I am excited with all the late use of 1.2ghz and want to get involved. I have an FT-847, which doesn't have a 1.2ghz option. So what are others doing?
Here were my thoughts....
1) Add a 910 for 1.2ghz - expensive 2) Utilize my TS-2000 (currently HF) for 1.2ghz by adding UT-20 - not sure how hard the add-on is to do 3) Buy another radio (?????) for 1.2ghz use 4) Is there some way to use the FT-847?
If there is references out there to this, Google did not do me well, please send links and pointers.
Thanks and hopefully I'll be on 1.2ghz soon. I have an antenna and 50ft of inch and a quarter to the shack on the Sat rotator, but just never hooked it too anything.
Mike kb8zgl
After receiving lots of help--especially from Howard, G6LVB--I got the newly modified RHCP 10el cheap yagi up on the mast this morning.
Previously, using the original 10el linear antenna, I was unable to make a QSO on SO-50. I could hear stations but not well enough to work. Well, first try out of the gate on SO-50 this afternoon, I made several contacts 5x9. So it works better than I had hoped.
The really interesting part of this story is that I dont have any way to check this antenna or its matching stubs, etc. Just built them carefully, made the stubs carefully, and followed directions. I'm still working on acquiring some basic tools that will work at this frequency.
So, it is possible, with little or no extra equipment, to get the job done. This system is still running barefoot--no preamp--and no elevation control--but it works pretty well considering.
Thanks for all your help gentlemen.
Curt KU8L
Hmmmm, this BB is great....same questions I've been asking myself as of late....
73 de Tim, K4SHF
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Michael J. Wolthuis Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:01 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] How to do 1.2ghz when sat radio is FT-847
I am excited with all the late use of 1.2ghz and want to get involved. I have an FT-847, which doesn't have a 1.2ghz option. So what are others doing?
Here were my thoughts....
1) Add a 910 for 1.2ghz - expensive 2) Utilize my TS-2000 (currently HF) for 1.2ghz by adding UT-20 - not sure how hard the add-on is to do 3) Buy another radio (?????) for 1.2ghz use 4) Is there some way to use the FT-847?
If there is references out there to this, Google did not do me well, please send links and pointers.
Thanks and hopefully I'll be on 1.2ghz soon. I have an antenna and 50ft of inch and a quarter to the shack on the Sat rotator, but just never hooked it too anything.
Mike kb8zgl
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IC-703 + something from Kuhne Electronic?
Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Tapio" tim@timtapio.com
Hmmmm, this BB is great....same questions I've been asking myself as of late....
Hi Mike,
If there is references out there to this, Google did not do me well, please send links and pointers.
Many microwave links can be found at: http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/microwave.html
Depending upon your desire to build a transverter there is an article for a 144MHz-1.2GHz version at these links. http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/23cmxv.pdf http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/23cmxvtmplt.pdf Downeast Microwave also sells a transverter with 28 MHz IF.
Scroll down the microwave page for other commercial supplier links, etc.
http://www.wa1mba.org/ is another good place to get started. There is a link to join a microwave e-mail reflector list here too.
Hope this gets you started. -- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM k9jkm@amsat.org
Mike,
The TS-2000 is a very capable satellite rig, and the 1.2 gig module will get you on mode L. According to the sales sites, you need to have the module installed by a dealer or from the factory. So in one sense, the installation is easy. Let somebody else do it. ;) At about $500-600 plus installation, it is probably comparable in cost to a good external transverter and avoids all the quirks of interfacing and deciding which IF to use. Note that 10 watts out is really marginal, and you need an amplifier in the 50-100 watt range along with a good antenna to make satellite operating more than a chore.
The FT-847 works well with a transverter. I regularly operate AO-51 in the various modes using mode L as an uplink, and with a little recabling worked the ISS in mode LV about as well as could be done. There is a brief note in the July/August AMSAT Journal about using TX transverters with 2 meter IFs when you need to be able to RX on 2 meters.
