Well my point exactly. Somebody a while back jokingly put the concept out to tape 2 woxoun ht's together, mount 2 antennas on some solar panels and throw the thing out the window ...
I mean just think about it for a second: : take a 2 U cubesat frame, put the guts of 2 HT's in there, together with a battery and some charging electronics, mount antennas and of you go ? Do we really _need_ remote command capability ? Or telemetry and all the software ? Onboard scheduling ? Or would a simple homebrew-repeater-in-space do ? I think the only intelligence you really need is
in the battery charger. Ok, it might become unpredictable if and when the thing is switched on, based on low battery levels .. so what ? If its there I work it, otherwise I wait for the next pass. Just make sure it is smart enough to bridge batteries with a short.
I mean the concepts of Fox & friends and great. But I think we are at the 'less is more' point. I think many of us would prefer a simple-and-dirty fm repeating sat which is actually flying, rather then all the great plans and concepts which take years and many many dollars to complete. ARISSAT was great, that the antenna was missing not our fault. Cant we put another ARISSAT in cubesat format together rather quickly, instead of re-inventing the wheel over and over again ? Its a bit like letting a kid starve to death because you don't have the resources to cook a gourmet meal. Guess what, a simple ham-and-cheese sandwich will do.
Andreas - VK4HHH
________________________________ From: Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com To: Andy Kellner hawat1@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 9 cubesats on board Vega
How many cubesats does the Amateur Radio community have ready for launch - not talking, planning or thinking about about building but actually ready to go ?
73 W9KE tom ...
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Andy Kellner hawat1@yahoo.com wrote:
I'll be darned. 9 (nine!) cubesats on board of this launch vehicle and the whole world wide amateur radio community has major problems finding somebody to launch 1 every 5 years ?
Whats wrong with this picture ? I would like to find out why ESA for example has no problems launching the cubesats by the dozend (for free i bet you), but refuse to carry just one for us. Does somebody has ESA's email address ? :) Is it really all about the educational aspect of things ? We can use that sales pitch, too.
Andreas - VK4HHH
From: Trevor . m5aka@yahoo.co.uk To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 9:56 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: LARES To Test Einstein's Theory
--- On Thu, 8/12/11, Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net wrote:
can't we squeeze a little bird in there?
They'll be some CubeSat's on the launch I believe going into a 1500 by 300 km orbit see
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Education/SEM3N03MDAF_0.html
73 Trevor M5AKA
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Andy Kellner hawat1@yahoo.com wrote:
Well my point exactly. Somebody a while back jokingly put the concept out to tape 2 woxoun ht's together, mount 2 antennas on some solar panels and throw the thing out the window ...
I mean just think about it for a second: : take a 2 U cubesat frame, put the guts of 2 HT's in there, together with a battery and some charging electronics, mount antennas and of you go ? Do we really _need_ remote command capability ? Or telemetry and all the software ? Onboard scheduling ? Or would a simple homebrew-repeater-in-space do ? I think the only intelligence you really need is
in the battery charger. Ok, it might become unpredictable if and when the thing is switched on, based on low battery levels .. so what ? If its there I work it, otherwise I wait for the next pass. Just make sure it is smart enough to bridge batteries with a short.
Andy --
I appreciate your 'straw man' argument above. Let me respond to the challenge it makes in what I hope you will take as a friendly manner.
First, I do believe there are international obligations to make any satellite respond to commands, most importantly to switch 'off'. Second, since the earliest, most basic, satellites only entailed telemetry (and today's most basic satellites do the same), I don't think one can claim that transmitting telemetry is the burden of complexity that you suggest.
The largest part of your argument suggest that there are off-the-shelf opportunities that we are not exploiting. But remember that space is a very different environment than that for which woxoun engineers their HTs. How would the final amplifier in that HT keep cool without any air to draw away heat? How would the entire PCB act in a vacuum? Would it survive the shaking that takes place during launch? Would it consume power so excessively that two of them would never be sustained by the solar power available? And then there is all the circuitry that you would have to develop to ensure that the batteries are charged in such a manner as to ensure a long life. It, too, would have to be tested in the manner I described above.
