Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
2) No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
You could always run for a seat on the AMSAT board. A highly motivated, enthusiastic member, such as yourself, might be able to help achieve more HEO launches.
--- Zach N0ZGO
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page! https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
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From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
and that's not counting AO40,
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM To: David J. Schmocker Cc: AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page! https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
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Everyone: Thank you; the tone of my email asked for this.
I am not a whining proponent. Let me end this thread just as abruptly as I started it.
I realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO. Given a goal of DXCC, the situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest). Of course I know about the GOLF efforts.
I failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a stretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO. The idea previously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world seems most prudent.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:
From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites and that's not counting AO40,
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM To: David J. Schmocker Cc: AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page! https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why
no > HEO?
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Dave,
I'm pretty sure people have gotten DXCC via LEO sats, or for certain many ops have more than a "handful".
You do know you could work portable? Go to the east coast work a ton of EU, then come over to the west coast pick up HI/JAPAN/RUSSIA/AK, then head south to Florida and work all the SA countries, and islands to your heart's content. However, if you plan on sitting in a shack your limiting yourself.
But let's say you don't wanna work portable...Just for fun, I drew a circle with a 8,000km radius from EN53qb, and I can tell you there is more than 100 DX in that circle.
And really would SAT DXCC via a well placed GEO SAT be that fun or exciting? You would just sit there and make contacts all day, and the challenge/fun would be sorta just be gone, IMO.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:43 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: Thank you; the tone of my email asked for this.
I am not a whining proponent. Let me end this thread just as abruptly as I started it.
I realize one can work a handful of DX with LEO. Given a goal of DXCC, the situations looks very different (hence the HEO interest). Of course I know about the GOLF efforts.
I failed to communicate my interest is DXCC via satellites. This is a stretch (from EN53qb) without HEO or perhaps well-placed GEO. The idea previously fronted to reach out to the Elon Musks, etc. of the world seems most prudent.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/18/20 10:55 AM, egon via AMSAT-BB wrote:
From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites and that's not counting AO40,
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM To: David J. Schmocker Cc: AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page!
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why
no > HEO?
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Tucker, I hear what you're saying. But I'm pretty sure Dave is remembering a world of HEO's you may not have experienced, and it's not just having a shot of working Peter on RS-44 (as excited as I was to do it for the first time). I looked back through some log book pages from the early 90's, and what you find are things like regular, predictable contacts with friends all over the world, and the theoretical possibility of eventually working most any country you could find on HF, without the need for computer driven arrays and doppler correction. Sure, you could use them, but you could easily live without them. With a Yaesu sat rig, and enough antenna for a bit of ERP, the capabilities were amazing. AMSAT has a good plan they've committed to and followed, but reading Dave's sentiments I wonder if there aren't a fair number of people like Dave that would contribute to a dedicated HEO project, and volunteer to make that project happen. There is a chance that would cannibalize donations, perhaps, but my guess is that given the number of boomers that remember the good old days, there might be some untapped energy and resources that a dedicated, well-publicized effort would draw out. Scott ka9p
-----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org To: David J. Schmocker kj9idave@charter.net Cc: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 9:59 am Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page! https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
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I recently shared the press release for Open Research Institute being fully funded for Phase 1 of GEO/HEO/Lunar payload work. This is a dedicated amateur radio payload and all of it is open source. All of the work ORI does directly helps AMSAT.
We have a major hardware summit with ARISS/AREx for the Lunar payload on 25 June 2020, a Preliminary Design Review following that, and consistent and successful demonstrations and presentations published over the past three years. Some of us have been working on high altitude amateur payloads for the past decade.
The team welcomes volunteers at all ability levels. ORI takes full advantage of the public domain carve out in ITAR and EAR and promotes open source as the only real alternative to impossibly heavy commercially-based ITAR burdens. The result is a diverse and global team.
ORI has filed a Commodity Jurisdiction request with the US State Department so that all us amateur radio satellite service organizations can benefit from a better regulatory environment. Any result is an improvement over the current situation. A positive result of any type will be game-changing. Regulatory work is a process.
An open source policy for AMSAT is in the works with the help of FD Associations, a consulting firm that specializes in ITAR and EAR. There should be some very good news here by Symposium 2020.
Announcements about the payload work from ORI are sent out to this list from time to time.
There is also a dedicated mailing list at http://lists.openresearch.institute/listinfo.cgi/ground-station-openresearch... if anyone wants more frequent technical, regulatory, and fundraising updates.
-Michelle W5NYV One of your AMSAT Directors
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:37 AM Scott McDonald via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Tucker, I hear what you're saying. But I'm pretty sure Dave is remembering a world of HEO's you may not have experienced, and it's not just having a shot of working Peter on RS-44 (as excited as I was to do it for the first time). I looked back through some log book pages from the early 90's, and what you find are things like regular, predictable contacts with friends all over the world, and the theoretical possibility of eventually working most any country you could find on HF, without the need for computer driven arrays and doppler correction. Sure, you could use them, but you could easily live without them. With a Yaesu sat rig, and enough antenna for a bit of ERP, the capabilities were amazing. AMSAT has a good plan they've committed to and followed, but reading Dave's sentiments I wonder if there aren't a fair number of people like Dave that would contribute to a dedicated HEO project, and volunteer to make that project happen. There is a chance that would cannibalize donations, perhaps, but my guess is that given the number of boomers that remember the good old days, there might be some untapped energy and resources that a dedicated, well-publicized effort would draw out. Scott ka9p
-----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org To: David J. Schmocker kj9idave@charter.net Cc: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 9:59 am Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page!
https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without
HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no
HEO?
