Bob and Dan -
I sympathize with what you're saying and know you both have AMSAT's best interests at heart. But unfortunately I don't see this exchange going in a positive direction.
We all know this is not the first time somebody has come on this mailing list lacking a constructive motive. It appears that, with such a person, it is a counter-productive to continue the exchange. No matter what meaningful and accurate comments you might make, it will get twisted or otherwise re-interpreted in a negative fashion or in the light most favorable to an ulterior agenda. This is *my opinion* as an AMSAT member and thus *not* something I will debate online, or in private for that matter. Thus understand in advance ["Rocky"] why I will ignore any non-constructive responses to this message.
I think we agree this list is a great thing for those wanting information, having bona fide questions, or wishing to offer a constructive opinion. I will be happy to exchange messages with anybody who (in my opinion) is engaging in something positive or constructive.
I would, however, recommend that those of us who have AMSAT's best interest at heart try something different to deal with negativism. My suggestion is to attempt once (and only once) to steer things in a positive or constructive direction. If that fails, simply state that you are not obligated to exchange messages with anybody you believe is not pursing a positive or constructive agenda. Make it incumbent on the person making the objectionable comments to put things back in a positive direction if they wish to get any replies.
If everybody who has AMSAT's best interests at heart followed that, I think we'd have much better exchanges on this list. Just a thought...
73, Ken N2WWD
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu Sent: Oct 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'Rocky Jones' orbitjet@hotmail.com, n8fgv@usa.net, 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding.
No we are not..
You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal endeavor where "Those that can... DO" and "Those that can't" should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY.
The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional.
No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution. Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can).
And fair questions deserve fair answers.
Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's time.
what have I gotten back? "you are a troll"
Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly...
Hope you are having a good morning.
I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every morning...
Bob
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Ken. I concur the conversation is pointless. how pointless can be seen in the childish level that folks like Frank B have dropped to. It is typical internet flame...
Look the BOD is simply non responsive. they are going to do it how they are going to do it...and they theory is to shut down any differing viewpoints.
See how suitsat 2 goes. If it is a success then wow their theory is validated and I will be the first to congratulate them. If not. Pick up the conversation then
Robert WB5MZO
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:26:41 -0400 From: n2wwd@mindspring.com To: bruninga@usna.edu; orbitjet@hotmail.com; n8fgv@usa.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
Bob and Dan -
I sympathize with what you're saying and know you both have AMSAT's best interests at heart. But unfortunately I don't see this exchange going in a positive direction.
We all know this is not the first time somebody has come on this mailing list lacking a constructive motive. It appears that, with such a person, it is a counter-productive to continue the exchange. No matter what meaningful and accurate comments you might make, it will get twisted or otherwise re-interpreted in a negative fashion or in the light most favorable to an ulterior agenda. This is *my opinion* as an AMSAT member and thus *not* something I will debate online, or in private for that matter. Thus understand in advance ["Rocky"] why I will ignore any non-constructive responses to this message.
I think we agree this list is a great thing for those wanting information, having bona fide questions, or wishing to offer a constructive opinion. I will be happy to exchange messages with anybody who (in my opinion) is engaging in something positive or constructive.
I would, however, recommend that those of us who have AMSAT's best interest at heart try something different to deal with negativism. My suggestion is to attempt once (and only once) to steer things in a positive or constructive direction. If that fails, simply state that you are not obligated to exchange messages with anybody you believe is not pursing a positive or constructive agenda. Make it incumbent on the person making the objectionable comments to put things back in a positive direction if they wish to get any replies.
If everybody who has AMSAT's best interests at heart followed that, I think we'd have much better exchanges on this list. Just a thought...
73, Ken N2WWD
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu Sent: Oct 20, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'Rocky Jones' orbitjet@hotmail.com, n8fgv@usa.net, 'Amsat BB' amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: THE DMSP launch
so what? We should never on the BB have differences with the direction that the satellite program is going? YOu have to be kidding.
No we are not..
You clearly do not understand volunteerism in a highly techincal endeavor where "Those that can... DO" and "Those that can't" should contribute or GET OUT OF THE WAY.
The only comments I and others have raised or made have been completely professional.
No, just incessant whining and no productive contribution. Either BUILD something, or contribute to those that are, or shut up and get out of the way.. (my personal opinion since I have NO position within AMSAT other than as a contributor where I can).
And fair questions deserve fair answers.
Yes, do some work instead of driviling... go develop some answers, and stop acting like a troll just wasting everyone's time.
what have I gotten back? "you are a troll"
Yes, all of your posts seem to meet that definition perfectly...
Hope you are having a good morning.
I will when I can stop having to read your drivel every morning...
Bob
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