Your argument also sneaks in a bit of a twist: perhaps because you know that the HTs will be a tight fit, you stipulate a 2U cubesat design. Fox is 1U. This matters greatly due to the current economics of spaceflight. The bad news is, we no longer seem to get a free lunch. The good news is that, if we can be satisfied with a very, very small volume and weight, for the first time in history, we can buy a launch for that very small volume and weight, on the order of $100,000 for 10cm^3 and 1kg. But since we aren't getting anything for free, the next 10cm^3, your 2U bird, has a launch cost of on the order of $200,000.
What we need, then, is some sort of miracle of miniaturization, whereby a transponder (perferably not just FM, but SSB/CW, too) could be shrunk and made to sip power far more abstemiously than ever before. Behold: the software defined transponder. A huge step in this field, and darn it all if OUR ORGANIZATION hasn't made it happen. Listen to ARISSAT1's downlink: FM, transponded SSB/CW and telemetry all generated by one SDX module. If you are lucky enough to hear your own signal or make a short QSO, well, you've taken part in history.
I mean the concepts of Fox & friends and great. But I think we are at the 'less is more' point. I think many of us would prefer a simple-and-dirty fm repeating sat which is actually flying, rather then all the great plans and concepts which take years and many many dollars to complete. ARISSAT was great, that the antenna was missing not our fault. Cant we put another ARISSAT in cubesat format together rather quickly, instead of re-inventing the wheel over and over again ? Its a bit like letting a kid starve to death because you don't have the resources to cook a gourmet meal. Guess what, a simple ham-and-cheese sandwich will do.
Here's the great news, Andy. Fox1 basically *is* ARISSAT in 1U format, with respect to the tricky stuff that you have concerns about. As an amateur organization, we have cracked the SDX nut, and up there, right now, is a bird with essentially the firmware necessary for Fox1 to work. You advocate off-the-shelf components; in a sense, FOX1 and 2 will be built from them, but it will be our own shelf, with our own components, ready to go.
Moreover, with this know-how we now can partner with other cubesat projects of which there are likely to be many in the future, perhaps providing our know-how in exchange for a transponder function once the bird finishes its primary mission. (For now, due to ITAR, this would be within the US, but perhaps ITAR will be made more reasonable in the coming years.)
To my mind, AMSAT has a very exciting and achievable set of goals that will involve launching amateur communication satellites that are innovative, (relatively) inexpensive, replaceable, and potentially reconfigurable. The fun is just starting!
73, Bruce VE9QRP
Andreas - VK4HHH
From: Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1948@gmail.com To: Andy Kellner hawat1@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, 9 December 2011 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] 9 cubesats on board Vega
How many cubesats does the Amateur Radio community have ready for launch - not talking, planning or thinking about about building but actually ready to go ?
73 W9KE tom ...
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Andy Kellner hawat1@yahoo.com wrote:
I'll be darned. 9 (nine!) cubesats on board of this launch vehicle and the whole world wide amateur radio community has major problems finding somebody to launch 1 every 5 years ?
Whats wrong with this picture ? I would like to find out why ESA for example has no problems launching the cubesats by the dozend (for free i bet you), but refuse to carry just one for us. Does somebody has ESA's email address ? :) Is it really all about the educational aspect of things ? We can use that sales pitch, too.
Andreas - VK4HHH
From: Trevor . m5aka@yahoo.co.uk To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, 8 December 2011 9:56 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: LARES To Test Einstein's Theory
--- On Thu, 8/12/11, Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net wrote:
can't we squeeze a little bird in there?
They'll be some CubeSat's on the launch I believe going into a 1500 by 300 km orbit see
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Education/SEM3N03MDAF_0.html
73 Trevor M5AKA
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Hi, Andy!
