http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Peter like me expects better
----------------------------- Sent from my iPhone Andrew Rich e vk4tec@tech-software.net w www.tech-software.net m 0419 738 223
On 25 Sep 2016, at 04:57, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay spatrickfay@gmail.com wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel mccardelm@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay spatrickfay@gmail.com wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Sorry I can’t help you
Your own website states I must be a US citizen to Volunteer
That must mean they don’t trust non yanks
Andrew
------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Rich vk4tec@tech-software.net wrote:
By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel mccardelm@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay spatrickfay@gmail.com wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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Working on the website would not be subject to such restrictions.
As stated on the website:
If you have hardware or software technical skills, and proven experience directly applicable to satellite design, please contact the AMSAT Vice President of Engineering http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1121(N0JY). Due to the American International Traffic in Arms Regulations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations (ITAR) you must be either a US Citizen or a permanent resident (ITAR Qualifications http://www.amsat.org/www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p120.htm). *This is not our reflection on foreign citizens, but is required by existing US law. Recent changes suggest that this restriction may soon be lifted or at least modified. If and when this happens, we will be delighted to be able to again work freely with our foreign colleagues.*
This is only for working directly on our satellite projects and is due to US federal law. It is certainly not a reflection of our feelings towards non-Americans. We would love for anyone worldwide to be able to work on any AMSAT project without restriction.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Andrew Rich vk4tec@tech-software.net wrote:
Sorry I can’t help you
Your own website states I must be a US citizen to Volunteer
That must mean they don’t trust non yanks
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Rich vk4tec@tech-software.net
wrote:
By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel mccardelm@gmail.com
wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you
are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay spatrickfay@gmail.com wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of
active
amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should
look
at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I
went to
the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until
(insert
date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and
never
look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is
the
organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their
website
up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of
an
upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey
mouse. I
am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com
wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it
happens
slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK -
no
one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the
store,
you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the
past,
off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum
available
to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views of
AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/
listinfo/amsat-bb
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of
AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views
of AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
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Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of
AMSAT-NA.
Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
program!
Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Failure number 1
Not being able to reference the material that backs up the statement
Andrew
------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:25 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Working on the website would not be subject to such restrictions.
As stated on the website:
If you have hardware or software technical skills, and proven experience directly applicable to satellite design, please contact the AMSAT Vice President of Engineering http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1121(N0JY). Due to the American International Traffic in Arms Regulations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations (ITAR) you must be either a US Citizen or a permanent resident (ITAR Qualifications http://www.amsat.org/www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p120.htm). This is not our reflection on foreign citizens, but is required by existing US law. Recent changes suggest that this restriction may soon be lifted or at least modified. If and when this happens, we will be delighted to be able to again work freely with our foreign colleagues.
This is only for working directly on our satellite projects and is due to US federal law. It is certainly not a reflection of our feelings towards non-Americans. We would love for anyone worldwide to be able to work on any AMSAT project without restriction.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote: Sorry I can’t help you
Your own website states I must be a US citizen to Volunteer
That must mean they don’t trust non yanks
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote:
By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@gmail.com mailto:mccardelm@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay <spatrickfay@gmail.com mailto:spatrickfay@gmail.com> wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@gmail.com mailto:kb1pvh@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" <plaws0@gmail.com mailto:plaws0@gmail.com> wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:25 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Working on the website would not be subject to such restrictions.
As stated on the website:
If you have hardware or software technical skills, and proven experience directly applicable to satellite design, please contact the AMSAT Vice President of Engineering http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1121(N0JY). Due to the American International Traffic in Arms Regulations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations (ITAR) you must be either a US Citizen or a permanent resident (ITAR Qualifications http://www.amsat.org/www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p120.htm). This is not our reflection on foreign citizens, but is required by existing US law. Recent changes suggest that this restriction may soon be lifted or at least modified. If and when this happens, we will be delighted to be able to again work freely with our foreign colleagues.
This is only for working directly on our satellite projects and is due to US federal law. It is certainly not a reflection of our feelings towards non-Americans. We would love for anyone worldwide to be able to work on any AMSAT project without restriction.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote: Sorry I can’t help you
Your own website states I must be a US citizen to Volunteer
That must mean they don’t trust non yanks
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote:
By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@gmail.com mailto:mccardelm@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay <spatrickfay@gmail.com mailto:spatrickfay@gmail.com> wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@gmail.com mailto:kb1pvh@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" <plaws0@gmail.com mailto:plaws0@gmail.com> wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
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Andrew.... Thanks for volunteering. Bob K8BL (ex-VK4BTL)
From: Andrew Rich vk4tec@tech-software.net To: Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net Cc: AMSAT -BB amsat-bb@amsat.org; E.Mike McCardel mccardelm@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Seriously - can this be updated?
