Re: Probably a silly idea...
AS I understand there are four antennas on the ISS available for ham use. So why does a package have to go outside? It can be installed inside, use ISS power, be turned on/off by astronauts at will or even unplugged? No batteries, no rocket propulsion, dangerous chemicals, no space-rated enclosure, no EVA.
Last time I propose this I was told to shut my mouth and go away.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 08:02 AM 1/18/2012, Trevor . wrote:
PCSAT-2 did exactly that on the ISS in July 2005, however, it was returned to Earth Sep 2006.
It requires an expensive EVA to install and there may be frequency coordination issues with the two amateur radio stations already on the ISS.
I wonder what the capabilities of the Kibo Robot Arm are ? I believe it can attach payloads to the exterior Exposed Facility (EF) with the need for an EVA.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Wed, 18/1/12, Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu wrote:
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu Subject: [amsat-bb] Probably a silly idea... To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 16:06 Hi all,
This is probably a silly idea but who knows....
ARRISat-1 was a wonderfull satellite but with a short life. The ISS instead is a wonderfull platform, of course I know how difficult is to install inside it new radios and antennas for cross-repeaters, but how difficult is really to take a small box and firmly attach it to some low risk part of the ISS, the satellite-box will use its own power solar cells and antennas and the ISS is just the carrier.
It may be something silly but probably not difficult, if the astronauts made a "hand launch" with ARISSat-1/KEDR why can not them just hold it with latches in a low risk part of the ISS. Of course if a battery is a risk we can just design a simple system capable of work only in sun light.
If you think this is a bad idea, just ignore it, if not, well who knows, may be some day an astronaut attach an small satellite in the ISS side....
73, Raydel, CM2ESP Este mensaje ha sido enviado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece la Federacion de Radioaficionados de Cuba a sus miembros para respaldar el cumplimiento de los objetivos de la organizacion y su politica informativa. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@gmail.com Coming Soon - "Kits made by KL7UW" ======================================
My thinking is this package could be designed as the (needed) upgrade/replacement for the existing digi-peater/ham radio equipment used in the "school contact" program. The advantage is a long-term orbiting transponder with much easier maintenance access. As with most of the advanced satellites being put up one would have a fully functional spare. Since the environment would be much more friendly so the unit could be built modular for additional ease in maintenance.
To aid in the "selling to NASA", I propose the telemetry system be provided with data-ports for connection of school experiments in support of STEM. Thus Amsat would be providing comm support in those programs.
A local mic, power on/off and channel selector would enable astronaut use (both for ham and personal use).
So we hams would get part of what we want while providing support of what NASA wants. Get creative on what this could do.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 09:54 AM 1/18/2012, Edward R. Cole wrote:
AS I understand there are four antennas on the ISS available for ham use. So why does a package have to go outside? It can be installed inside, use ISS power, be turned on/off by astronauts at will or even unplugged? No batteries, no rocket propulsion, dangerous chemicals, no space-rated enclosure, no EVA.
Last time I propose this I was told to shut my mouth and go away.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 08:02 AM 1/18/2012, Trevor . wrote:
PCSAT-2 did exactly that on the ISS in July 2005, however, it was returned to Earth Sep 2006.
It requires an expensive EVA to install and there may be frequency coordination issues with the two amateur radio stations already on the ISS.
I wonder what the capabilities of the Kibo Robot Arm are ? I believe it can attach payloads to the exterior Exposed Facility (EF) with the need for an EVA.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Wed, 18/1/12, Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu wrote:
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu Subject: [amsat-bb] Probably a silly idea... To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 16:06 Hi all,
This is probably a silly idea but who knows....
ARRISat-1 was a wonderfull satellite but with a short life. The ISS instead is a wonderfull platform, of course I know how difficult is to install inside it new radios and antennas for cross-repeaters, but how difficult is really to take a small box and firmly attach it to some low risk part of the ISS, the satellite-box will use its own power solar cells and antennas and the ISS is just the carrier.
It may be something silly but probably not difficult, if the astronauts made a "hand launch" with ARISSat-1/KEDR why can not them just hold it with latches in a low risk part of the ISS. Of course if a battery is a risk we can just design a simple system capable of work only in sun light.