One thing to consider whether you are talking about amplifiers or transverters, is that terrestrial communication centers around 1296 MHz, while space communication centers around 1269 MHz. Almost all equipment is designed for the higher and much more common frequency. The amps often need retuning for the lower frequency, and are less efficient. Likewise, transverters will require significantly different crystals to get the IF where you can use it.
Going with the TS-2000 and adding a brick amp is the easiest and cleanest way, but if you are a good scrounger, not necessarily the cheapest.
Alan WA4SCA
Mike,
I use an FT-847 on 2m converted to 1268 by a 15w transmitting converter that was made by DEMI (original cost $450). However it is no longer made by them. They tooled up before AO-40 failed and got stuck with inventory with no market. I suspect that they will not make another until an established Heo is orbiting on mode-L. Not enough market for them. http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/
It is my understanding that Kuhne Engineering in Germany is producing a 144/1268 Tx converter: http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/shop/146_Sendekonverter/article:140_MKU_UP...
It only outputs 1w so you would need a PA to follow it: http://www.kuhne-electronic.de/en/shop/142_Leistungsverstaerker/article:206_...
this would give you 30w.
You can order from Kuhne directly from Germany. They have a dealer in the US: ssbusa, but I do not recommend them either on cost or speed of delivery. You will pay shipping from Europe and have to transfer funds into Euros. Kuhne equipment is excellent quality but at a price. I did not find a price page so you may have to e-mai for info. Michael Kuhne is DB6NT, a well respected mw engineer and mw ham.
73, Ed - KL7UW 80m to 3cm
At 10:01 AM 1/3/2009, Michael J. Wolthuis wrote:
I am excited with all the late use of 1.2ghz and want to get involved. I have an FT-847, which doesn't have a 1.2ghz option. So what are others doing?
Here were my thoughts....
- Add a 910 for 1.2ghz - expensive
- Utilize my TS-2000 (currently HF) for 1.2ghz by adding UT-20 - not
sure how hard the add-on is to do 3) Buy another radio (?????) for 1.2ghz use 4) Is there some way to use the FT-847?
If there is references out there to this, Google did not do me well, please send links and pointers.
Thanks and hopefully I'll be on 1.2ghz soon. I have an antenna and 50ft of inch and a quarter to the shack on the Sat rotator, but just never hooked it too anything.
Mike kb8zgl
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If you like to build a transverter, Paul, W1GHZ, has designed a bunch of CHEAP to build units and has poted the information on his web pages at www.w1ghz.org.
Here's the direct link to the Multi band Microwave Transverter project that he gave a talk at Microwave Update about this past year: http://www.w1ghz.org/MBT/multiband.htm
I am currently building the 900Mhz version and still have to acquire the MMICs for it as I have found that I have misplaced the bag that I had from years ago.
BTW, I do have a extra DEMI board model number 1296-144 that I would be willing to part with if your interested. Just the PCB board. The cost of acquiring parts on my own cost me about 75 dollars ten years ago though and I don't know how 'unobtainiam' some of the parts used are now a days though. It could be used for 1260 Sat or 1296 Terrestrial depending on what crystal was installed.
James W8ISS =====
On Sat, 2009-01-03 at 14:01 -0500, Michael J. Wolthuis wrote:
I am excited with all the late use of 1.2ghz and want to get involved. I have an FT-847, which doesn't have a 1.2ghz option. So what are others doing?
Here were my thoughts....
- Add a 910 for 1.2ghz - expensive
- Utilize my TS-2000 (currently HF) for 1.2ghz by adding UT-20 - not
sure how hard the add-on is to do 3) Buy another radio (?????) for 1.2ghz use 4) Is there some way to use the FT-847?
If there is references out there to this, Google did not do me well, please send links and pointers.
Thanks and hopefully I'll be on 1.2ghz soon. I have an antenna and 50ft of inch and a quarter to the shack on the Sat rotator, but just never hooked it too anything.
Mike kb8zgl
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participants (8)
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Alan P. Biddle
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Curt Nixon
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Edward Cole
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James French
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JoAnne Maenpaa
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Michael J. Wolthuis
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Simon (HB9DRV)
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Tim Tapio