----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Rick Pinelli" ka2bsm@gmail.com To: "Damon" wa4hfn@comcast.net, "David" kd4noq@arrl.net, "Lee" LRACE@ci.collierville.tn.us, "Rick" wa4nvm@comcast.net, randyw4412@aol.com, "chris dowland" chris@aleadingedge.com, "Danny Banks" dbanksd@bellsouth.net, "Richard Martin" kj4dxf@att.net, n4gmt@comcast.net, wv5j@netscape.net, w5ema@arrl.net Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 10:27:33 AM Subject: 420 MHz in Jeopardy!
I received this info from one of the D-STAR groups about the 420 MHz band and thought I would pass it along.
Rick - KA2BSM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: 420 band auction imminent if HR 607 passes
I think we need to be aware of this issue, since our repeater system lives there.
This is being done "in order to offset the loss of revenue that would occur as the result of the allocation of the D-Block to Public Safety instead of commercial auction".
So they are giving away some spectrum that they said they would auction, and we get to pay the price for it.
This bill was introduced by the Horable Peter King, R-NY District #3.
Read more about Congresman King's spin on this plan here.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ny03_king/bipartlegsdblock.html
Note that there is NO MENTION of the 420-450 and 450-470 bands in his press release, and they are in a footnote in the bill (oh, by the way, we can make up the revenue shortfall by auctioning off these frequencies...) So these bands will be sacrificed to pay for the reallocation of the spectrum that was previously cleared by TV Broadcasters for acution in the name of "Homeland Security".
The 450 band contains Broadcasting Remote Pickup and Studio to Transmitter links along with other coordinated use. 420 to 450 is our 70cm amateur band.
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*Spectrum Management Bill Threatens Amateur Frequencies*
*On February 10, Representative Peter King (R-NY-3), Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, introduced HR 607, the **Broadband for First Responders Act of 2011**. The bill been referred to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which handles telecommunications legislation. *
*HR 607 addresses certain spectrum management issues, including the creation and maintenance of a nationwide Public Safety broadband network. As part of that network, the bill provides for the allocation of the so-called "D-Block" of spectrum in the 700 MHz range for Public Safety use.*
*The D-Block consists of two, 5 megahertz-wide segments of **spectrum (758-763 and 788-793 MHz) that became available when the FCC ended analog television broadcasts in June 2009 and reallocated the 698-806 MHz band for Public Safety and commercial broadband. It was anticipated that the D-Block would be auctioned for commercial use. *
*There are several bills in Congress providing for the allocation of the D-Block for Public Safety use, and HR 607 is one of those. But HR 607 uniquely provides for the reallocation of other spectrum for auction to commercial users, in order to offset the loss of revenue that would occur as the result of the allocation of the D-Block to Public Safety instead of commercial auction. *
*HR 607 lists the paired bands of 420-440 MHz and 450-470 MHz among the bands to be reallocated for commercial auction within 10 years of its passage. *
Read more here< http://www.arrl.org/news/spectrum-management-bill-threatens-amateur-frequenc... >
Auctioning off spectrum that includes the important 435-438 Satellite segment? Let alone that 430-440 is a ham band almost everywhere in the world.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, wa4hfn@comcast.net wrote:
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Rick Pinelli" ka2bsm@gmail.com To: "Damon" wa4hfn@comcast.net, "David" kd4noq@arrl.net, "Lee" LRACE@ci.collierville.tn.us, "Rick" wa4nvm@comcast.net, randyw4412@aol.com, "chris dowland" chris@aleadingedge.com, "Danny Banks" dbanksd@bellsouth.net, "Richard Martin" kj4dxf@att.net, n4gmt@comcast.net, wv5j@netscape.net, w5ema@arrl.net Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 10:27:33 AM Subject: 420 MHz in Jeopardy!
I received this info from one of the D-STAR groups about the 420 MHz band and thought I would pass it along.
Rick - KA2BSM
Subject: 420 band auction imminent if HR 607 passes
I think we need to be aware of this issue, since our repeater system lives there.
This is being done "in order to offset the loss of revenue that would occur as the result of the allocation of the D-Block to Public Safety instead of commercial auction".
So they are giving away some spectrum that they said they would auction, and we get to pay the price for it.
This bill was introduced by the Horable Peter King, R-NY District #3.
Read more about Congresman King's spin on this plan here.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ny03_king/bipartlegsdblock.html
Note that there is NO MENTION of the 420-450 and 450-470 bands in his press release, and they are in a footnote in the bill (oh, by the way, we can make up the revenue shortfall by auctioning off these frequencies...) So these bands will be sacrificed to pay for the reallocation of the spectrum that was previously cleared by TV Broadcasters for acution in the name of "Homeland Security".
