If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state of the US, but particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ...
And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven police units respond to my traffic stop today ... (grin)
http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
Well, they didn't see you as that big a threat, otherwise they would have *surrounded* you.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state of the US, but particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ...
And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven police units respond to my traffic stop today ... (grin)
http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Just imagine if they had pulled John K8YSE over with that array in the bed of his truck!!!
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Patrick Green pagreen@gmail.com wrote:
Well, they didn't see you as that big a threat, otherwise they would have *surrounded* you.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state
of the US, but
particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ...
And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven
police units respond
to my traffic stop today ... (grin)
http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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Seven squad cars? He must have made more than one contact on an FM bird at Field Day. ;)
Darryl K0GV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Widner" jeremyrwidner@gmail.com To: "Patrick Green" pagreen@gmail.com Cc: "Amsat BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
Just imagine if they had pulled John K8YSE over with that array in the bed of his truck!!!
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Patrick Green pagreen@gmail.com wrote:
Well, they didn't see you as that big a threat, otherwise they would have *surrounded* you.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state
of the US, but
particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ...
And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven
police units respond
to my traffic stop today ... (grin)
http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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My town does NOT have 7 squad cars... Dee, NB2F
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Darryl Ponder Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:42 AM To: Jeremy Widner; Patrick Green Cc: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
Seven squad cars? He must have made more than one contact on an FM bird at Field Day. ;)
Darryl K0GV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Widner" jeremyrwidner@gmail.com To: "Patrick Green" pagreen@gmail.com Cc: "Amsat BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
Just imagine if they had pulled John K8YSE over with that array in the bed of his truck!!!
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Patrick Green pagreen@gmail.com wrote:
Well, they didn't see you as that big a threat, otherwise they would have *surrounded* you.
73 de Pat --- KA9SCF.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
If you are a ham with personalized license plates (probably in ANY state
of the US, but
particularly in CA), then you might want to check this Web page out ...
And if you just find me otherwise irritating, you'll love to see seven
police units respond
to my traffic stop today ... (grin)
http://tinyurl.com/CLINT-BUSTED
Clint Bradford, K6LCS
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In Washington state, this can not happen. See their DOL personalized plate section. Anything like K6LCS "K6 LCS" are reserved for ham operator plates and will not be issued for personalized. Other states, including Montana, should adopt WA DOL's method of filtering ham call signs. In Montana, we have seen personalized plates containing combinations of letters looking exactly like ham calls--to non-hams.
Larry W7IN, Plains MT
In Texas we have "Radio Plates". I heard that you can have the same call sign on multiple vehicles, so I imagine you could have the same sort of problem if at first glance the vehicle didn't match. Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Gerhardstein" gerhardstein@montana.com To: "Clint Bradford" clintbradford@mac.com Cc: "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
In Washington state, this can not happen. See their DOL personalized plate section. Anything like K6LCS "K6 LCS" are reserved for ham operator plates and will not be issued for personalized. Other states, including Montana, should adopt WA DOL's method of filtering ham call signs. In Montana, we have seen personalized plates containing combinations of letters looking exactly like ham calls--to non-hams.
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Why do you think that this is such a big deal?Sounds similar to the old timers complaining about the granting of voice privileges for novices back in the 80's.Get a life!
-----Original Message----- From: H. Vordenbaum Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:37 AM To: gerhardstein@montana.com ; Clint Bradford Cc: AMSAT BB Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
In Texas we have "Radio Plates". I heard that you can have the same call sign on multiple vehicles, so I imagine you could have the same sort of problem if at first glance the vehicle didn't match. Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Gerhardstein" gerhardstein@montana.com To: "Clint Bradford" clintbradford@mac.com Cc: "AMSAT BB" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
In Washington state, this can not happen. See their DOL personalized plate section. Anything like K6LCS "K6 LCS" are reserved for ham operator plates and will not be issued for personalized. Other states, including Montana, should adopt WA DOL's method of filtering ham call signs. In Montana, we have seen personalized plates containing combinations of letters looking exactly like ham calls--to non-hams.