If you think this is a bad idea, just ignore it, if not, well who knows, may be some day an astronaut attach an small satellite in the ISS side....
73, Raydel, CM2ESP Este mensaje ha sido enviado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece la Federacion de Radioaficionados de Cuba a sus miembros para respaldar el cumplimiento de los objetivos de la organizacion y su politica informativa. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@gmail.com Coming Soon - "Kits made by KL7UW" ====================================== _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@gmail.com Coming Soon - "Kits made by KL7UW" ======================================
I totally agree with you Ed.
----- Mensaje original ----- De: Edward R. Cole kl7uw@acsalaska.net Para: amsat-bb@amsat.org Enviado: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:43:43 +0100 (CET) Asunto: [amsat-bb] Re: Probably a silly idea...
My thinking is this package could be designed as the (needed) upgrade/replacement for the existing digi-peater/ham radio equipment used in the "school contact" program. The advantage is a long-term orbiting transponder with much easier maintenance access. As with most of the advanced satellites being put up one would have a fully functional spare. Since the environment would be much more friendly so the unit could be built modular for additional ease in maintenance.
To aid in the "selling to NASA", I propose the telemetry system be provided with data-ports for connection of school experiments in support of STEM. Thus Amsat would be providing comm support in those programs.
A local mic, power on/off and channel selector would enable astronaut use (both for ham and personal use).
So we hams would get part of what we want while providing support of what NASA wants. Get creative on what this could do.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 09:54 AM 1/18/2012, Edward R. Cole wrote:
AS I understand there are four antennas on the ISS available for ham use. So why does a package have to go outside? It can be installed inside, use ISS power, be turned on/off by astronauts at will or even unplugged? No batteries, no rocket propulsion, dangerous chemicals, no space-rated enclosure, no EVA.
Last time I propose this I was told to shut my mouth and go away.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 08:02 AM 1/18/2012, Trevor . wrote:
PCSAT-2 did exactly that on the ISS in July 2005, however, it was returned to Earth Sep 2006.
It requires an expensive EVA to install and there may be frequency coordination issues with the two amateur radio stations already on the ISS.
I wonder what the capabilities of the Kibo Robot Arm are ? I believe it can attach payloads to the exterior Exposed Facility (EF) with the need for an EVA.
73 Trevor M5AKA
--- On Wed, 18/1/12, Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu wrote:
From: Raidel Abreu Espinet cl2esp@frcuba.co.cu Subject: [amsat-bb] Probably a silly idea... To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Wednesday, 18 January, 2012, 16:06 Hi all,
This is probably a silly idea but who knows....
ARRISat-1 was a wonderfull satellite but with a short life. The ISS instead is a wonderfull platform, of course I know how difficult is to install inside it new radios and antennas for cross-repeaters, but how difficult is really to take a small box and firmly attach it to some low risk part of the ISS, the satellite-box will use its own power solar cells and antennas and the ISS is just the carrier.
It may be something silly but probably not difficult, if the astronauts made a "hand launch" with ARISSat-1/KEDR why can not them just hold it with latches in a low risk part of the ISS. Of course if a battery is a risk we can just design a simple system capable of work only in sun light.
If you think this is a bad idea, just ignore it, if not, well who knows, may be some day an astronaut attach an small satellite in the ISS side....
73, Raydel, CM2ESP Este mensaje ha sido enviado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece la Federacion de Radioaficionados de Cuba a sus miembros para respaldar el cumplimiento de los objetivos de la organizacion y su politica informativa. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas. _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45
BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@gmail.com Coming Soon - "Kits made by KL7UW" ====================================== _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 ====================================== BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-QRT, 1296-?, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubususa@gmail.com Coming Soon - "Kits made by KL7UW" ====================================== _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Este mensaje ha sido enviado mediante el servicio de correo electronico que ofrece la Federacion de Radioaficionados de Cuba a sus miembros para respaldar el cumplimiento de los objetivos de la organizacion y su politica informativa. La persona que envia este correo asume el compromiso de usar el servicio a tales fines y cumplir con las regulaciones establecidas.
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