Re: [amsat-bb] Elevation meter Rotor YAESU G-5500 stopped working
Sez he's using a tracker (ea3tx), it's rotating the rotator just fine.
EL meter on the G-5500 does not work (only symptom). The schematic shows the segmentation of the drive circuitry. If the tracker is being driven (ADC from terminal two repeated on the aux jack), should be internal problem.
Triage is critical for this stuff. I have lost weekends
This problem is just an annoyance for now.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:06 PM, W3AB/GEO w3ab@yahoo.com wrote:
Didn't catch that he was using a tracker. Did he bypass it?
Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO
On Jul 18, 2017, 17:04, at 17:04, Norm n3ykf normanlizeth@gmail.com wrote:
If the box is driving the tracker (that's what he says), it's not external. Time to get the screwdriver.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:01 PM, W3AB/GEO w3ab@yahoo.com wrote:
Norm,
He should make sure it is not an external issue before he dives into
the
internal circuitry.
He should also check that the controller is operating before opening
the
controller.
Albert, take a VOM, set it on AC and the 50V range if it isn't
autoranging.
Turn on the controller. Put 1 lead on pin 6 of the terminal strip,
the other
lead on pin 4 and operate the up/down switch. Do the same for pin 5.
If the
controller is operating correctly you should measure ~30V. If not,
you have
an internal failure and follow Norm's advice. ___ Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO
On Jul 18, 2017, 16:50, at 16:50, Norm n3ykf normanlizeth@gmail.com
wrote:
Albert,
Take EXTREME CARE working on equipment that has power applied.
You'll need a copy of the schematic. Preferably the one that came
with
the controller/rotator. There are at least two different power op-amp power supply layouts. One with a pass transistor and zener diodes,
the
other a 75L10 regulator.
Unplug the control box.
Remove the top cover. Remove the front two screws from the bottom cover. This will let the face (meters, circuit board and switches) free. (still wired to the rest)
Get two books. Turn the front face down on top of the books, switches between the books. (to allow the assembly to sit level and not press/break the switches)
MAKE SURE THE UNIT IS UNPLUGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Q4 is one half of a 4558 op amp pair(two on one chip, the other runs AZ output for the aux jack).
Find Q4.
You're mission is to check the various components making up the drive circuit for the EL meter for trouble.
Could be:
Shorted capacitor
Open diode
Short or open via other means.
MAKE SURE THIS IS UNPLUGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Use an Ohmmeter to look for capacitors that aren't open (Should look close to it, at least the values in the circut. Electrolytics are a different story...) Look for open diodes. Meter anything reasonably accessable, starting from the wiper on VR2 on the back panel. Some things are best looked at with respect to ground, others point to point reading the components in between.
DANGER!!! DANGER!!!! DANGER!!!
This part of the test requires making power on voltage measurements. Here be dragons, or a trip to your eternal reward!!!
Locate L2 and L4. Those components (each in their seperate circuit) form the power supplies (rails) for the EL op amp. See C1 (the
voltage
output) next to L2? C2 likewise next to L4?
Check the pins 8(C1) with respect to ground and 4(C2) of Q4. These
are
the power supply rails (should be +/- 12 volts or so).
Before plugging it in to test, make sure no bare wires are touching things they should not be.
Plug it in (you did leave the power switch on, didn't you??). Test away. UNPLUG IT AS SOON AS YOU'RE DONE!!!!
Have fun and don't break anything. A fire here is a failure.
Norm n3ykf
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Albert van Deursen avdeur@home.nl wrote:
Hi all,
All of a sudden the elevation meter stopped working of my Yaesu
G-5500 rotor
controller unit .
No issue with the AZ meter. Rotor itself keeps on steering /
working
without any problem in EL &AZ (via interface EA4TX ARS-USB) so all
still
working fine (fortunately !) for satellite work.
Looks like a component failure in the controller unit or the meter
itself ?
A physical check (opening the controller unit) didn't show any
anomaly.
Being a not too tech ham was wondering if any of you Yaesu rotor
users had
seen this problem before / around ?
Possibly anyone to hint/ indicate at a quick check in the schematic
wire
diagram to where to start looking for this failure ?
Thanks beforehand for yr appreciated advice
73
Albert
PD0OXW
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Dear OM's ! First of all thanks yr appreciated feedback. Yes rotors work perfectly so failure must be in the control unit. Will follow yr hints and revert ASAP. Time to grab the meter (Volt) and start another kind of "tracking" !