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George and Cheryl,
So who is complaining? You? Harvey and I signed using our call signs. I've never complained about hams getting more privileges, voice, WARC bands, digital modes, LF, etc. Leaves more energy to be concerned about hams possibly loosing privileges.
73, Larry W7IN (57 years a ham op.)
On 6/29/2011 7:04 AM, George and Cheryl Abbott wrote:
Why do you think that this is such a big deal?Sounds similar to the old timers complaining about the granting of voice privileges for novices back in the 80's.Get a life!
-----Original Message----- From: H. Vordenbaum
Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
Larry W7IN, Plains MT
If you make too big of an issue out of this motor vehicle divisions around the country may begin to treat radio operator pates as vanity plates and charge accordingly.I would care about being charged an additional fee by the DVR!
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Gerhardstein Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:02 PM To: George and Cheryl Abbott Cc: H. Vordenbaum ; Clint Bradford ; AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
George and Cheryl,
So who is complaining? You? Harvey and I signed using our call signs. I've never complained about hams getting more privileges, voice, WARC bands, digital modes, LF, etc. Leaves more energy to be concerned about hams possibly loosing privileges.
73, Larry W7IN (57 years a ham op.)
On 6/29/2011 7:04 AM, George and Cheryl Abbott wrote:
Why do you think that this is such a big deal?Sounds similar to the old timers complaining about the granting of voice privileges for novices back in the 80's.Get a life!
-----Original Message----- From: H. Vordenbaum
Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
Larry W7IN, Plains MT
This is already the case in Florida. The Amateur tag is listed as a vanity plate and you are charged accordingly. This state has hundreds of vanity plates.
Reid, W4UPD
On 6/29/2011 1:44 PM, George and Cheryl Abbott wrote:
If you make too big of an issue out of this motor vehicle divisions around the country may begin to treat radio operator pates as vanity plates and charge accordingly.I would care about being charged an additional fee by the DVR!
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Gerhardstein Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:02 PM To: George and Cheryl Abbott Cc: H. Vordenbaum ; Clint Bradford ; AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
George and Cheryl,
So who is complaining? You? Harvey and I signed using our call signs. I've never complained about hams getting more privileges, voice, WARC bands, digital modes, LF, etc. Leaves more energy to be concerned about hams possibly loosing privileges.
73, Larry W7IN (57 years a ham op.)
On 6/29/2011 7:04 AM, George and Cheryl Abbott wrote:
Why do you think that this is such a big deal?Sounds similar to the old timers complaining about the granting of voice privileges for novices back in the 80's.Get a life!
-----Original Message----- From: H. Vordenbaum
Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
Larry W7IN, Plains MT
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And Massachusetts
QUOTE -----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of w4upd Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:57 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
This is already the case in Florida. The Amateur tag is listed as a vanity plate and you are charged accordingly. This state has hundreds of vanity plates.
Reid, W4UPD
UNQUOTE
Bob, K1REM
Louisiana as well, both in the upcharge ($25.00) and massive number of vanity plates! However, you can't get your call sign on a regular personalized plate.
Mike, N5UKZ
On 6/29/2011 1:14 PM, Bob Martinson wrote:
And Massachusetts
QUOTE -----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of w4upd Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:57 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
This is already the case in Florida. The Amateur tag is listed as a vanity plate and you are charged accordingly. This state has hundreds of vanity plates.
Reid, W4UPD
UNQUOTE
Bob, K1REM
If you have to apply for vanity to get ham letters on your plate, then they're not really ham call letter plates, are they, as they are in Montana and Washington. I stand on all of my prior posts on this matter.
73 es SK, Larry W7IN
...and Oregon (although they do not say 'ham radio', they are all a light orange color)
TK, K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gerhardstein Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:27 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
If you have to apply for vanity to get ham letters on your plate, then they're not really ham call letter plates, are they, as they are in Montana and Washington. I stand on all of my prior posts on this matter.
