can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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mr Bob, dont worry, Jeff skunk Baxter is taking care of this issue. hihi if that fails, we can all go back to wooden ships as suggested by crosby,stills,nash&young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBLHZwEXKeA
KFoG cm88pk ________________________________ From: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 4:18 PM To: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net Cc: amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] thanksgiving request
Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock <robertinorbit@webtv.netmailto:robertinorbit@webtv.net> wrote: can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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Besides not being legal, the moment that nations perceive amateur radio as an adversary, that is the end of amateur radio within their borders.
DXpeditions already have lots of problems with that, operators have been jailed, and even more often suddenly have permission to operate withdrawn, and of course there are the countries that we can't get that from it all. That we have satellites at all is seen by many as a threat. Now try to go to their country and operate satellites.
Most hams don't think very much about what we should be doing to make ourselves desirable to nations and motivate them to continue our frequency allocations. Especially for the next generation of hams, for whom Emergency Services will not be a viable mission. My holiday wish is that more of you would put in the thought time.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:19 PM Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com wrote:
Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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i apologize for my concern about commercial airliners being shot down by state sponsored terrorists with computers missiles bombs radio waves etc. they do not seem to need no stinkin license wow can anything be done or are the few tyrants in the world able to mind control 7.5Billion fools? or should we just cancel the whole freedom of speech thingy it really isnt working out if anybody is paranoid over a ham radio satellite, they probably should not be in charge of a military or country or even ordering lunch which hopefully is not stuck in a shipping container somewhere near a broken oil pipeline from the backed up ships anchor damage 73 KFoG cm88pk
________________________________ From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 2:37 PM To: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Cc: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net; amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: thanksgiving request
Besides not being legal, the moment that nations perceive amateur radio as an adversary, that is the end of amateur radio within their borders.
DXpeditions already have lots of problems with that, operators have been jailed, and even more often suddenly have permission to operate withdrawn, and of course there are the countries that we can't get that from it all. That we have satellites at all is seen by many as a threat. Now try to go to their country and operate satellites.
Most hams don't think very much about what we should be doing to make ourselves desirable to nations and motivate them to continue our frequency allocations. Especially for the next generation of hams, for whom Emergency Services will not be a viable mission. My holiday wish is that more of you would put in the thought time.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:19 PM Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier@gmail.commailto:rwmcgwier@gmail.com> wrote: Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock <robertinorbit@webtv.netmailto:robertinorbit@webtv.net> wrote: can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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Robert, nobody will disagree with you that stature-sponsored terrorism is awful. It is frustrating that the good guys must work within a framework of rules while the bad guys get to do whatever they want. But if the good guys didn't have to follow the rules, they'd very quickly become the bad guys. It's been tried. Some of the worst excesses are done by vigilantes. Of course, jamming is vigilantism. Disabling a missile guidance system probably also means some civilian aircraft will fly into a mountain because you can't be so selective that only the bad guys are jammed, and the bad guys don't cooperate by using special missile-only frequencies. They are more likely to masquerade as civilian navigation.
The world's problems are complicated, and it is very attractive to people to grab onto over-simple solutions that end up causing more horror. Whether it is "let's go out and kill all of the criminals" or "let's jam airborne guidance so that missiles can't kill people". Don't succumb to the urge.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:50 PM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
i apologize for my concern about commercial airliners being shot down by state sponsored terrorists with computers missiles bombs radio waves etc. they do not seem to need no stinkin license wow can anything be done or are the few tyrants in the world able to mind control 7.5Billion fools? or should we just cancel the whole freedom of speech thingy it really isnt working out if anybody is paranoid over a ham radio satellite, they probably should not be in charge of a military or country or even ordering lunch which hopefully is not stuck in a shipping container somewhere near a broken oil pipeline from the backed up ships anchor damage 73 KFoG cm88pk
From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 2:37 PM To: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Cc: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net; amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: thanksgiving request
Besides not being legal, the moment that nations perceive amateur radio as an adversary, that is the end of amateur radio within their borders.
DXpeditions already have lots of problems with that, operators have been jailed, and even more often suddenly have permission to operate withdrawn, and of course there are the countries that we can't get that from it all. That we have satellites at all is seen by many as a threat. Now try to go to their country and operate satellites.
Most hams don't think very much about what we should be doing to make ourselves desirable to nations and motivate them to continue our frequency allocations. Especially for the next generation of hams, for whom Emergency Services will not be a viable mission. My holiday wish is that more of you would put in the thought time.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:19 PM Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com wrote:
Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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roger wilco and thank you Bruce
________________________________ From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 4:08 PM To: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net Cc: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com; amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: thanksgiving request
Robert, nobody will disagree with you that stature-sponsored terrorism is awful. It is frustrating that the good guys must work within a framework of rules while the bad guys get to do whatever they want. But if the good guys didn't have to follow the rules, they'd very quickly become the bad guys. It's been tried. Some of the worst excesses are done by vigilantes. Of course, jamming is vigilantism. Disabling a missile guidance system probably also means some civilian aircraft will fly into a mountain because you can't be so selective that only the bad guys are jammed, and the bad guys don't cooperate by using special missile-only frequencies. They are more likely to masquerade as civilian navigation.