The 450 band contains Broadcasting Remote Pickup and Studio to Transmitter links along with other coordinated use. 420 to 450 is our 70cm amateur band.
*Spectrum Management Bill Threatens Amateur Frequencies*
*On February 10, Representative Peter King (R-NY-3), Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, introduced HR 607, the **Broadband for First Responders Act of 2011**. The bill been referred to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which handles telecommunications legislation. *
*HR 607 addresses certain spectrum management issues, including the creation and maintenance of a nationwide Public Safety broadband network. As part of that network, the bill provides for the allocation of the so-called "D-Block" of spectrum in the 700 MHz range for Public Safety use.*
*The D-Block consists of two, 5 megahertz-wide segments of **spectrum (758-763 and 788-793 MHz) that became available when the FCC ended analog television broadcasts in June 2009 and reallocated the 698-806 MHz band for Public Safety and commercial broadband. It was anticipated that the D-Block would be auctioned for commercial use. *
*There are several bills in Congress providing for the allocation of the D-Block for Public Safety use, and HR 607 is one of those. But HR 607 uniquely provides for the reallocation of other spectrum for auction to commercial users, in order to offset the loss of revenue that would occur as the result of the allocation of the D-Block to Public Safety instead of commercial auction. *
*HR 607 lists the paired bands of 420-440 MHz and 450-470 MHz among the bands to be reallocated for commercial auction within 10 years of its passage. *
Read more here< http://www.arrl.org/news/spectrum-management-bill-threatens-amateur-frequenc... >
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Most of the world doesn't have 420-430 and the rest of the band is only secondary in Europe.
Guess you and your buddies need to start using the lower 10 megs if you don't want to loose it. Most of us survived happily with only the 430-440 bit.
On 21-Feb-11 23:22, Patrick Green wrote:
Auctioning off spectrum that includes the important 435-438 Satellite segment? Let alone that 430-440 is a ham band almost everywhere in the world.
I'm not sure how worried people are over 420 - 430 since there's parts of the US you can't operate in those 10 megs. Down there from what I understand, though I could be wrong, is amateur TV. The important thing is we don't lose the 430 - 440 segment because that's where a lot of activity, satellite links included, happens on 70cm. Taking away 450 - 470mhz would also essentially kill both the FRS and GMRS bands as well which, while not always hams, is regularly used by thousands of people.
~73, AC2RF Ron
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Nigel A. Gunn nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
Most of the world doesn't have 420-430 and the rest of the band is only secondary in Europe.
Guess you and your buddies need to start using the lower 10 megs if you don't want to loose it. Most of us survived happily with only the 430-440 bit.
On 21-Feb-11 23:22, Patrick Green wrote:
Auctioning off spectrum that includes the important 435-438 Satellite segment? Let alone that 430-440 is a ham band almost everywhere in the world.
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True, and in Europe, where thay only have a 10MHz wide band, ATV has gone to 23cM using FN, not AM. Makes old satellite TV receivers usable for the Rx side without modification other than a preamp.
I guess it would be a struggle getting all the US FM repeaters into 433-435 and 438-440 but most in this area are unused anyway.
On 21-Feb-11 23:52, Ron Overdrive wrote:
I'm not sure how worried people are over 420 - 430 since there's parts of the US you can't operate in those 10 megs. Down there from what I understand, though I could be wrong, is amateur TV. The important thing is we don't lose the 430 - 440 segment because that's where a lot of activity, satellite links included, happens on 70cm. Taking away 450 - 470mhz would also essentially kill both the FRS and GMRS bands as well which, while not always hams, is regularly used by thousands of people.
~73, AC2RF Ron
At 10:57 AM 2/22/2011, Nigel A. Gunn wrote:
True, and in Europe, where thay only have a 10MHz wide band, ATV has gone to 23cM using FN, not AM. Makes old satellite TV receivers usable for the Rx side without modification other than a preamp.
Australia has nominally 420-450 MHz, but 420 - 430 is unavailable in all of the major populated areas, so the band is effectively only 430-450 MHz for most of us these days.
I guess it would be a struggle getting all the US FM repeaters into 433-435 and 438-440 but most in this area are unused anyway.
That's where our repeaters sit here, with 440-450 being ATV and site-site links.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
Our presence there is secondary and the prime user has a much larger financial and national security commitment for keeping the band clear of others. I hope the US military takes the appropriate actions to protect the bands for their use and thereby ours.