On 8-Dec-2011, at 10:47 AM, Andy Kellner wrote:
Do we really _need_ remote command capability ?
Absolutely required is the capability of turning off the transmitter. See RR 22.1 and RR 25.11.
RR 22.1 Space stations shall be fitted with devices to ensure immediate cessation of their radio emissions by telecommand, whenever such cessation is required under the provisions of these Regulations.
RR 25.11 Administrations authorizing space stations in the amateur-satellite service shall ensure that sufficient earth command stations are established before launch to ensure that any harmful interference caused by emissions from a station in the amateur-satellite service can be terminated immediately (see No. 22.1).
I hope this helps.
73, art….. W4ART/5 Houston TX
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Having been a member of the list since the early 90's, I have seen my share of the same name calling, finger pointing etc. When AO-40 ceased operations, there was finger pointing as to who was responsible for what and who did what. This went on for weeks and weeks. There have been many more instances of this.
We have always had problems with let's say one person being negative and starting a flame thread going. What makes this list unique is that it is not moderated and everyone can voice their opinion.
How would you feel if you posted a message to the list and you used a word in it that the moderator felt was not appropriate for the list and your message was bounced? It puts a tremendous amount of work and responsibility on the moderator. He cannot do it alone so you will have multiple moderators. Now, you have several people all of which will be interpreting the rules a different way. We see this in the court room on a daily basis. One guy robs a bank and gets 5 years another does it and gets 2. One is caught DWI and gets probation another gets 2 years. This is how our messages will be interpreted and this is probably worse than us being able to filter what we want when we want.
When a thread does not meet my standards, I filter the thread to the junk bin and if there is someone that is continuously wreaking havoc, I filter them out. I have total control of what I read and see. And, as some have done over the years including board members, unsubscribe. These are all choices that are available to you and none of them needs or requires a list moderator.
73...bruce
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I like the list the way it is. When someone starts a negative thread they usually end up making an ass out of themselves, and then go away. In these lean times this un moderated list is a good test of sat op character :-)
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:41 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
Having been a member of the list since the early 90's, I have seen my share of the same name calling, finger pointing etc. When AO-40 ceased operations, there was finger pointing as to who was responsible for what and who did what. This went on for weeks and weeks. There have been many more instances of this.
We have always had problems with let's say one person being negative and starting a flame thread going. What makes this list unique is that it is not
moderated and everyone can voice their opinion.
How would you feel if you posted a message to the list and you used a word in it that the moderator felt was not appropriate for the list and your message was bounced? It puts a tremendous amount of work and responsibility on the moderator. He cannot do it alone so you will have multiple moderators. Now, you have several people all of which will be interpreting the rules a different way. We see this in the court room on a daily basis. One guy robs a bank and gets 5 years another does it and gets 2. One is caught DWI and gets probation another gets 2 years. This is how our messages will be interpreted and this is probably worse than us being able to filter what we want when we want.
When a thread does not meet my standards, I filter the thread to the junk bin and if there is someone that is continuously wreaking havoc, I filter them out. I have total control of what I read and see. And, as some have done over the
years including board members, unsubscribe. These are all choices that are available to you and none of them needs or requires a list moderator.
73...bruce
________________________________ From: "normn3ykf@stny.rr.com" normn3ykf@stny.rr.com To: "amsat-bb@amsat.org" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Fri, December 9, 2011 3:33:44 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] moderated list
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
-----Original Message----- From: Dee [mailto:Morsesat@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 12:04 PM To: 'Bruce' Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
I get so much info here that it would cut off avenues for information that we may or may NOT hear about. Moderated has its limitations that give an indication that deaf ears to certain areas do not have a point. (Delete buttons work the same on ALL computers!) I believe that the whole idea to anyone's doubts is that we seem to have hit a low point in satellite construction and deployment because of the economic times, getting rougher in the near future. As to those that ask "where to donate?" it is your choice to support the kinds of satellites that you want to have in orbit. I think that the amount of posts equals the enthusiasm in the satellite community. Questions are a good source of discussion. We Google for information that sometimes isn't there. Answers should come from our AMSAT groups but their hands are tied with ITAR and political issues internal to the groups. If you recall, VOLUNTEERS are those that we rely on from day to day operations. Step up to the plate and use your talents where they will add to efforts of the few. Then, find out what time you have left to write about the information you need to disburse to fellow AMSAT members. 73, Dee, NB2F
-----Original Message----- From: amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:41 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: moderated list
Having been a member of the list since the early 90's, I have seen my share of the same name calling, finger pointing etc. When AO-40 ceased operations, there was finger pointing as to who was responsible for what and who did what. This went on for weeks and weeks. There have been many more instances of this.
