Rick, I don't want any one individual to "engage the membership on the BB"; Just to get the Executive (yes all of them) involved in getting the "message out". At Pittsburgh this year we were introduced to the new member of the executive whose duties included publicity .... maybe I am missing something but I have not seen any action. AMSAT needs the support of it's members and that includes the Financial support in order to purchase parts, build satellites, pay bills, pay rent etc etc, Being just a member and paying annual dues does not anyway near pay for satellites or launches 73 Robin Immediate Past President AMSAT

-----Original Message----- From: Rick Hambly (W2GPS) [mailto:w2gps@cnssys.com] Sent: December 11, 2007 5:43 PM To: 'R.Haighton' Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Putting The Cart Before The Horse

Robin,

I understand that you have always wanted me to engage the membership on the BB but I just don't have time. I do it through the Journal, e-mails and meetings. It's the best I can do for now.

What really upsets me is how much the messages on the BB seem to be about what these people (often not members) want for themselves. They are seldom willing to do anything to make their dreams happen. Somehow it should be up to "us." This is not the same attitude I get from people at meetings, Hamfests and the Symposium. There the people are much more engaged and supportive.

Rick W2GPS AMSAT LM2232

-----Original Message----- From: R.Haighton [mailto:fhaighton@cogeco.ca] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:13 PM To: 'Rick Hambly (W2GPS)'; 'Fred A Parker' Cc: 'amsat-bb'; 'Lou MC Fadin' Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: Putting The Cart Before The Horse

-----Original Message-----

Rick Hambly Wrote......

With all due respect, I suggest that you may not be adequately informed. Did you attend the Annual Symposium to find out what is really going on? Have you visited the AMSAT Lab yet? Have you attended an AMSAT Board meeting or written to the Board members to get more information? Do you read the project reports in the Journal? If you think things are headed down the wrong path then I recommend that you get informed and get personally involved. I think you will find that some of your perceptions are correct (very little is done yet) and some are not (the cart [is] before the horse).

Rick

W2GPS

AMSAT President

Rick one of the duties of the executive is to keep the membership informed, not everyone can attend the Board Meetings or the Annual meeting and Symposium or visit the Lab, Yes Fred May not be adequately informed but I believe that is a function of the Executive " to ensure that all members have the up-to-date information presented to them on a regular Basis. How else can we expect the membership to contribute towards the AMSAT projects. 73

Robin Haighton VE3FRH Immediate Past President AMSAT

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From: Fred A Parker [mailto:fparker@paulbunyan.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 12:56 AM To: amsat-bb; w2gps@amsat.org; Lou MC Fadin Subject: Putting Thr Cart Befor The Horse

After receiving a mailing today from Amsat written by Richard Hambly. I find it imposable to keep quite any longer. Has anyone heard of the saying, putting the cart before the horse. Amsat needs to finish at least one of there present projects before moving on to what in the end may well turn out to be a bunch of pipe dreams. I am speaking of the Mars mission and Geostationary packages. One year ago I was told that Cubesat II would be launched in the fall of 2007. As far as I know very little is done yet. Especially in the electronics end. Don't get me wrong all these ideas are great but lets get back to the basics and finish what we have started befor taking on anything new or nothing will get done.

Fred KF0AK

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