I know most of the AMSAT operation is done by volunteers. I also have wondered why some posts for satellite passes seem to be very close or even after the pass occurred. What is the average time between someone sending a post and when it actually appears on the BB? I sent a congratulatory message to the AMSAT team who produce the Journal as well as commenting on the content. I also mentioned getting my AMSAT Journal in the mail today to allow members to know it will be arriving soon. That post was sent at 2:46 PM EDT today.I BCC it to myself. It showed up in 5 seconds. Five hours later, I still do not see it listed on the AMSAT BB. I can see why some posts seem to be at the last minute before something happens that may be of interest to most of us. I'm not complaining, I just wonder if we need to post about 12 hours before something will actually happen. Thanks, Rick WB3CSY
Hi Rick,
Your first message about receiving the AMSAT Journal arrived via my Comcast e-mail at Mon 8/24/2015 1:47 PM according to the time stamp. Throughput on the modernized AMSAT e-mail on our leased servers is usually within minutes. The vintage e-mail on a university server used to take longer.
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM [email protected] AMSAT VP User Services
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Walter Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 6:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Question about AMSAT BB
I know most of the AMSAT operation is done by volunteers. I also have wondered why some posts for satellite passes seem to be very close or even after the pass occurred. What is the average time between someone sending a post and when it actually appears on the BB? I sent a congratulatory message to the AMSAT team who produce the Journal as well as commenting on the content. I also mentioned getting my AMSAT Journal in the mail today to allow members to know it will be arriving soon. That post was sent at 2:46 PM EDT today.I BCC it to myself. It showed up in 5 seconds. Five hours later, I still do not see it listed on the AMSAT BB. I can see why some posts seem to be at the last minute before something happens that may be of interest to most of us. I'm not complaining, I just wonder if we need to post about 12 hours before something will actually happen. Thanks, Rick WB3CSY -- Sent from Rick's gmail account _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Rick,
I could be mistaken, but, I thought that emails you send to the list aren't reflected back to you. You should however get a notice that it was received to the BB. If you ever wonder you can check the archive: http://amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/
73, EMike
EMike McCardel, KC8YLD VP for Educational Relations AMSAT-NA
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On Aug 24, 2015, at 7:52 PM, Rick Walter [email protected] wrote:
I know most of the AMSAT operation is done by volunteers. I also have wondered why some posts for satellite passes seem to be very close or even after the pass occurred. What is the average time between someone sending a post and when it actually appears on the BB? I sent a congratulatory message to the AMSAT team who produce the Journal as well as commenting on the content. I also mentioned getting my AMSAT Journal in the mail today to allow members to know it will be arriving soon. That post was sent at 2:46 PM EDT today.I BCC it to myself. It showed up in 5 seconds. Five hours later, I still do not see it listed on the AMSAT BB. I can see why some posts seem to be at the last minute before something happens that may be of interest to most of us. I'm not complaining, I just wonder if we need to post about 12 hours before something will actually happen. Thanks, Rick WB3CSY -- Sent from Rick's gmail account _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Rick mentioned:
I BCC it to myself. It showed up in 5 seconds. Five hours later, I still do not see it listed on the AMSAT BB.
OK, EMike rang a bell :-) The list won't duplicate messages. The settings assumed you already received the message with your BCC. Try it without the BCC on your next message and you should see your messages shortly afterward. There is a Mailman setting for NODUP for all subscribers.
The timing of the message actually appearing for you also depends on local settings. I use MS-Office Outlook for my primary e-mail. My Outlook settings are to check for new mail every 300 seconds (5 minutes). So a message actually arriving would be sometime in that 5 minute window depending on the time in the receive window when I sent the message.
I use Gmail on my Android tablet and it usually receives messages sooner mostly because it is not likely waiting for the 5 minute receive window as in my Outlook settings.
-- 73 de JoAnne K9JKM [email protected] AMSAT VP User Services
-----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of EMike McCardel Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 8:51 PM To: Rick Walter Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Question about AMSAT BB
Rick,
I could be mistaken, but, I thought that emails you send to the list aren't reflected back to you. You should however get a notice that it was received to the BB. If you ever wonder you can check the archive: http://amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/
73, EMike
EMike McCardel, KC8YLD VP for Educational Relations AMSAT-NA
On 8/24/2015 7:52 PM, Rick Walter wrote:
What is the average time between someone sending a post and when it actually appears on the BB?
