Unfortunately, 70cm UHF doesn't lend itself to unattended SatGate operations like 2m VHF does. I tried catching the ISS on UHF and only managed to hear, but not decode, one packet burst. I can't imagine anything short of a full satellite station with automatic azimuth/elevation control would capture many packets right now.

Actually the problem is not antenna pointing but Doppler. With the 18 KHz of dopper shift, you are only going to capture packets in the center 1/3rd of the pass. But the good news is that the ISS is ten dB closer to you at that time.

Yes, you will not get as many packets, but they can be strong. The problem is that very few people are using the UHF packet digipeater, so if no one is transmitting then there is nothing to hear.

In fact, listening on UHF (for the center of the pass) can be just fine, especially on a 19" vertical whip. Here are the factors:

1) due to Doppler, you are only going to decode packets above say about 30 degrees (without tuning) 2) When it is above 30 degrees, the ISS is 10 dB closer than on the horizon 3) When it is above 30 degrees the antenna pattern of a 19" whip (normally used on 2 meters) acts as a 3/4 wave vertical for UHF and it has almost 7 dBi gain above 30 degrees

So everything is going in your favor and even better link margins on UHF above 30 degrees and the packets should be plenty loud (assuming you minimize your cable loss).

The only BAD news is that the ISS spends more than 70% of all inview time below 30 degrees.

But the GOOD news is that such an IGate station can be natennteded, and with no moving parts and I t can be replicated by lots more people due to this simplicity. So instead of having only say 6 unattended APRS IGates on the 2m downlink to cover the USA, we simply need more stations. Then the APRS-IS system will still capture all packets, though any individual station will only hear their own smaller "cone of strength"..

So we simply need to encourage more IGates and lower "individual" expectations while the larger quantity of IGates raises the "system expectations".

Something like that.

Bob, WB4APR

On 7/10/2012 10:42 AM, Lizeth Norman wrote:

Are there any stations in South America to gate aprs packets to the net from the uhf freq? How does one do this? I've got a few Byonics TT4's from a balloon project. The story: I'll be driving the Panamerica Sur from Lima to Nazca Peru and would like to have the ability to be seen via the net. Norm n3ykf

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Drew, I set up my (part-time) SatGate using UI-View32 and AGW Packet Engine. It was surprisingly easy to get it going. I think the only real problem I ran into was that the link for updating the APRS servers list was dead, but I Googled & found a working link, and manually updated the list.

George, KA3HSW

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From: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbrenner@mindspring.com To: Bob Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu Cc: "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tue, July 10, 2012 3:06:29 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: aprs iss freq: is there anyone out there? UHF works!

Hi Bob,

I could easily set up an Igate, but every time I've looked into it I've been turned off by the complexity of the software setup. Is there a one program, easy to configure solution? Audio in would be best, but tnc decode is ok as well.

73, Drew KO4MA

Drew,

I use UISS with the Sat gate add on and AGWPE. Quick easy setup.

Dave - KB1PVH

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The easiest software I've seen to set up for iGating is APRSIS/32 (Lynn's software). iGate is enabled by default, and you just need to tell it what port to use for the radio (external KISS TNC is easiest) and what server on the Internet side. Done.

Greg KO6TH

Andrew Glasbrenner wrote:

Hi Bob,

I could easily set up an Igate, but every time I've looked into it I've been turned off by the complexity of the software setup. Is there a one program, easy to configure solution? Audio in would be best, but tnc decode is ok as well.

73, Drew KO4MA

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On Jul 10, 2012, at 3:45 PM, "Bob Bruninga"bruninga@usna.edu wrote:

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Unfortunately, 70cm UHF doesn't lend itself to unattended SatGate operations like 2m VHF does. I tried catching the ISS on UHF and only managed to hear, but not decode, one packet burst. I can't imagine anything short of a full satellite station with automatic azimuth/elevation control would capture many packets right now.

Actually the problem is not antenna pointing but Doppler. With the 18 KHz of dopper shift, you are only going to capture packets in the center 1/3rd of the pass. But the good news is that the ISS is ten dB closer to you at that time.

Yes, you will not get as many packets, but they can be strong. The problem is that very few people are using the UHF packet digipeater, so if no one is transmitting then there is nothing to hear.

In fact, listening on UHF (for the center of the pass) can be just fine, especially on a 19" vertical whip. Here are the factors:

1. due to Doppler, you are only going to decode packets above say about 30

degrees (without tuning) 2) When it is above 30 degrees, the ISS is 10 dB closer than on the horizon 3) When it is above 30 degrees the antenna pattern of a 19" whip (normally used on 2 meters) acts as a 3/4 wave vertical for UHF and it has almost 7 dBi gain above 30 degrees

So everything is going in your favor and even better link margins on UHF above 30 degrees and the packets should be plenty loud (assuming you minimize your cable loss).

The only BAD news is that the ISS spends more than 70% of all inview time below 30 degrees.

But the GOOD news is that such an IGate station can be natennteded, and with no moving parts and I t can be replicated by lots more people due to this simplicity. So instead of having only say 6 unattended APRS IGates on the 2m downlink to cover the USA, we simply need more stations. Then the APRS-IS system will still capture all packets, though any individual station will only hear their own smaller "cone of strength"..

So we simply need to encourage more IGates and lower "individual" expectations while the larger quantity of IGates raises the "system expectations".

Something like that.

Bob, WB4APR

On 7/10/2012 10:42 AM, Lizeth Norman wrote:

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Are there any stations in South America to gate aprs packets to the net from the uhf freq? How does one do this? I've got a few Byonics TT4's from a balloon project. The story: I'll be driving the Panamerica Sur from Lima to Nazca Peru and would like to have the ability to be seen via the net. Norm n3ykf

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