We have always had problems with let's say one person being negative and starting a flame thread going. What makes this list unique is that it is not moderated and everyone can voice their opinion.
How would you feel if you posted a message to the list and you used a word in it that the moderator felt was not appropriate for the list and your message was bounced? It puts a tremendous amount of work and responsibility on the moderator. He cannot do it alone so you will have multiple moderators. Now, you have several people all of which will be interpreting the rules a different way. We see this in the court room on a daily basis. One guy robs a bank and gets 5 years another does it and gets 2. One is caught DWI and gets probation another gets 2 years. This is how our messages will be interpreted and this is probably worse than us being able to filter what we want when we want.
When a thread does not meet my standards, I filter the thread to the junk bin and if there is someone that is continuously wreaking havoc, I filter them out. I have total control of what I read and see. And, as some have done over the years including board members, unsubscribe. These are all choices that are available to you and none of them needs or requires a list moderator.
73...bruce
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Has anyone had a SatPC32 problem where the program opens in a window off screen. I'm stuck here and none of the standard window fixes to bring the window back onscreen I goggled up work. I need to know where SatPC32 stores it's startup window information, somehow it must of got clobbered. I'm running XP...
Hi Jeff, if you have at least a part of the program window on the screen move it back with the mouse to the position you want. Then close the program from the menu "File", "Quit". That will save the last screen position. Closing the program with the "x" control will not.
If the window is completely off the screen, change the two first entries in the text file "SatPos.SQF" in the SatPC32 DATA folder, for example set both values to 0. The window will then be positioned in the uppler left corner of the screen.
The data folder is hidden by default. So, make all files and folders visible (Explorer- Tools - Folder Options - View). The path of the folder depends on the OS, under XP it is C:\Documents and Settings\Username \AppData\SatPC32, under Vista and Windows 7 it is C:\User\Username\AppData\Roaming\SatPC32.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff KB2M" kb2m@comcast.net To: "'Amsat BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 11:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Has anyone had a SatPC32 problem where the program opens in a window off screen. I'm stuck here and none of the standard window fixes to bring the window back onscreen I goggled up work. I need to know where SatPC32 stores it's startup window information, somehow it must of got clobbered. I'm running XP...
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First , as I was very tired last night from working at finishing up my newly finished basement shack I neglected to mention I didn't have the problem will all SatPC32 configurations, the program was behaving properly with configuration 1. I avoided this issue for at least a year until now, as I had to add another radio. I did a search for all occurrences' of SatPos.SQF I found the offending file, did an edit, but the edit wouldn't stick as I couldn't quit the program properly(with a proper quit) as the SatPC32 window was still off screen. What I figured out I had to do, was change the SatPC32 shortcut start properties to start maximized. After the program came up, I then saved it with a quit. Then changed startup properties back to a normal window. Then restarted SatPC32 and positioned the window where I wanted it to startup and then did another quit. I had to do this for configurations 2, 3, and 4. I'm running XP , never configured a second monitor, I have no idea how this happened. Thanks for all the help. All is once again good in KB2M sat op land :-)
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Erich Eichmann [mailto:erich.eichmann@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:49 AM To: Jeff KB2M Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Hi Jeff, if you have at least a part of the program window on the screen move it back
with the mouse to the position you want. Then close the program from the menu "File", "Quit". That will save the last screen position. Closing the program with the "x" control will not.