73 Albert PD0OXW
-----Original Message----- From: Norm n3ykf [mailto:normanlizeth@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2017 02:11 To: W3AB/GEO Cc: Albert van Deursen; <,amsat-bb@amsat.org>, Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Elevation meter Rotor YAESU G-5500 stopped working
Sez he's using a tracker (ea3tx), it's rotating the rotator just fine.
EL meter on the G-5500 does not work (only symptom). The schematic shows the segmentation of the drive circuitry. If the tracker is being driven (ADC from terminal two repeated on the aux jack), should be internal problem.
Triage is critical for this stuff. I have lost weekends
This problem is just an annoyance for now.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:06 PM, W3AB/GEO w3ab@yahoo.com wrote:
Didn't catch that he was using a tracker. Did he bypass it?
Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO
On Jul 18, 2017, 17:04, at 17:04, Norm n3ykf normanlizeth@gmail.com wrote:
If the box is driving the tracker (that's what he says), it's not external. Time to get the screwdriver.
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 8:01 PM, W3AB/GEO w3ab@yahoo.com wrote:
Norm,
He should make sure it is not an external issue before he dives into
the
internal circuitry.
He should also check that the controller is operating before opening
the
controller.
Albert, take a VOM, set it on AC and the 50V range if it isn't
autoranging.
Turn on the controller. Put 1 lead on pin 6 of the terminal strip,
the other
lead on pin 4 and operate the up/down switch. Do the same for pin 5.
If the
controller is operating correctly you should measure ~30V. If not,
you have
an internal failure and follow Norm's advice. ___ Sent from my two way wrist watch 73 de W3AB/GEO
On Jul 18, 2017, 16:50, at 16:50, Norm n3ykf normanlizeth@gmail.com
wrote:
Albert,
Take EXTREME CARE working on equipment that has power applied.
You'll need a copy of the schematic. Preferably the one that came
with
the controller/rotator. There are at least two different power op-amp power supply layouts. One with a pass transistor and zener diodes,
the
other a 75L10 regulator.
Unplug the control box.
Remove the top cover. Remove the front two screws from the bottom cover. This will let the face (meters, circuit board and switches) free. (still wired to the rest)
Get two books. Turn the front face down on top of the books, switches between the books. (to allow the assembly to sit level and not press/break the switches)
MAKE SURE THE UNIT IS UNPLUGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Q4 is one half of a 4558 op amp pair(two on one chip, the other runs AZ output for the aux jack).
Find Q4.
You're mission is to check the various components making up the drive circuit for the EL meter for trouble.
Could be:
Shorted capacitor
Open diode
Short or open via other means.
MAKE SURE THIS IS UNPLUGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Use an Ohmmeter to look for capacitors that aren't open (Should look close to it, at least the values in the circut. Electrolytics are a different story...) Look for open diodes. Meter anything reasonably accessable, starting from the wiper on VR2 on the back panel. Some things are best looked at with respect to ground, others point to point reading the components in between.
DANGER!!! DANGER!!!! DANGER!!!
This part of the test requires making power on voltage measurements. Here be dragons, or a trip to your eternal reward!!!
Locate L2 and L4. Those components (each in their seperate circuit) form the power supplies (rails) for the EL op amp. See C1 (the
voltage
output) next to L2? C2 likewise next to L4?
Check the pins 8(C1) with respect to ground and 4(C2) of Q4. These
are
the power supply rails (should be +/- 12 volts or so).
Before plugging it in to test, make sure no bare wires are touching things they should not be.
Plug it in (you did leave the power switch on, didn't you??). Test away. UNPLUG IT AS SOON AS YOU'RE DONE!!!!
Have fun and don't break anything. A fire here is a failure.
Norm n3ykf
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 5:56 PM, Albert van Deursen avdeur@home.nl wrote:
Hi all,
All of a sudden the elevation meter stopped working of my Yaesu
G-5500 rotor
controller unit .
No issue with the AZ meter. Rotor itself keeps on steering /
working
without any problem in EL &AZ (via interface EA4TX ARS-USB) so all
still
working fine (fortunately !) for satellite work.
Looks like a component failure in the controller unit or the meter
itself ?
A physical check (opening the controller unit) didn't show any
anomaly.
Being a not too tech ham was wondering if any of you Yaesu rotor
users had
seen this problem before / around ?
Possibly anyone to hint/ indicate at a quick check in the schematic
wire
diagram to where to start looking for this failure ?
Thanks beforehand for yr appreciated advice
73
Albert
PD0OXW
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to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership.
Opinions expressed
are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official
views
of AMSAT-NA.
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