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In nevada the plates have amature radio and your call and they are free if you agree to help in emergencies Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: "Ted" k7trkradio@charter.net Sender: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 13:48:18 To: gerhardstein@montana.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
...and Oregon (although they do not say 'ham radio', they are all a light orange color)
TK, K7TRK
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Larry Gerhardstein Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:27 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
If you have to apply for vanity to get ham letters on your plate, then they're not really ham call letter plates, are they, as they are in Montana and Washington. I stand on all of my prior posts on this matter.
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Ours say right across the top of the plate AMATEUR RADIO, and they do charge extra for them.
ANY plate that is special order and not handed out off the top of the pile next in line costs extra.
Be it a vanity plate and antiques plate a collector plate a veterans plate a disabled plate get the drift?
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On 6/29/2011 3:26 PM, Larry Gerhardstein wrote:
If you have to apply for vanity to get ham letters on your plate, then they're not really ham call letter plates, are they, as they are in Montana and Washington. I stand on all of my prior posts on this matter.
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At 03:57 AM 6/30/2011, w4upd wrote:
This is already the case in Florida. The Amateur tag is listed as a vanity plate and you are charged accordingly. This state has hundreds of vanity plates.
It's the same down here, amateur plates are a special category of vanity plates, and attract a vanity fee.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com
In Montana the ham plates are free plus a small administrative fee. In 1955, there was a ham in the state legislature that got the bill entered and passed. He wrote the "free" clause into his bill, and except for an administrative fee added later, it has stuck. Montana was one of the first few states to get "ham plates." They're still manufactured at the state prison in Dillon MT.
Larry W7IN
Same here in Arizona, but I don't mind paying the little extra fee. I'm proud of my amateur status. Of course, some hams are just plain cheap! Jerry France K7LY Lake Havasu City, AZ
On 6/29/2011 2:49 PM, Tony Langdon wrote:
At 03:57 AM 6/30/2011, w4upd wrote:
This is already the case in Florida. The Amateur tag is listed as a vanity plate and you are charged accordingly. This state has hundreds of vanity plates.
It's the same down here, amateur plates are a special category of vanity plates, and attract a vanity fee.
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... If you make too big of an issue out of this motor vehicle divisions around the country
may begin to treat radio operator pates as vanity plates and charge accordingly ...
Originally this was almost a joke to me. But then I remember that my wife (who was in the car with me) asked me - quite seriously - "Is it OK for me to reach into my purse ... " while the original officer was back in her unit on her the radio ...
And from one with experience for decades in law enforcement:
It's kind of amazing that it generally works as smoothly as it does. But that doesn't for one second diminish K6LCS's potentially life-threatening experience yesterday. His saving graces were most likely his own super-careful and cooperative actions in the moment, as well as the officers' safe handling of what, unknown to them *at the time*, could have been anything from a serious crime to, as it seemingly turned out, some sort of either system, typo, or other GIGO problem somewhere in the long, complex chain between Clint Bradford's license plate application form and the Riverside PD's dispatcher's screen.
Yes, if I was belligerent or otherwise not 100% cooperative, weapons would have possibly been drawn. This could have been very weird, indeed.
SO - If you are going to blame me for "making a big issue" as I attempt to clean up the mess that California has created with plates not conforming to CLETS and NCIC standards and, as a result, you pay a little more in another state for your plates, well, I couldn't really care. It is my intention to effect change so that no one else in California ever has to have what happened to me Monday occur to them.
I think that is a responsible campaign on my part. QST magazine has picked up on it, and will publish a piece on the situation. But I have to go - RPD is on the phone, returning my call ...
Clint Bradford, K6LCS 909-241-7666
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:13:35 -0700 Clint Bradford clintbradford@mac.com wrote:
Originally this was almost a joke to me. But then I remember that my wife (who was in the car with me) asked me - quite seriously - "Is it OK for me to reach into my purse ... " while the original officer was back in her unit on her the radio ...
And from one with experience for decades in law enforcement:
It's kind of amazing that it generally works as smoothly as it does. But that doesn't for one second diminish K6LCS's potentially life-threatening experience yesterday.
Yes, if I was belligerent or otherwise not 100% cooperative, weapons would have possibly been drawn.