If the window is completely off the screen, change the two first entries in the text file "SatPos.SQF" in the SatPC32 DATA folder, for example set both values to 0. The window will then be positioned in the uppler left corner of
the screen.
The data folder is hidden by default. So, make all files and folders visible
(Explorer- Tools - Folder Options - View). The path of the folder depends on
the OS, under XP it is C:\Documents and Settings\Username \AppData\SatPC32, under Vista and Windows 7 it is C:\User\Username\AppData\Roaming\SatPC32.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff KB2M" kb2m@comcast.net To: "'Amsat BB'" amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 11:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Has anyone had a SatPC32 problem where the program opens in a window off screen. I'm stuck here and none of the standard window fixes to bring the window back onscreen I goggled up work. I need to know where SatPC32 stores it's startup window information, somehow it must of got clobbered. I'm running XP...
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When a window is off screen, it is possible to "move" that window on screen by right clicking it in the task bar, selecting move, and then holding down the appropriate "left" or "right" arrow keys to move it on the display. Try it some time to see how it works and then you'll be ready for the moment.
Gregg Wonderly W5GGW
On 12/10/2011 9:09 AM, Jeff KB2M wrote:
First , as I was very tired last night from working at finishing up my newly finished basement shack I neglected to mention I didn't have the problem will all SatPC32 configurations, the program was behaving properly with configuration 1. I avoided this issue for at least a year until now, as I had to add another radio. I did a search for all occurrences' of SatPos.SQF I found the offending file, did an edit, but the edit wouldn't stick as I couldn't quit the program properly(with a proper quit) as the SatPC32 window was still off screen. What I figured out I had to do, was change the SatPC32 shortcut start properties to start maximized. After the program came up, I then saved it with a quit. Then changed startup properties back to a normal window. Then restarted SatPC32 and positioned the window where I wanted it to startup and then did another quit. I had to do this for configurations 2, 3, and 4. I'm running XP , never configured a second monitor, I have no idea how this happened. Thanks for all the help. All is once again good in KB2M sat op land :-)
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Erich Eichmann [mailto:erich.eichmann@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:49 AM To: Jeff KB2M Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Hi Jeff, if you have at least a part of the program window on the screen move it back
with the mouse to the position you want. Then close the program from the menu "File", "Quit". That will save the last screen position. Closing the program with the "x" control will not.
If the window is completely off the screen, change the two first entries in the text file "SatPos.SQF" in the SatPC32 DATA folder, for example set both values to 0. The window will then be positioned in the uppler left corner of
the screen.
The data folder is hidden by default. So, make all files and folders visible
(Explorer- Tools - Folder Options - View). The path of the folder depends on
the OS, under XP it is C:\Documents and Settings\Username \AppData\SatPC32, under Vista and Windows 7 it is C:\User\Username\AppData\Roaming\SatPC32.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff KB2M"kb2m@comcast.net To: "'Amsat BB'"amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 11:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Has anyone had a SatPC32 problem where the program opens in a window off screen. I'm stuck here and none of the standard window fixes to bring the window back onscreen I goggled up work. I need to know where SatPC32 stores it's startup window information, somehow it must of got clobbered. I'm running XP...
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The problem was that the window was off screen AND the move option wasn't available, all that was available was minimize, or x close. Try right clicking on the satps32 in the taskbar, then try an alt space bar. The observer two window comes up with the move option, and that is what will move :-). Like I said none of the normal window fixes worked, or were available. What I did fixed the problem, and also after I sent my last post I had to chuckle as what Erich said would of course worked if executed before I loaded SatPC32...
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Gregg Wonderly [mailto:w5ggw@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:18 PM To: Jeff KB2M Cc: 'Erich Eichmann'; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: SatPS32 off screen window
When a window is off screen, it is possible to "move" that window on screen by right clicking it in the task bar, selecting move, and then holding down the
appropriate "left" or "right" arrow keys to move it on the display. Try it some time to see how it works and then you'll be ready for the moment.