The world's problems are complicated, and it is very attractive to people to grab onto over-simple solutions that end up causing more horror. Whether it is "let's go out and kill all of the criminals" or "let's jam airborne guidance so that missiles can't kill people". Don't succumb to the urge.
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 3:50 PM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
i apologize for my concern about commercial airliners being shot down by state sponsored terrorists with computers missiles bombs radio waves etc. they do not seem to need no stinkin license wow can anything be done or are the few tyrants in the world able to mind control 7.5Billion fools? or should we just cancel the whole freedom of speech thingy it really isnt working out if anybody is paranoid over a ham radio satellite, they probably should not be in charge of a military or country or even ordering lunch which hopefully is not stuck in a shipping container somewhere near a broken oil pipeline from the backed up ships anchor damage 73 KFoG cm88pk
From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 2:37 PM To: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Cc: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net; amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: thanksgiving request
Besides not being legal, the moment that nations perceive amateur radio as an adversary, that is the end of amateur radio within their borders.
DXpeditions already have lots of problems with that, operators have been jailed, and even more often suddenly have permission to operate withdrawn, and of course there are the countries that we can't get that from it all. That we have satellites at all is seen by many as a threat. Now try to go to their country and operate satellites.
Most hams don't think very much about what we should be doing to make ourselves desirable to nations and motivate them to continue our frequency allocations. Especially for the next generation of hams, for whom Emergency Services will not be a viable mission. My holiday wish is that more of you would put in the thought time.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:19 PM Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com wrote:
Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net wrote:
can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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as someone who has flown as PIC (pilot in command) in large transport category airplanes (B777/787) and now test them for a living...this strikes me as a solution in need of a problem.
aside from the reality that no ham radio satellite is, from space, going to jam SAM guidance systems either full or part time world wide, and the reality that it now makes amateur radio sats something that they are not (ie combatants), the need for this is next to zero. In my professional lifetime, which now is 35 (sigh) years...I recall four commercial planes, shot down by military weapons. One by the US, two by either the Soviet Union/Russia or forces allied with them, and one engaged by the Iranians when it wondered into a pretty sensitive military air defense zone.
(who knows what happened to MAL 370).
but this clearly is not a rampant problem...nor one amateur radio is going to deal with
Greetings from Seattle Robert WB5MZO/7 ________________________________ From: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 5:50 PM To: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com; Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Cc: amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [AMSAT-BB] Re: thanksgiving request
i apologize for my concern about commercial airliners being shot down by state sponsored terrorists with computers missiles bombs radio waves etc. they do not seem to need no stinkin license wow can anything be done or are the few tyrants in the world able to mind control 7.5Billion fools? or should we just cancel the whole freedom of speech thingy it really isnt working out if anybody is paranoid over a ham radio satellite, they probably should not be in charge of a military or country or even ordering lunch which hopefully is not stuck in a shipping container somewhere near a broken oil pipeline from the backed up ships anchor damage 73 KFoG cm88pk
________________________________ From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 2:37 PM To: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com Cc: Robert Coppock robertinorbit@webtv.net; amsat bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [AMSAT-BB] Re: thanksgiving request
Besides not being legal, the moment that nations perceive amateur radio as an adversary, that is the end of amateur radio within their borders.
DXpeditions already have lots of problems with that, operators have been jailed, and even more often suddenly have permission to operate withdrawn, and of course there are the countries that we can't get that from it all. That we have satellites at all is seen by many as a threat. Now try to go to their country and operate satellites.
Most hams don't think very much about what we should be doing to make ourselves desirable to nations and motivate them to continue our frequency allocations. Especially for the next generation of hams, for whom Emergency Services will not be a viable mission. My holiday wish is that more of you would put in the thought time.
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 4:19 PM Robert McGwier <rwmcgwier@gmail.commailto:rwmcgwier@gmail.com> wrote: Transmitting such a signal is a violation of law in the US. If it interferes with a plane's operation, and becomes a safety of life issue, the operator will be assumed to be a terrorist and all hell will break loose.
This is a truly BAD idea.
On Wed, Nov 24, 2021, 10:45 AM Robert Coppock <robertinorbit@webtv.netmailto:robertinorbit@webtv.net> wrote: can we build a jammer satellite ? to jam radar and missile guidance systems so that no more military "mistakes' can shoot down a commercial airliner like MH-17 in 2014 ? things are getting kind of weird at the border again over there
i and the innocent souls THANK you it was 283 passengers and 15 crew in 2014
The case will be tried in absentia as none of the suspects will appear at the Dutch court. Russia does not extradite its own citizens.
It said the crash was caused by the detonation of a Russian-made 9N314M-type warhead carried on the 9M38M1 missile, launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system.
KFoG planning for the worst, hoping for the best 73
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