All this makes me really, really glad I live in a country where we don't have armed thugs on the streets. The things that struck me most about the US were the armed police everywhere, metal detectors on many of the public buildings and the blanket CCTV coverage everywhere. It must be horrible to live like that.
Gordon MM0YEQ
Gordon, if you chose to insult the USA, this forum is not appropriate. Also, your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
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All this makes me really, really glad I live in a country where we don't have armed thugs on the streets. The things that struck me most about the US were the armed police everywhere, metal detectors on many of the public buildings and the blanket CCTV coverage everywhere. It must be horrible to live like that.
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Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
And AMSAT is not the place to debate politics. His comments were a public insult. And THAT is my opinion. Maybe you two are too young to remember who saved Europe's ass 5 years ago
-----Original Message----- From: Nigel A. Gunn [mailto:nigel@ngunn.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: Ted Cc: 'Gordon JC Pearce'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Board & political opinion
Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
This thread needs to end. ADP violation emails have been issued.
73, Gould, WA4SXM AMSAT VP User Services
All of Europe would be speaking German if we had not won the war in 1945 and the only ground we ever kept was to bury our fallen soldiers in Europe .I AM ALL AMERICAN HOME GROWN AND CORN FED BASE BALL AND APPLE PIE GOD AND COUNTRY. WA4HFN Damon said that
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted" k7trkradio@charter.net To: "Nigel A. Gunn" nigel@ngunn.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org, "Gordon JC Pearce" gordonjcp@gjcp.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:41:53 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board & political opinion
And AMSAT is not the place to debate politics. His comments were a public insult. And THAT is my opinion. Maybe you two are too young to remember who saved Europe's ass 5 years ago
-----Original Message----- From: Nigel A. Gunn [mailto:nigel@ngunn.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: Ted Cc: 'Gordon JC Pearce'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Board & political opinion
Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
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Are you guys real? Is this a reality show? Someone has a rather interesting mishap with the police and from that such a thread develops? Geez folks you really need to get a life. I'm just returning to ham radio after 20 years of absence, that was not what I expected. The last few days this mailing list was just filled with comments that bar absolutely every reality. People whining that the astronauts on the ISS don't come to play with them. Well guess what, they have a real job. Amateur radio it is not. The next ones start to bitch about a country they don't live in which of course triggers new stuff.
I guess this is not my crowd and I better unsubscribe. There are better ways to waste bandwidth.
Reality check 1 - 2 - 3
73 Michael K5TRI
On 6/29/2011 6:50 PM, wa4hfn@comcast.net wrote:
All of Europe would be speaking German if we had not won the war in 1945 and the only ground we ever kept was to bury our fallen soldiers in Europe .I AM ALL AMERICAN HOME GROWN AND CORN FED BASE BALL AND APPLE PIE GOD AND COUNTRY. WA4HFN Damon said that
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And AMSAT is not the place to debate politics. His comments were a public insult. And THAT is my opinion. Maybe you two are too young to remember who saved Europe's ass 5 years ago
-----Original Message----- From: Nigel A. Gunn [mailto:nigel@ngunn.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: Ted Cc: 'Gordon JC Pearce'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Board& political opinion
Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
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Hi, WA4HFN
I agree with you and what you said is why I still speak italian in my country !
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: wa4hfn@comcast.net To: "Ted" k7trkradio@charter.net Cc: "AMSAT" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:50 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board & political opinion
All of Europe would be speaking German if we had not won the war in 1945
and the only ground we ever kept was to bury our fallen soldiers in Europe .I AM ALL AMERICAN HOME GROWN AND CORN FED BASE BALL AND APPLE PIE GOD AND COUNTRY. WA4HFN Damon said that
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted" k7trkradio@charter.net To: "Nigel A. Gunn" nigel@ngunn.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org, "Gordon JC Pearce" gordonjcp@gjcp.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:41:53 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board & political opinion
And AMSAT is not the place to debate politics. His comments were a public insult. And THAT is my opinion. Maybe you two are too young to remember
who
saved Europe's ass 5 years ago
-----Original Message----- From: Nigel A. Gunn [mailto:nigel@ngunn.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: Ted Cc: 'Gordon JC Pearce'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Board & political opinion
Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
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Atta boy Ted! K7LY
On 6/29/2011 2:41 PM, Ted wrote:
And AMSAT is not the place to debate politics. His comments were a public insult. And THAT is my opinion. Maybe you two are too young to remember who saved Europe's ass 5 years ago
-----Original Message----- From: Nigel A. Gunn [mailto:nigel@ngunn.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:26 PM To: Ted Cc: 'Gordon JC Pearce'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT Board& political opinion
Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
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Please take this somewhere else.