John WA4WDL
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Patrick Green" pagreen@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 6:22 PM To: "Amsat BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fwd: 420 MHz in Jeopardy!
Auctioning off spectrum that includes the important 435-438 Satellite segment? Let alone that 430-440 is a ham band almost everywhere in the world.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
At 10:45 AM 2/22/2011, jmfranke wrote:
Our presence there is secondary and the prime user has a much larger financial and national security commitment for keeping the band clear of others. I hope the US military takes the appropriate actions to protect the bands for their use and thereby ours.
At times like this, the military are usually great bedfellows on the bands, because their interest is in keeping the band clear for their own use, and they have much more money and clout than we hams do.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
I wonder how that will work out with the Pave Paws (and other) radars along with other DOD useage in these bands, not to mention the cross border issues they are going to have with Canada.
I can't see the USAF / USN etc being to keen on large scale comerical useage of the 420 to 450 mhz band.
I doubt that DOD will be very happy if 440 to 450 mhz is the only portion of the 420 to 450 mhz band without large scale comercial use.
----- Original Message ---- From: Patrick Green pagreen@gmail.com To: Amsat BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 3:22:54 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Fwd: 420 MHz in Jeopardy!
Auctioning off spectrum that includes the important 435-438 Satellite segment? Let alone that 430-440 is a ham band almost everywhere in the world.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, wa4hfn@comcast.net wrote:
----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Rick Pinelli" ka2bsm@gmail.com To: "Damon" wa4hfn@comcast.net, "David" kd4noq@arrl.net, "Lee" LRACE@ci.collierville.tn.us, "Rick" wa4nvm@comcast.net, randyw4412@aol.com, "chris dowland" chris@aleadingedge.com, "Danny Banks" dbanksd@bellsouth.net, "Richard Martin" kj4dxf@att.net, n4gmt@comcast.net, wv5j@netscape.net, w5ema@arrl.net Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 10:27:33 AM Subject: 420 MHz in Jeopardy!
I received this info from one of the D-STAR groups about the 420 MHz band and thought I would pass it along.
Rick - KA2BSM
Subject: 420 band auction imminent if HR 607 passes
I think we need to be aware of this issue, since our repeater system lives there.
This is being done "in order to offset the loss of revenue that would occur as the result of the allocation of the D-Block to Public Safety instead of commercial auction".
So they are giving away some spectrum that they said they would auction, and we get to pay the price for it.
This bill was introduced by the Horable Peter King, R-NY District #3.
Read more about Congresman King's spin on this plan here.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ny03_king/bipartlegsdblock.html
Note that there is NO MENTION of the 420-450 and 450-470 bands in his press release, and they are in a footnote in the bill (oh, by the way, we can make up the revenue shortfall by auctioning off these frequencies...) So these bands will be sacrificed to pay for the reallocation of the spectrum that was previously cleared by TV Broadcasters for acution in the name of "Homeland Security".
The 450 band contains Broadcasting Remote Pickup and Studio to Transmitter links along with other coordinated use. 420 to 450 is our 70cm amateur band.
*Spectrum Management Bill Threatens Amateur Frequencies*
*On February 10, Representative Peter King (R-NY-3), Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, introduced HR 607, the **Broadband for First Responders Act of 2011**. The bill been referred to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which handles telecommunications legislation. *
*HR 607 addresses certain spectrum management issues, including the creation and maintenance of a nationwide Public Safety broadband network. As part of that network, the bill provides for the allocation of the so-called "D-Block" of spectrum in the 700 MHz range for Public Safety use.*
*The D-Block consists of two, 5 megahertz-wide segments of **spectrum (758-763 and 788-793 MHz) that became available when the FCC ended analog television broadcasts in June 2009 and reallocated the 698-806 MHz band for Public Safety and commercial broadband. It was anticipated that the D-Block would be auctioned for commercial use. *
*There are several bills in Congress providing for the allocation of the D-Block for Public Safety use, and HR 607 is one of those. But HR 607 uniquely provides for the reallocation of other spectrum for auction to commercial users, in order to offset the loss of revenue that would occur as the result of the allocation of the D-Block to Public Safety instead of commercial auction. *
*HR 607 lists the paired bands of 420-440 MHz and 450-470 MHz among the bands to be reallocated for commercial auction within 10 years of its passage. *
Read more here< http://www.arrl.org/news/spectrum-management-bill-threatens-amateur-frequenc...
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