When a message "appears on the BB" has a couple of different answers. Your note "appeared" via the web interface a few seconds before 2:47 PM EDT today
http://amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2015-August/054624.html
Google's mail server accepted the remailed message from amsat-bb to [email protected] at 2:47:12 EDT. Once Gmail accepted the message, that is the last I can see of it from the logs on our mail server. I don't know when it "appeared" in your in your inbox. Google does strange and mysterious things* to protect its users from spam, perhaps they are using some new method that results in delivery delays that can't be observed from the sending mail server.
Rick, thanks for this report. I'll see if there is anything I can do to improve delivery from our end.
-Joe KM1P AMSAT Electronic Services
*Sometimes our mail server is "greylisted" by Google. Greylisting is a spam control method where mail is temporarily rejected on the theory that spammers usually don't attempt periodic retries to a temporary delivery failure like legitimate mail senders do. It is not clear why we are put on Google's greylist (or how we get off of it), but that does not appear to be what happened here since they accepted the remailed message right away.
Thank you all for your replies to my question. I did not realize I would not see my message appear on the BB if I BCC'd it to myself. I appreciate the information. 73, Rick
Sent from Rick's iPad2
On Aug 24, 2015, at 10:39 PM, Joe Fitzgerald [email protected] wrote:
On 8/24/2015 7:52 PM, Rick Walter wrote: What is the average time between someone sending a post and when it actually appears on the BB?
When a message "appears on the BB" has a couple of different answers. Your note "appeared" via the web interface a few seconds before 2:47 PM EDT today
http://amsat.org/pipermail/amsat-bb/2015-August/054624.html
Google's mail server accepted the remailed message from amsat-bb to [email protected] at 2:47:12 EDT. Once Gmail accepted the message, that is the last I can see of it from the logs on our mail server. I don't know when it "appeared" in your in your inbox. Google does strange and mysterious things* to protect its users from spam, perhaps they are using some new method that results in delivery delays that can't be observed from the sending mail server.
Rick, thanks for this report. I'll see if there is anything I can do to improve delivery from our end.
-Joe KM1P AMSAT Electronic Services
*Sometimes our mail server is "greylisted" by Google. Greylisting is a spam control method where mail is temporarily rejected on the theory that spammers usually don't attempt periodic retries to a temporary delivery failure like legitimate mail senders do. It is not clear why we are put on Google's greylist (or how we get off of it), but that does not appear to be what happened here since they accepted the remailed message right away.
Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Rick, G-Mail does some weird stuff when dealing with messages sent through a mailing list that drive me nuts - particularly when using the G-Mail client on a phone. To complicate it, this list is set up so that replies to messages go only to the original poster and not to the list itself (unless you use the cursed "Reply All" - and then have to delete the address for the original poster or else they get it twice).
Normally the list server is pretty fast.
Jim Walls K6CCC
---------------------------------------- From: "Rick Walter" [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:36 AM To: "Joe Fitzgerald" [email protected] Cc: "[email protected]" [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Question about AMSAT BB Thank you all for your replies to my question. I did not realize I would not see my message appear on the BB if I BCC'd it to myself. I appreciate the information. 73, Rick
Sent from Rick's iPad2
In the recent past it was mentioned that the list gets a ton of spam, and that complicates delivery times as well... perhaps because some legitimate messages get marked as spam and have to be approved/moderated? On Aug 25, 2015 10:35 AM, "Jim Walls" [email protected] wrote:
Rick, G-Mail does some weird stuff when dealing with messages sent through a mailing list that drive me nuts - particularly when using the G-Mail client on a phone. To complicate it, this list is set up so that replies to messages go only to the original poster and not to the list itself (unless you use the cursed "Reply All" - and then have to delete the address for the original poster or else they get it twice).
Normally the list server is pretty fast.
Jim Walls K6CCC
From: "Rick Walter" [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 4:36 AM To: "Joe Fitzgerald" [email protected] Cc: "[email protected]" [email protected] Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Question about AMSAT BB Thank you all for your replies to my question. I did not realize I would not see my message appear on the BB if I BCC'd it to myself. I appreciate the information. 73, Rick
Sent from Rick's iPad2
Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Legitimate email can sometimes be caught as spam, and if it does not generate a message to the list moderators, if may be anywhere from a few minutes to several hours before it is noticed and released. However, by far the biggest reason a legitimate message is caught is when it is sent from another account rather than the one registered to amsat-bb. There have been a few today. The other reasons are distant seconds.
73s,
Alan WA4SCA
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