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From Alberta Canada I have worked 23 country's on LEO satellites
and that's not counting AO40, VE6EGN/SA3EGN
Egon VE6EGN/SA3EGN -----Original Message----- From: KI7UNJ Tucker via AMSAT-BB Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:59 AM To: David J. Schmocker Cc: AMSAT BB Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] need HEO .. please..
David,
"Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?"
It's very possible to work a DX with just the LEO sats we have now, heck I'm in Oregon and have managed to work Spain and many other countries in that area. The east coast ops are able to work DEEP into the EU and even able to work EU with just FM on AO-91. 2M0SQL (Whom I have worked via LEO) is in Scotland is able to work all the way to the west coast of US via RS-44/AO-7 with passes almost daily, and yes those are LEO sats.
People who say "working DX isn't possible with LEO" need to take a look at orbits, and probably get our of their comfort zone, you won't get much DX on an overhead pass... you need to get out and work those 1* passes or venture out more and get up on a hill and work a negative degree pass. LEO DX is 100% possible!
Sadly, many are just complaining instead of using what we have and or donating. Many of said complainers have no concept of the design/skills/time/money/effort/programming/de-orbital requirements they think its just wham bam the sat is in space.
Read more about what AMSAT is doing to go higher, and DONATE all on this page! https://www.amsat.org/greater-orbit-larger-footprint-an-introduction-to-the-...
MEO or an HEO satellite sounds great and I can't wait, it would be fun and allow me to work many more DX.
/R KI7UNJ
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 4:57 AM David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Forgive me, for I am but a humble DXer. How is DXing possible without HEO?
My donations start and increase in proportion to the satellite orbital height.
very 73,
Dave KJ9I
On 6/17/20 5:08 PM, Joe Leikhim via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Zach; As a long time member of AMSAT, I can assure you I did donate for the AO-40 project. But since that time there have been no significant HEO projects. LEO and primarily FM oriented satellites have been the rule. Year after year, the focus has been on these short term, low earth projects or ARISS.
Who cares if an HEO requires COTS space rated modules to be considered a payload? There is plenty of work to be done on the ground building an earth station.
Paul; Why no outreach to the industry. Elon Musk? A free AMSAT membership, some Honorary AMSAT Knighthood? Anybody ever give him a call?
I know part of this is ITAR and the US basically screwing ourselves by embargoing technology.
"Donate early, donate often.
- No amateur-built hardware on the satellite -- Yes, specifying and
overseeing development takes a LOT of work. I do this for my day job, not satellites, but just as complex. However, designing, building, testing, and deploying amateur-built hardware is what I feel AMSAT is all about. --- Zach N0ZGO"
"There are many political and economic factors that made the partnership with AMSAT-DL possible. "
"the most senior political official we've had who was active in amateur radio was Sen. Barry Goldwater. Currently, Rep. Greg Walden is the only amateur radio operator I'm aware of in high levels of government and he's retiring when his term ends in January.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT"
I really just hear excuses when others ask the same question, why no HEO?
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I've worked 48 DXCC entities from the heart of Texas on the LEO birds. Due to trees, working EU is nearly impossible for me.
Glenn AA5PK
On 06/18/2020 04:53, David J. Schmocker via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Everyone: My thoughts are in full alignment with Joe's view.. "Why no HEO?" Without HEO, my interest in satellites is.. zero.
Get out your checkbook and write a check to AMSAT for $10,000,000.00 and I would guess that a HEO could well appear :)
Remember that there are many aspects to amateur radio, and satellites in particular. Although I for the most part could not care less about about DXing (although I do have WAS and VUCC via satellite - and would have gotten WAC if the ARRL had not lost my submission), I understand that there are people who do. I like to talk to people for more an a few seconds at a time, so the majority of my satellite operating time was via linear birds. Absolutely loved AO-10 and AO-40 (sob) with their high orbits. I would love to see another HEO to use.
In full disclosure, I have not operated satellite in about 15 years. Several reasons for that, but I'm coming back. After what seems like almost every new satellite was a LEO digital bird, we have gotten a number of analog birds in the past couple years. I've got some work to do to get the station back up, but I'm spending money to do that. That includes re-joining AMSAT-NA after a quite a few year gap.
And no, I can't write the 10 million dollar check either...
On 06/18/20 20:10, Jim Walls via AMSAT-BB wrote:
Absolutely loved AO-10 and AO-40 (sob) with their high orbits. I would love to see another HEO to use.
N0JY presented an update back in 2019 which outlined the steps for the new series, GOLF:
https://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Hamcom-Engineerin...
On slide 13, we can see that GOLF-1 has a proposed approximate orbit of 1200km, which is _almost_ MEO, so the program appears to be headed toward those higher orbits.
Slides 14 and 15 show the new orbital debris regulatory challenges, probably caused by the proliferation of space objects, that might be causing some headaches for higher orbits. As Jerry mentions, the only way to qualify a de-orbit device is to use it! So, you're throwing away some money right on the first satellite. Ooof!
Could AMSAT get an exception to this? I don't know, but if everyone who is interested in MEO/HEO would write their congresscritter in a polite and informed way, perhaps they might help us out.
The world has changed, and we need to adapt to it.[1]
--- Zach N0ZGO
[1] I definitely recommend that everyone read: "Who Moved My Cheese?", Johnson, Spencer M.D., ASIN: B004CR6AM4.
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David J. Schmocker -
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Glenn Miller - AA5PK -
Jim Walls -
Joe Leikhim -
KI7UNJ Tucker -
Michelle Thompson -
Scott McDonald -
Zach Metzinger