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------------------------------------------ Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:25 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Working on the website would not be subject to such restrictions.
As stated on the website:
If you have hardware or software technical skills, and proven experience directly applicable to satellite design, please contact the AMSAT Vice President of Engineering http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1121(N0JY). Due to the American International Traffic in Arms Regulations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations (ITAR) you must be either a US Citizen or a permanent resident (ITAR Qualifications http://www.amsat.org/www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p120.htm). This is not our reflection on foreign citizens, but is required by existing US law. Recent changes suggest that this restriction may soon be lifted or at least modified. If and when this happens, we will be delighted to be able to again work freely with our foreign colleagues.
This is only for working directly on our satellite projects and is due to US federal law. It is certainly not a reflection of our feelings towards non-Americans. We would love for anyone worldwide to be able to work on any AMSAT project without restriction.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote: Sorry I can’t help you
Your own website states I must be a US citizen to Volunteer
That must mean they don’t trust non yanks
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote:
By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
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On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@gmail.com mailto:mccardelm@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay <spatrickfay@gmail.com mailto:spatrickfay@gmail.com> wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@gmail.com mailto:kb1pvh@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" <plaws0@gmail.com mailto:plaws0@gmail.com> wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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_______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
No worries Bob
I can remember working MIR on a commodore c64 and a hand held
Satellites hold a special place in my heart for some reason
A
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On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:58, R.T.Liddy k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Andrew.... Thanks for volunteering. Bob K8BL (ex-VK4BTL)
From: Andrew Rich vk4tec@tech-software.net To: Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net Cc: AMSAT -BB amsat-bb@amsat.org; E.Mike McCardel mccardelm@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Seriously - can this be updated?
BTW
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Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net m vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:25 PM, Paul Stoetzer n8hm@arrl.net wrote:
Working on the website would not be subject to such restrictions.
As stated on the website:
If you have hardware or software technical skills, and proven experience directly applicable to satellite design, please contact the AMSAT Vice President of Engineering http://ww2.amsat.org/?page_id=1121(N0JY). Due to the American International Traffic in Arms Regulations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations (ITAR) you must be either a US Citizen or a permanent resident (ITAR Qualifications http://www.amsat.org/www.fas.org/spp/starwars/offdocs/itar/p120.htm). This is not our reflection on foreign citizens, but is required by existing US law. Recent changes suggest that this restriction may soon be lifted or at least modified. If and when this happens, we will be delighted to be able to again work freely with our foreign colleagues.
This is only for working directly on our satellite projects and is due to US federal law. It is certainly not a reflection of our feelings towards non-Americans. We would love for anyone worldwide to be able to work on any AMSAT project without restriction.
73,
Paul, N8HM
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote: Sorry I can’t help you
Your own website states I must be a US citizen to Volunteer
That must mean they don’t trust non yanks
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 12:15 PM, Andrew Rich <vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net> wrote:
By the way
My name is Andrew
It would be a good start to get that right
Andrew
Andrew Rich VK4TEC w www.tech-software.net http://www.tech-software.net/ m vk4tec@tech-software.net mailto:vk4tec@tech-software.net
On 25 Sep 2016, at 11:20 AM, E.Mike McCardel <mccardelm@gmail.com mailto:mccardelm@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, Rich has stepped up and offered to help. Anyone else? Not an IT guy/gal volunteer to do something else. Believe me, it even takes time to respond to offers of help when you are buried in your work. So I little patience please.
EMike
EMike McCardel, AA8EM Rotating Editor AMSAT News Service Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:38 PM, sean fay <spatrickfay@gmail.com mailto:spatrickfay@gmail.com> wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH <kb1pvh@gmail.com mailto:kb1pvh@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
> On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" <plaws0@gmail.com mailto:plaws0@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ http://store.amsat.org/catalog/ > > I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling > the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens > slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no > one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, > you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!). > > But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, > off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or > something. > > > -- > Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! > _______________________________________________ > Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available > to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions > expressed > are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of > AMSAT-NA. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Most definitely I see perfection in the satellites only to be let down by a website
Sell yourselves
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On 25 Sep 2016, at 10:38, sean fay spatrickfay@gmail.com wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
Sent from my Galaxy S7
On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
-- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions
expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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It would be nice if outdated pages are marked as such. This has been voiced before.
