How does this compare to the ion motor we had on AO-40? Also, is there an English translation anywhere? I get the general idea looking at the pictures, but the details escape me.

Thanks,

Greg KO6TH

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Francesco Grappi" [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] I: ionic propulsion motor Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:47:14 +0200

HI Luc,

Very interesting animation and explanation ... Thank you 73" Francesco IW4DVZ

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HI

Here is a link explaining the ionic motor propulsion system with a nice animation (in French) the SMART-1 first lunar European space probe will crash on the moon on September 3 at 0541 UTC.

Could be usable for our HEO fleet? It seems pretty simple at the first look.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/AFPanimation/SmartFR3008/

"-" The medium is the message...The content is the audience...;)

Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe

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Greg,

By 'ion motor' I take it you are referring to the Ammonia powered arcjet. I did not realise that the two were synonymous. The following items would indeed suggest that they are similar if not the same concept.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/SMART-1/SEMLB6XO4HD_0.html http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/arcjet.html

Historically, I have had a much different idea of ion drive which did not involve ejecting gas at high speed. If anyone has the time, I would appreciate being enlightened.

73 de

Félim M3HIM IO91ot Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg D." [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I: ionic propulsion motor

How does this compare to the ion motor we had on AO-40? Also, is there an English translation anywhere? I get the general idea looking at the pictures, but the details escape me.

Thanks,

Greg KO6TH

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Francesco Grappi" [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] I: ionic propulsion motor Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:47:14 +0200

HI Luc,

Very interesting animation and explanation ... Thank you 73" Francesco IW4DVZ

-----Messaggio originale----- Da: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]Per

conto

di Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Inviato: sabato 2 settembre 2006 9.27 A: [email protected] Oggetto: [amsat-bb] ionic propulsion motor

HI

Here is a link explaining the ionic motor propulsion system with a nice animation (in French) the SMART-1 first lunar European space probe will crash on the moon on

September

3 at 0541 UTC.

Could be usable for our HEO fleet? It seems pretty simple at the first

look.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/AFPanimation/SmartFR3008/

"-" The medium is the message...The content is the audience...;)

Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe

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Ah, perfect. This is what I was looking for, thanks. I was puzzled by the electron gun, and the other complexities. Now it makes more sense. But, one question... By the animation, it looks like the grill switches back and forth between positive and negative charge. So, the engine operates in a pulse mode? And, I guess the magnets have a beam-forming role? (ok, so that's two questions...)

Greg KO6TH

----Original Message Follows---- From: "jmfranke" [email protected] To: Félim Doyle M3HIM [email protected],"Greg D." [email protected],[email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: I: ionic propulsion motor Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:58:25 -0400

The arcjet and the ion drive are different.

The arcjet uses an electric arc to heat a gas/fluid/solid. The expanding gas/plasma then works like a conventional rocket motor. One of the valuable attributes is that the gas/fluid/solid need not be combustible, hence it is safer than a conventional rocket. Also, higher temperatures can be achieved, and hence larger expansion ratios can be obtained. The arcjet is normally easier to regulate than conventional chemical rockets.

The ion engine uses electrostatic force to drive or push against ions. The thrust is derived from the electrostatic force acting against a heavy ion. For a given accelerating voltage, thrust is proportional to the atomic mass of the propellant. There is also an accompanying electron gun that adds a small thrust, but is primarily added to neutralize the emitted ion cloud so the ions are not attracted back to the spacecraft which, without the counter current electron gun, would be developing a negative charge.

Hope this helps,

John WA4WDL

----- Original Message ----- From: "Félim Doyle M3HIM" [email protected] To: "Greg D." [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I: ionic propulsion motor

Greg,

By 'ion motor' I take it you are referring to the Ammonia powered arcjet. I did not realise that the two were synonymous. The following items would indeed suggest that they are similar if not the same concept.

http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/SMART-1/SEMLB6XO4HD_0.html http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/A/arcjet.html

Historically, I have had a much different idea of ion drive which did not involve ejecting gas at high speed. If anyone has the time, I would appreciate being enlightened.

73 de

Félim M3HIM IO91ot Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg D." [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:28 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: I: ionic propulsion motor

How does this compare to the ion motor we had on AO-40? Also, is there an English translation anywhere? I get the general idea looking at the pictures, but the details escape me.

Thanks,

Greg KO6TH

----Original Message Follows---- From: "Francesco Grappi" [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] I: ionic propulsion motor Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 10:47:14 +0200

HI Luc,

Very interesting animation and explanation ... Thank you 73" Francesco IW4DVZ

-----Messaggio originale----- Da: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]Per

conto

di Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Inviato: sabato 2 settembre 2006 9.27 A: [email protected] Oggetto: [amsat-bb] ionic propulsion motor

HI

Here is a link explaining the ionic motor propulsion system with a nice animation (in French) the SMART-1 first lunar European space probe will crash on the moon on

September

3 at 0541 UTC.

Could be usable for our HEO fleet? It seems pretty simple at the first

look.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/AFPanimation/SmartFR3008/

"-" The medium is the message...The content is the audience...;)

Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe

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