Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ
That is not true. While ARISS-USA has been established as a separate organization, AMSAT is still a full partner in ARISS with both US and Canadian delegates to ARISS International. We are 100% committed to continuing our involvement in amateur radio on human spaceflight missions, including ARISS and as part of the Amateur Radio Exploration (AREx) group developing amateur communications systems for the Lunar Gateway.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Executive Vice President AMSAT
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:13 AM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
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I have heard that rumor, but it is Fake News. AMSAT still enjoys a strong relationship with ARISS. ARISS-USA was formed as a separate nonprofit to provide them with more fundraising and grant opportunities.
Frank Bauer is still AMSAT's VP of Human Space Flight.
Robert, KE4AL
On Thursday, July 16, 2020, 09:14:28 AM CDT, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Thanks all for the clarification.
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 7:33 AM Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com wrote:
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
*Dave Taylor, W8AAS*
AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration) meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
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My confusion remains. In the candidate statement just sent by Robert McGwier, he says "AMSAT already has a damaged reputation with the separation of ARISS".
I'd like clarification, please.
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:02 AM ka3hdo@gmail.com wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration) meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
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Ask Frank Bauer.
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:56 AM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
My confusion remains. In the candidate statement just sent by Robert McGwier, he says "AMSAT already has a damaged reputation with the separation of ARISS".
I'd like clarification, please.
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:02 AM ka3hdo@gmail.com wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS
web
site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio
Exploration)
meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the
international
ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the
past.
Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
the
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I am the Director that was on the call.
Frank Bauer has been the only source of information, so far, on the relationship between AMSAT and ARISS.
The information is positive and greatly appreciated.
AMSAT board of directors is waiting for a promised report from the AMSAT President about the announcement from ARISS USA.
I'm confident that the path forward can be mutually beneficial and cooperative.
This is why regular board meetings are a good thing.
If members want regular board meetings, where relationships with truly wonderful organizations like ARISS USA are reinforced and supported, please carefully consider who you are voting for in this election.
The incumbents completely shut down regular meetings of the board of directors of AMSAT.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:01 AM Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
My confusion remains. In the candidate statement just sent by Robert McGwier, he says "AMSAT already has a damaged reputation with the separation of ARISS".
I'd like clarification, please.
Bob W7OTJ
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:02 AM ka3hdo@gmail.com wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS
web
site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio
Exploration)
meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the
international
ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the
past.
Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
the
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Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: https://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration) meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
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I think of AMSAT and AMSAT-NA as the same thing. I think you might mean ARISS USA.
Patrick Stoddard asked this question on the AMSAT board mailing list.
I have confidence that Frank and Clayton can figure this out and inform the respective boards.
I would prefer that there was more alacrity here, and better communication, but I assume they are doing their best.
-Michelle W5NYV
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 10:51 AM Fernando Ramirez via AMSAT-BB < amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org
wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS
web
site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio
Exploration)
meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the
international
ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the
past.
Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect
the
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Opinions
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AMSAT-NA appoints their representative to the ARISS-International Working Group.
There is no ARISS-NA. The entity is doing business as ARISS-USA.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
From: Fernando Ramirez framirezferrer@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:34 PM To: ka3hdo@gmail.com Cc: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com; Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB <amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org > wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org http://www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration) meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor <ariss.w8aas@gmail.com mailto:ariss.w8aas@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond <propgrinder@gmail.com mailto:propgrinder@gmail.com > Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
<amsat-bb@amsat.org mailto:amsat-bb@amsat.org > wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org mailto:AMSAT-BB@amsat.org . AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
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My bad, I meant ARISS USA.
73 KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 10:57 AM ka3hdo@gmail.com wrote:
AMSAT-NA appoints their representative to the ARISS-International Working Group.
There is no ARISS-NA. The entity is doing business as ARISS-USA.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
*From:* Fernando Ramirez framirezferrer@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:34 PM *To:* ka3hdo@gmail.com *Cc:* Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com; Bob Hammond < propgrinder@gmail.com>; amsat-bb@amsat.org *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
So, who is going to appoint representatives to ARISS? ARISS-NA or AMSAT?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 9:12 AM Frank Bauer via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Agree with all, this is NOT true.
Please read the press release on the new ARISS-USA entity on the ARISS web site www.ariss.org (4th article down). As Dave and others eloquently state, ARISS-USA has a good relationship with AMSAT. In fact, the AMSAT-NA President, several AMSAT-NA senior officers and one of the AMSAT-NA BoD members attended today's Lunar Gateway (AREx, or Amateur Radio Exploration) meeting.
I get this as a digest, so sorry about the delay.
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO ARISS-USA Executive Director AMSAT-NA V.P. for Human Spaceflight Programs
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM To: Bob Hammond propgrinder@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
That is not true. AMSAT remains a sponsoring partner of the international ARISS working group.
What you might have seen is the announcement that the team of ARISS volunteers in the US has incorporated as a non-profit corporation (ARISS-USA). This was done to allow ARISS to sign agreements (with NASA and others) and seek grants in the ARISS name. In the past, AMSAT has done that in the US on behalf of ARISS. The functional change is that ARISS is assuming for itself some of the tasks that AMSAT has donated in the past. Our working relationship is not changing.
