Dear All
Thanks respond for help to me
1.Thailand has regular to forbid for transmitt UHF band but can receive the signal for amateur radio satellites only. we need to used VHF band same like transponder of Japanes (FO-29) , AmSat AO-51 , Saudiarabia SO-50 and other satellites. for interference from China Thailand and other countries on VHF is normal.
2.Ok, I do not have knowledge 100 khz bandwidth is too much for the over power. please advice me for 30 khz uplink 145.90-145.92 MHz VHF / 435.10 - 435.12 MHz UHF of liner transponder.
3.We have to design FM repeater use to modify HX1 / RX2A RADIOMETRIX VHF / UHF transmitter module we have change x-tal to 145.90 MHz / 13.59 MHz and used MC3361 with x-tal 10.245 MHz and CML IC FX465 CTCSS Encode/Decode build test it to be successful.
We and technical team of TAMSAT group would like to help and advice for circuit diagram of V/U transponder same like transponder of Japanes (FO-29) and other satellites. We had mail to Mr.William Leijenaar PE1RAH but do not have respond feedback. Mrs Thida of 100watts ham radio magazine of thailand sugges me to know Mr.William.because she meet him on Tokyo ham fair 2009.
On this time we and technical team of TAMSAT group need help very urgent. we need advice of circuit diagram or datasheet IC for build V/U Liner transponder for payload 1U cubesat of JAISAT satellite project.
best regards
Tanan Rangseeprom HS1JAN Project Manager of JAISAT-1 member of RAST email : hs1jan@tamsat.org
----- Original Message ----- From: g0mrf@aol.com To: hs1jan@tamsat.org Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] V/U Linear Transponder
Dear Tanan.
Thanks for the mail via AMSAT.org
My name is David Bowman G0MRF and I'm a member of the team building FUNcube, due for launch this November.
I can help with transponder design, but there are some points which you need to consider.
1) The use of V band for the uplink will be a poor choice for your location. The interference from China and other countries on 145MHz will mean the transponder will not be usable. Using U band for the uplink is a much better choice.
2) The 100kHz bandwidth is too much for the typical power available from a CubeSat. If you get your RF team to do a link budget analysis, you will see the cubesat power budget will not support 100kHz of bandwidth. Ususally 30kHz is as much as you can do with a 1U cube.
3) You may want to consider a FM 'repeater' as there is now only 1 in orbit, while there are several linear transponder satellites ready to be launched. The FM design will allow you to run a very efficient power amplifier (70%) and power can be saved over oceans and areas of low population by using a 67Hz access tone (CML FX465)
I can assist with design but would need to know if you are planning a 1U 2U or 3U design.
William PE???? is good, but will probably just offer to sell you a transponder.
Regards
David G0MRF
some old info is available at www.g0mrf.com/transponder.htm
The attached powerpoint has some pictures of the UV transponder and other boards in FUNcube from AMSAT-UK
Dear Tanan,
I am sorry when I didn't noticed your email before.
The choice between FM transponder or linear transponder depends on the purpose of the satellite.
FM transponders can only adress one station at a time (the one with the biggest uplink power will win), and can only do FM, which is available to all hams, which makes it even more crowded on this one channel. On the other hand it is easy to make (one chip solution).
Linear transponders use some more DC power, but can address multiple stations, in multiple modes (CW, SSB, FM, BPSK, etc), it also leaves room for new (experimental) modes (as long as it fits in the bandpass). The disadvantage is the more difficult RF circuitry, which needs quiet some RF knowlegde and RF experience. To overcome these disadvantages I put my experiences in the developed of the small linear transponder LE005-R2. It can save development time and development cost on (satellite) projects a lot.
Kind regards,
William Leijenaar PE1RAH
www.leijenaarelectronics.nl
________________________________ From: Tanan Rangseeprom HS1JAN hs1jan@tamsat.org To: amsat-bb@amsat.org; leijenaarelectronics@yahoo.com; PE1RDW sats@pe1rdw.demon.nl; g0mrf@aol.com Cc: thidad1@gmail.com; hs5igy@hotmail.com; chawalit@station.in.th; hs2jfw@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] V/U Linear Transponder
Dear All
Thanks respond for help to me
1.Thailand has regular to forbid for transmitt UHF band but can receive the signal for amateur radio satellites only. we need to used VHF band same like transponder of Japanes (FO-29) , AmSat AO-51 , Saudiarabia SO-50 and other satellites. for interference from China Thailand and other countries on VHF is normal.
2.Ok, I do not have knowledge 100 khz bandwidth is too much for the over power. please advice me for 30 khz uplink 145.90-145.92 MHz VHF / 435.10 - 435.12 MHz UHF of liner transponder.
3.We have to design FM repeater use to modify HX1 / RX2A RADIOMETRIX VHF / UHF transmitter module we have change x-tal to 145.90 MHz / 13.59 MHz and used MC3361 with x-tal 10.245 MHz and CML IC FX465 CTCSS Encode/Decode build test it to be successful.
We and technical team of TAMSAT group would like to help and advice for circuit diagram of V/U transponder same like transponder of Japanes (FO-29) and other satellites. We had mail to Mr.William Leijenaar PE1RAH but do not have respond feedback. Mrs Thida of 100watts ham radio magazine of thailand sugges me to know Mr.William.because she meet him on Tokyo ham fair 2009.
On this time we and technical team of TAMSAT group need help very urgent. we need advice of circuit diagram or datasheet IC for build V/U Liner transponder for payload 1U cubesat of JAISAT satellite project.
best regards
Tanan Rangseeprom HS1JAN Project Manager of JAISAT-1 member of RAST email : hs1jan@tamsat.org
----- Original Message ----- From: g0mrf@aol.com To: hs1jan@tamsat.org Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] V/U Linear Transponder
Dear Tanan.
Thanks for the mail via AMSAT.org
My name is David Bowman G0MRF and I'm a member of the team building FUNcube, due for launch this November.
I can help with transponder design, but there are some points which you need to consider.
1) The use of V band for the uplink will be a poor choice for your location. The interference from China and other countries on 145MHz will mean the transponder will not be usable. Using U band for the uplink is a much better choice.
2) The 100kHz bandwidth is too much for the typical power available from a CubeSat. If you get your RF team to do a link budget analysis, you will see the cubesat power budget will not support 100kHz of bandwidth. Ususally 30kHz is as much as you can do with a 1U cube.
3) You may want to consider a FM 'repeater' as there is now only 1 in orbit, while there are several linear transponder satellites ready to be launched. The FM design will allow you to run a very efficient power amplifier (70%) and power can be saved over oceans and areas of low population by using a 67Hz access tone (CML FX465)
I can assist with design but would need to know if you are planning a 1U 2U or 3U design.
William PE???? is good, but will probably just offer to sell you a transponder.
Regards
David G0MRF
some old info is available at www.g0mrf.com/transponder.htm
The attached powerpoint has some pictures of the UV transponder and other boards in FUNcube from AMSAT-UK
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William Leijenaar