John WA4WDL
-------------------------------------------------- From: "Nigel A. Gunn" nigel@ngunn.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 5:25 PM To: "Ted" k7trkradio@charter.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; "'Gordon JC Pearce'" gordonjcp@gjcp.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT Board & political opinion
Ted. As, for decades, the US government has seen fit to force itself upon any country with which it doesn't agree, anyone, anywhere has a right to an opinion, even if it doesn't suit you.
I don't agree with Gordon most of the time but he has a right.
On 29/06/11 22:11, Ted wrote:
Also,your 'opinion' on our country is of very little interest to me.
TK, K7TRK
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Britain has more CCTV cameras per head of population than anywhere else in the world. Britains airports and military establishments are crawling with armed police and military security staff. As long as the copper on the street here keeps his weapon in it's holster then it's no threat. I can't think of anywhere in my city that had security staff or metal detectors.
Britain already isn't far behidg the US.
On 29/06/11 21:45, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
All this makes me really, really glad I live in a country where we don't have armed thugs on the streets. The things that struck me most about the US were the armed police everywhere, metal detectors on many of the public buildings and the blanket CCTV coverage everywhere. It must be horrible to live like that.
Gordon MM0YEQ
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 22:21:29 +0100 "Nigel A. Gunn" nigel@ngunn.net wrote:
Britain has more CCTV cameras per head of population than anywhere else in the world.
That was actually a bit of nonsense written by one of the far-right tabloids (possibly the Daily Mail). Essentially what some greasy journo did was count up the number of CCTV cameras in about half a mile of the main street of an unpleasant part of London - that includes the privately-run ones on all the bookies, off-licences, pubs, brothels etc - and multiplied by the total length of roads in the UK. By that logic, every surfaced road would have a camera every 25 feet - the farm track to my house would have four! This is plainly not the case.
Britains airports and military establishments are crawling with armed police and military security staff. As long as the copper on the street
I would expect military establishments to have military security staff. I've only very rarely seen armed police at any of the airports here. You saw what happened to the last person who (allegedly) tried to attack an airport in Scotland... Although why anyone would attempt to attack the one building in the surrounding hundred-mile radius with extensive CCTV coverage, an advanced fire-suppression system and some armed police nearby is beyond me - did they not think this through?
here keeps his weapon in it's holster then it's no threat. I can't think of anywhere in my city that had security staff or metal detectors.
Britain already isn't far behidg the US.
Well, you don't get stopped by seven police cars because someone's computer has a typo in your registration number, that's for sure.
I have had problems with the police thinking my car is an illegal taxi. It's a big silver Citroën, the fact that it's a classic doesn't seem to register with them. They just see a silver Citroën, Skoda or Lexus and think "it's a taxi!", especially if it's got a VHF whip on top. That hasn't happened for a couple of years, so presumably they've learned to tell the difference now.
I *did* have a problem with the vehicle licensing - and this relates back to Clint's problem - with them trying to send me parking tickets and congestion charge tickets for my "black BMW X5", down in London. Odd that, they had the registration right but CGA 78X is a white Citroën CX Break and parked outside my house, not a black BMW X5. I guess someone's decided to make a copy of my plates. The fun bit came when they insisted on sending me a tax disc for a black BMW X5 and despite actually showing up at their offices with the damn car refusing to believe that I didn't own a BMW.
Ah, bureaucrats. Can't live with 'em, too much paperwork if you shoot 'em...