Dave Taylor, W8AAS AMSAT-NA Delegte to ARISS-International
On Jul 16, 2020, at 10:12 AM, Bob Hammond via AMSAT-BB
amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Recently, there was mention of AMSAT no longer being welcome in the ISS program. Is that true? Or do I need more coffee this morning?
Bob W7OTJ _______________________________________________ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the
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Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist of long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for all of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
Thanks
Bruce
I think the words “walked off” is harsh and not true. So please refrain from using that language regarding any discussion about the relationship between ARISS-USA and AMSAT-NA.
Several of you have requested more details on the recent entity birth of ARISS-USA, I suggest you read the press release on ariss.org. From an historic perspective here are a few more details:
ARISS has grown and matured. When we started this program 24 years ago, ARISS was a working group and most of our efforts were funded by NASA. Funding support changed subtlety in 2006 and abruptly in 2014. From 2014 on, ARISS had to garner all funding necessary to keep the program alive and sustained. As many know, critical in program sustainment is setting up agreements and garnering sponsors for the program. Today, ARISS has a much bigger portfolio on ISS (thanks to the steadfast support of AMSAT-NA). We now have new, emerging radio systems on ISS (which the ham community will benefit from soon). And the evolution of the next-gen radio system will provide more impactful education. In addition to this, the landscape on ISS is expanding rapidly with commercial crew astronauts now on-board, tourists on-board ISS in the future and commercial modules to support these tourist astronauts as housing, enabling them to perform research, enjoying Earth views, and, hopefully, using an on-board ham radio system. In addition, as the space agencies are expanding into deep space, to the moon, we leading the ham radio efforts on the Lunar Gateway. All these current and future initiatives need myriad of agreements, etc. This, coupled with the fact that we kept getting questions from our sponsors asking why we had not become our own separate entity, we started the discussions to become an entity in February 2019 finalized this as an entity in late May. I hope this historic perspective helps all understand why we transformed ARISS-USA into an entity.
As the Executive Director for ARISS-USA, I want to say emphatically, in all the endeavors described above, ARISS-USA wants to continue its long-term, outstanding relationship with AMSAT-NA.
Ad astra!
73, Frank Bauer, KA3HDO
ARISS-USA Executive Director
AMSAT V.P. for Human Spaceflight Operations
From: Bruce Perens bruce@perens.com Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:09 PM To: Fernando Ramirez framirezferrer@gmail.com Cc: ka3hdo@gmail.com; AMSAT BB amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] ISS and AMSAT?
Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist of long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for all of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
Thanks
Bruce
Thank you, Frank. I will do as you say.
Assume what you like, Bruce. But for clarification of Bob McGwier’s statement about AMSAT’s reputation, you’ll have to ask Bob what he meant. Neither Frank nor anyone else can speak for him.
As for ARISS, the international working group is and always has been an independent activity, co-sponsored by AMSAT, ARRL, and many other ham organizations around the world. The ARISS volunteer team in the US has not walked away from anyone, merely formed a legal entity to allow actions it could not undertake otherwise.
Dave, W8AAS
On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB amsat-bb@amsat.org wrote:
Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist of long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for all of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
Thanks
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Dave,
It is very easy to get out of sync on emails. Frank has already corrected my assumptions and I have agreed to state the situation as he desires. Let's all have a nice day now, please.
Thanks
Bruce
Please forgive my ignorance but I'm confused about this AMSAT-ARISS USA deal is going to work. Wouldn't be the rational thing for ARISS USA to appoint the representatives to ARISS (at least the US representative)? What if an AMSAT BoD decides to appoint someone who is not a part of ARISS USA?
KF7R
On Thu, Jul 16, 2020, 1:49 PM Dave Taylor ariss.w8aas@gmail.com wrote:
Assume what you like, Bruce. But for clarification of Bob McGwier’s statement about AMSAT’s reputation, you’ll have to ask Bob what he meant. Neither Frank nor anyone else can speak for him.
As for ARISS, the international working group is and always has been an independent activity, co-sponsored by AMSAT, ARRL, and many other ham organizations around the world. The ARISS volunteer team in the US has not walked away from anyone, merely formed a legal entity to allow actions it could not undertake otherwise.
Dave, W8AAS
On Jul 16, 2020, at 2:09 PM, Bruce Perens via AMSAT-BB <
amsat-bb@amsat.org> wrote:
Until I am told otherwise, I am going to assume that in addition to the Phase 4 project having walked off of AMSAT and formed ORI, ARISS has now walked off and is also functioning as an independent entity.
Bob MgGwier N4HY is someone we can trust, and an eminent space scientist
of
long duration and impeccable credentials, but I would much rather hear first-hand from Frank Bauer. I don't know him.
ORI now has a lot more missions than just Phase 4. It would be nice for
all
of these former-AMSAT-projects to return to AMSAT.
Thanks
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