Gregg Wonderly W5GGW
On 12/10/2011 9:09 AM, Jeff KB2M wrote:
First , as I was very tired last night from working at finishing up my newly finished basement shack I neglected to mention I didn't have the problem will all SatPC32 configurations, the program was behaving
properly
with configuration 1. I avoided this issue for at least a year until now,
as
I had to add another radio. I did a search for all occurrences' of SatPos.SQF I found the offending file, did an edit, but the edit wouldn't stick as I couldn't quit the program properly(with a proper quit) as the SatPC32 window was still off screen. What I figured out I had to do, was change the SatPC32 shortcut start properties to start maximized. After the program came up, I then
saved
it with a quit. Then changed startup properties back to a normal window. Then restarted SatPC32 and positioned the window where I wanted it to startup and then did another quit. I had to do this for configurations 2,
3,
and 4. I'm running XP , never configured a second monitor, I have no idea how this happened. Thanks for all the help. All is once again good in KB2M sat op land :-)
73 Jeff kb2m
-----Original Message----- From: Erich Eichmann [mailto:erich.eichmann@t-online.de] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:49 AM To: Jeff KB2M Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Hi Jeff, if you have at least a part of the program window on the screen move it
back
with the mouse to the position you want. Then close the program from the menu "File", "Quit". That will save the last screen position. Closing the program with the "x" control will not.
If the window is completely off the screen, change the two first entries
in
the text file "SatPos.SQF" in the SatPC32 DATA folder, for example set
both
values to 0. The window will then be positioned in the uppler left corner
of
the screen.
The data folder is hidden by default. So, make all files and folders
visible
(Explorer- Tools - Folder Options - View). The path of the folder depends
on
the OS, under XP it is C:\Documents and Settings\Username
\AppData\SatPC32,
under Vista and Windows 7 it is C:\User\Username\AppData\Roaming\SatPC32.
73s, Erich, DK1TB
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff KB2M"kb2m@comcast.net To: "'Amsat BB'"amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 11:59 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] SatPS32 off screen window
Has anyone had a SatPC32 problem where the program opens in a window off screen. I'm stuck here and none of the standard window fixes to bring the window back onscreen I goggled up work. I need to know where SatPC32 stores it's startup window information, somehow it must of got clobbered. I'm running XP...
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 04:33:44 -0500 From: normn3ykf@stny.rr.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] moderated list
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Self moderation should be good, like not posting other peoples "personal" emails, politics, religion, things of that nature that we also try to keep off the air should be also kept off here.
Anyone wants to talk about it please feel free to send me a "personal" email and I am sure we can exchange our opinions.
Kevin KF7MYK
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Not really... it only hides the truth. Unfortunately it reveals what and who we have to work around.
In any voluntary endeavor such as ham radio, those that can contribute something positive do (not just snide comments) or are quiet and get out of the way so that others with the time, energy, or skills, or position can actually make progress in some positive direction can move forward despite all of these monkeys hanging on their backs and bitting at their ankles.
Nothing beneficial EVER comes from BS, Opinions, snide remarks, or complaining against what OTHERS are doing. They are the ones doing something, these BS arm-chair complainers just get in the way.
Email is a necessary evil so that those that are moving forward can communicate and spread the word.
Bob, WB4APR
On Dec 9, 2011, at 2:33 AM, normn3ykf@stny.rr.com wrote:
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Nope.
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 4:33:44 -0500 normn3ykf@stny.rr.com wrote:
Anyone else feel the need for a moderated list?
Well, with the odd exception the list seems to be largely spam-free. I don't see why we need to fix a problem that doesn't really exist.
Oh, were you talking about "moderating" discussions you don't like? Yeah, there's another word for that. Can't quite remember it, it's on the tip of my tongue.
And all you lids, kids and space cadets can get off my Internet.
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