Re: [amsat-bb] AMSAT-BB Digest, Vol 10, Issue 338
Hello! I agree with Luciano, PY5LF......AO-85 is much more friendly with us! Greetings from GF05 MikeLU3EMB
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Today's Topics:
1. AO85 Pass (PY5LF) 2. AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok, Thailand (Karn Suwanrat) 3. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (skristof@etczone.com) 4. Re: FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now (Robert McGwier) 5. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path) (Robert Bruninga) 6. Re: Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path) (skristof@etczone.com) 7. M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER (Peter Budnik) 8. Re: AO85 vs SO-50 (GW1FKY@aol.com) 9. AO 85 operations (James Brown) 10. Re: AO 85 operations (mvivona@yahoo.com) 11. Re: AO 85 operations (R.T.Liddy) 12. Re: AO 85 operations (Kevin Schuchmann) 13. Ao-73/FUNcube mode change (Jim Heck G3WGM) 14. Re: AO 85 operations (mvivona@yahoo.com)
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:41:46 -0200 From: "PY5LF" py5lf@falautomation.com.br To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org, starcom-bb@star-com.net Subject: [amsat-bb] AO85 Pass Message-ID: 005301d118a9$a65282e0$f2f788a0$@falautomation.com.br Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi
AO85 are very nice to work now ,much more stable.
73
PY5LF
Luciano Fabricio
Curitiba-PR-BR GG54jm
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 23:19:35 +0700 From: Karn Suwanrat e20zfd@gmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-85 FM UV Voice mode received over Bangkok, Thailand Message-ID: CAKhufXtn26TnCsMHeXBKfvnaA-1Hu4Fu_Y6F866xhKW7CRx=zw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMHiHmINIeE
I could receive a FM Phone Mode for only a few second toward the end of the pass. So I don't know who was calling.
Fox-1A (AO-85) Mode FM (U/V Transponder) Freq. 145.980 MHz Date 2015 NOV 6 Time 1523-1538UTC Max El 72
Rx By E20ZFD Grid OK03gs
73'
Karn
E20ZFD/AA1AF
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Message: 3 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 11:23:09 -0500 From: skristof@etczone.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter Message-ID: 174f353930ba5d91bf3f16e2d30369c3@etczone.com Content-Type: text/plain
If I get one of these things, I would like to do it right and not screw up the network. What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? I assume it's posted somewhere, but a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a newbie like me.
If these things get popular maybe a set of standards could be posted on the AMSAT and APRS websites.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-06 10:36, Joe wrote:
with all the new computer capabilities, couldn't a ummm filter or something be made, that if it is a -11 signal. then regardless of what is being sent for hops it is ignored? if above "X" feet?
Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com [1] On 11/6/2015 9:19 AM, Robert Bruninga wrote: It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system Hams do a good job of self policing when they know the requirements and proper procedures. APRS hasn't failed in over 22 years. The purpose of this thread is to simply remind people that balloons should use the recommended path for balloons that can cover a million square miles, and not the same path they use for their car locally. Bob, WB4APR -----Original Message----- From: AMSAT-BB [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Doyle Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter It looks like it is time to restructure the entire APRS system. Any network that can be brought down by non-compliant clients has a big problem and should be restructured. Trying to police the entire world to make sure no one violates a protocol for a large scale open access network is sure to fail. 73 W9KE Tom Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device
will use. It is an abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 4 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:23:39 -0600 From: Robert McGwier rwmcgwier@gmail.com To: Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org Cc: "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FoxTelem Program Java aspect crashes every day now Message-ID: CA+K5gzcHh86k369hU5ReA5aW+NLSkVBZs-ocvqfT+gYn+bRL0Q@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
And you all are doing a fabulous job. The only thing I remind my peers of is that people spend their own money and their valuable free time tapping their toes gleefully anticipating success and participation. I've been amongst the , now reformed, guilty. I don't do the answers as I'm too busy, but I support the need. We need more volunteers who want to support the engineers in this but must be trusted to help and not hinder.
Having done this stuff for years, let me admonish users to remember that if you have a critique or question something, please approach it as if the engineer has already considered it and dealt with it and you'll find a willing conversationalist. We're all proud of our work and, no, we don't always get it right. But you can generally assume we've tried really hard to. Don't come into our house and toss the furniture about. You won't find us willing hosts to have you at our table.
Respectfully and 73s, Bob N4HY
On Wednesday, November 4, 2015, Jerry Buxton n0jy@amsat.org wrote:
A work in progress, one thing for consideration is that Chris also has to work with me to provide versions that do Fox-1Cliff/D for our testing of those as well as providing us the way to reliably get data to and mine data from the server as we check out AO-85, so his time is divided. The plus to that is that we are expecting releases before 1Cliff/D that will provide automatic slow/high speed data switching and better performance as you all provide feedback to help him learn what needs tweaking. Testing FoxTelem on the ground with a satellite 3 feet away or using a recording isn't the real deal of course, so just like with the performance of Fox-1A AO-85 on orbit there are things to be learned about real world performance of FoxTelem.
Remember - it's a hobby. :-)
Thank you for your support.
Jerry Buxton, N?JY
On 11/4/2015 14:55, Bob KD7YZ wrote:
On 04-Nov-15 1251, Paul Stoetzer wrote: . I know, for example, that AC0RA is using an FCD
direct to FoxTelem and has submitted 2,703 frames.
I too am FCDP+ straight to the 2m antenna
As for FoxTelem not being totally hands-off. (A) the "Implementors" are/will fix that with the soon-here next release.
(B) they also told me, or all of us, that irrespective of the Java crash, data collection goes on; data is stored; next re-start of PGM, the data is uploaded.
So I ain't no more gonna worry 'bout it.