Gordon MM0YEQ
At 03:45 PM 6/29/2011, you wrote:
All this makes me really, really glad I live in a country where we don't have armed thugs on the streets.
That is where you are wrong... the thugs will "always" be armed. when the victim is also armed is makes it a even playing field.
When the people here also became armed street robbers went way way down.
nothing in the UK will change till they start sending the robber to jail for "life".
I for one would rather be here then in the UK where only the bad person will armed.
Because of the very-large roll ham radio played in the aftermath of the 1964 Alaska Earthquake (9.2), the legislature passed a resolution that any ham with ham gear installed in their vehicle would not only get "ham call" plates but would be exempt from registration costs. WE still pay any local personal property tax that is included in Alaskan auto tags.
You only get one vehicle licensed with call-sign plates.
73, Ed - KL7UW
At 09:44 AM 6/29/2011, George and Cheryl Abbott wrote:
If you make too big of an issue out of this motor vehicle divisions around the country may begin to treat radio operator pates as vanity plates and charge accordingly.I would care about being charged an additional fee by the DVR!
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Gerhardstein Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:02 PM To: George and Cheryl Abbott Cc: H. Vordenbaum ; Clint Bradford ; AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
George and Cheryl,
So who is complaining? You? Harvey and I signed using our call signs. I've never complained about hams getting more privileges, voice, WARC bands, digital modes, LF, etc. Leaves more energy to be concerned about hams possibly loosing privileges.
73, Larry W7IN (57 years a ham op.)
On 6/29/2011 7:04 AM, George and Cheryl Abbott wrote:
Why do you think that this is such a big deal?Sounds similar to the old timers complaining about the granting of voice privileges for novices back in the 80's.Get a life!
-----Original Message----- From: H. Vordenbaum
Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
Larry W7IN, Plains MT
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Wisconsin is the same way.
I can have WB9SBD on my motorcycle, car, truck, van, as many vehicles as i want to have it on. thats gotta be a mess on their computers when they run a plate I would think. never had it happen, but wonder what does happen say if someone did have it on like all the above.
Joe WB9SBD
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On 6/29/2011 7:37 AM, H. Vordenbaum wrote:
In Texas we have "Radio Plates". I heard that you can have the same call sign on multiple vehicles, so I imagine you could have the same sort of problem if at first glance the vehicle didn't match. Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Gerhardstein"gerhardstein@montana.com To: "Clint Bradford"clintbradford@mac.com Cc: "AMSAT BB"amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
In Washington state, this can not happen. See their DOL personalized plate section. Anything like K6LCS "K6 LCS" are reserved for ham operator plates and will not be issued for personalized. Other states, including Montana, should adopt WA DOL's method of filtering ham call signs. In Montana, we have seen personalized plates containing combinations of letters looking exactly like ham calls--to non-hams.
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IN NJ, we have a small dash # next to the calls indicating the plate # IE NB2F -2(in small #'s) Then they arrest you...HA! Joking...
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:10 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
Wisconsin is the same way.
I can have WB9SBD on my motorcycle, car, truck, van, as many vehicles as i want to have it on. thats gotta be a mess on their computers when they run a plate I would think. never had it happen, but wonder what does happen say if someone did have it on like all the above.
Joe WB9SBD
The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com
On 6/29/2011 7:37 AM, H. Vordenbaum wrote:
In Texas we have "Radio Plates". I heard that you can have the same call sign on multiple vehicles, so I imagine you could have the same sort of problem if at first glance the vehicle didn't match. Harvey, K5HV Kerrville, TX
----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Gerhardstein"gerhardstein@montana.com To: "Clint Bradford"clintbradford@mac.com Cc: "AMSAT BB"amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:24 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: CA Ham Plates - Warning!
In Washington state, this can not happen. See their DOL personalized plate section. Anything like K6LCS "K6 LCS" are reserved for ham operator plates and will not be issued for personalized. Other states, including Montana, should adopt WA DOL's method of filtering ham call signs. In Montana, we have seen personalized plates containing combinations of letters looking exactly
like ham calls--to non-hams.
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