However, I do not have the time to offer to fix such things so I hold my tongue. I prefer only to criticize if I have a suggestion and the ability to make such things better.
If the state of the website offends you so, why not ask how you can help to make it better?
On 09/25/2016 04:07 AM, Andrew Rich wrote:
Most definitely I see perfection in the satellites only to be let down by a website
Sell yourselves
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On 25 Sep 2016, at 10:38, sean fay spatrickfay@gmail.com wrote:
As an former outsider looking in. If I am looking to join a group of active amateurs involved with satellite work and someone said "hey you should look at AMSAT, they are the ones who put those things up in space" and I went to the website and I saw a very out of date "store is inactive until (insert date that is way past due)" i would assume that AMSAT is defunct and never look back. At best I would not believe the person that told me this is the organization that puts stuff in space if they can't even keep their website up to date. It is this kind of thing that discourages new members. There is also zero reason members should be attacking other members for bringing this up.
I how ever would not be discouraged if i saw "we are in the process of an upgrade. please call Martha for assistance" with no date. I would just call Martha. Having an out of date date looks super mickey mouse. I am with Peter and Andrew on this
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Dave Webb KB1PVH kb1pvh@gmail.com wrote:
Peter,
Stop looking at the page if it bothers you that much. What's with the constant nit-picking about EVERYTHING?
Dave-KB1PVH
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On Sep 24, 2016 2:13 PM, "Peter Laws" plaws0@gmail.com wrote:
http://store.amsat.org/catalog/
I'm not trying to criticize the people doing the work on remodeling the store. Stuff happens and without a full-time IT staff, it happens slowly. I get it. It's fine. More time is needed and that's OK - no one is going to die and if you *really* need something from the store, you can call the office (where there is a full-time staff person!).
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
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On 9/24/2016 13:12, Peter Laws wrote:
But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
All,
I know it's been said many times before - we are all volunteers. Joe does IT. Since Joe is the only one who has volunteered to do that, it's up to when he can get it done. (Insert many times before mentioned plug for volunteer help here.) Normally things go pretty well but life takes precedence over hobby as I'm sure you all know. Joe is buried and will fix the store ASAP.
I am a stickler for detail and so I don't like to see things that aren't "right" when they could be, on the other hand it can't be because Joe is busy existing so we understand. On behalf of AMSAT I apologize for any grief but I ask you all to understand as well.
In the meantime the date really is kind of irrelevant, while I agree it would be nice for it to say something meaningful the fact that the store is closed remains the same. Kinda like going to a shop where the sign says "Will Return at 1PM" and it's 1:30 PM so what do you do? Wait, or come back later... cursing the sign won't get you inside. But wait! In this case you have an alternative, please just call Martha. Unless you were just planning on browsing, she can get you whatever you wanted from the store. She does it anyway, when you order online.
Thanks!
Jerry Buxton, NØJY
I aka computer programmer with heaps of time on my hands
What do u need done
I design websites in my sleep
Andrew
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On 25 Sep 2016, at 05:18, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
On 9/24/2016 13:12, Peter Laws wrote: But for goodness' sake, can we take the date, now >1 week in the past, off the placeholder page? Just put "closed for remodeling" or something.
All,
I know it's been said many times before - we are all volunteers. Joe does IT. Since Joe is the only one who has volunteered to do that, it's up to when he can get it done. (Insert many times before mentioned plug for volunteer help here.) Normally things go pretty well but life takes precedence over hobby as I'm sure you all know. Joe is buried and will fix the store ASAP.
I am a stickler for detail and so I don't like to see things that aren't "right" when they could be, on the other hand it can't be because Joe is busy existing so we understand. On behalf of AMSAT I apologize for any grief but I ask you all to understand as well.
In the meantime the date really is kind of irrelevant, while I agree it would be nice for it to say something meaningful the fact that the store is closed remains the same. Kinda like going to a shop where the sign says "Will Return at 1PM" and it's 1:30 PM so what do you do? Wait, or come back later... cursing the sign won't get you inside. But wait! In this case you have an alternative, please just call Martha. Unless you were just planning on browsing, she can get you whatever you wanted from the store. She does it anyway, when you order online.
Thanks!
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But for goodness' sake ...
Yeah, for goodness sake ... [DELETE] ... and, now back to online research on which RV I'll get for going to hamfests and national parks. Much more rewarding. Oh, where will the mobile ham station and laptop go? And, how about flamingo themed shower doors in the lavatory?
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