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Message: 5 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 11:49:22 -0500 From: Robert Bruninga bruninga@usna.edu To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path) Message-ID: efaeb7a6b27568da622dc4ed754191f9@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
ARGH! You are right. SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.
So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page: http://aprs.org/balloons.html
-----Original Message-----
What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
newbie like me.
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert
Bruninga wrote:
The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 12:50:19 -0500 From: skristof@etczone.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Open source APRS tracker Kickstarter (Proper Path) Message-ID: 5c2f63ab89d751a1e726b41a1afbd965@etczone.com Content-Type: text/plain
Perfect! Thank you very much.
Steve AI9IN
On 2015-11-06 11:49, Robert Bruninga wrote:
ARGH! You are right. SOmwhere over the last 22 years, the link and page BALLOONS.TXT file is gone.
So I just added the path receommendation to the top of our page: http://aprs.org/balloons.html [1]
-----Original Message-----
What is a suggested addressing protocol for an APRS balloon? a quick search of the internet didn't turn up anything obvious to a
newbie like me.
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Robert Bruninga wrote: The #1 question is what Path this device will use. It is an
abomination
to fly such a tracker on the APRS network with a beacon rate more often than once a minute, *OR* with a path via more than 1 hop. If those limits are not implemented in hardware, these devices could trash the national APRS frequency. Half the balloons we see go up to not adhere to these APRS standards because the operators are clueless to the netwrk constraints and apparently do nothing to research the proper settings.. Bob, WB4APR
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Message: 7 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:33:52 -0500 From: "Peter Budnik" kb1hy2@comcast.net To: "Amsat - BBs" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] M2 LEO PACK - FREE SHIPPING CONUS or BEST OFFER Message-ID: DB4F1112E07D492E8702D56AF22573B6@PeterPC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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Message: 8 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:32:04 -0500 From: GW1FKY@aol.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO85 vs SO-50 Message-ID: 1ebc72.2147b3d.436e5a34@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Reference the comments on operating AO-85 by Dani ( M0HXM /EA4GPZ ) and the frequencies that he states that he uses Dani - Typing error I am sure .- You make reference to 436 Mhz but it should be 435 Mhz on the uplink. Regards and good luck. Ken Eaton GW1FKY Amsat -UK Amsat NA
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Message: 9 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:51:58 +0000 (UTC) From: James Brown jimki6wj@sbcglobal.net To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations Message-ID: 1463096959.974232.1446843118709.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50. ThanksJim KI6WJ
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Message: 10 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:17:32 +0000 (UTC) From: "mvivona@yahoo.com" mvivona@yahoo.com To: James Brown jimki6wj@sbcglobal.net, AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations Message-ID: 398922840.847250.1446844653178.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
James, There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it. All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow... Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies". http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_... it out sometime, it's lots of fun. ?Michael KC4AVA
From: James Brown jimki6wj@sbcglobal.net To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50. ThanksJim KI6WJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 11 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 21:50:52 +0000 (UTC) From: "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net To: "mvivona@yahoo.com" mvivona@yahoo.com, James Brown jimki6wj@sbcglobal.net, AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations Message-ID: 1738206563.1061136.1446846652528.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Try this link (without the AMSAT-BB syntax error): http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_...
GL/73, ? ? Bob ?K8BL
From: mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org To: James Brown jimki6wj@sbcglobal.net; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
James, There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it. All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow... Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies". http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_... it out sometime, it's lots of fun. ?Michael KC4AVA
? ? ? From: James Brown jimki6wj@sbcglobal.net To: AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations ? I am confused. is AO85 operational for FM? If so, what freqs.? should I program. I will be in death valley the next 7 days? and want to try it and so 50. ThanksJim KI6WJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Message: 12 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 14:05:24 -0800 From: Kevin Schuchmann WA6FWF@comcast.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations Message-ID: 563D2423.6030805@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
You Know Michael for a guy that was complaining about not being able to receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When you were having troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.
It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a troll like you in the future.
Kevin WA6FWF
On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
James, There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it. All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow... Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies". http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_... Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun. Michael KC4AVA
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Message: 13 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:09:35 -0000 From: "Jim Heck G3WGM" jimlist@zoho.com To: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org Subject: [amsat-bb] Ao-73/FUNcube mode change Message-ID: C17BF3F10F614669BB7DB137A5CD0270@jimPC2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original
Hi Fold,
I have just changed AO-73/FUNcube to full time transponder ON mode. As usual, plan it to revert to auto eclipse mode on Sun pm UTC.
Enjoy
73s Jim G3WGM
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Message: 14 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 22:31:24 +0000 (UTC) From: "mvivona@yahoo.com" mvivona@yahoo.com To: Kevin Schuchmann WA6FWF@comcast.net, "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations Message-ID: 2093595403.869396.1446849084608.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
You are so right Kevin, now I feel terrible. ?Michael
From: Kevin Schuchmann WA6FWF@comcast.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] AO 85 operations
You Know Michael? for a guy that was complaining about not being able to receive AO-85 telem a few days ago and considering all the help you got from people your reply to James was pretty crappy. When? you were having troubles you could have gone out to Google also and actually done some work on your own and found there is more than one way to capture telem.
It would have been fine to say the info is easily found on Google and let it drop, but your flippant attitude makes me less likely to help a troll like you in the future.
Kevin WA6FWF
On 11/6/2015 1:17 PM, mvivona--- via AMSAT-BB wrote:
James, There is a brand new tool on-line. It's called "Google". I know, it's a funny name that probably won't every make it. All you do it type in what you are looking for a magically answers from all over the world pop up. Wow... Here is what Google showed me for "AO-85 Frequencies". http://www.amsat.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/FoxOperatingGuide_... Try it out sometime, it's lots of fun. ? Michael KC4AVA
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