will have 10GHz downlinks. However, if you just want to play a bit, there are many geostationary which transmit narrowband data streams on the 11GHz band, so you could use this to test your setup. _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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