Does anyone have any success in mode A? If so what type of 10m antenna?
Kevin KF7MYK
I use a 4 element quad...HOWEVER.. it receives 29.45mhz better off the back as the reflector acts as a director at that frequency, it is cut for much lower in the band 73 Bob W7LRD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Deane" summit496@live.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 4:10:02 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode A
Does anyone have any success in mode A? If so what type of 10m antenna?
Kevin KF7MYK
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I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work. Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well! 73, Bob K8BL
________________________________ From: Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net To: Kevin Deane summit496@live.com Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 9:03 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
I use a 4 element quad...HOWEVER.. it receives 29.45mhz better off the back as the reflector acts as a director at that frequency, it is cut for much lower in the band 73 Bob W7LRD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Deane" summit496@live.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, November 5, 2013 4:10:02 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] AO-7 Mode A
Does anyone have any success in mode A? If so what type of 10m antenna?
Kevin KF7MYK
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At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
When I started, I had a hand me down beat up yaesu ft-221R 2m all mode with an old cb mic with a mag mount antenna and a realistic 10m all mode radio that didn’t transmit and a dipole but almost everyday I was either listening to or working someone on RS-10…. ahhhh the life…. it was so good with those russian leo sats, all you needed was a tickle of a signal to work some folks, now today with a TS-2000LE with 23cm, all I see is that fm sats are always clobbered by over-powered users and transponder HOGS, no room to even try to make a contact, what with everyone in my area trying to over-power each other to have control of what little transponder room there is. What a person wouldn’t give for an “A” mode bird or 2 again…. sure do miss those RS birds, they were so much fun…
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfiscus@mcn.net wrote:
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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my 2 cents...back in the day I had a one wavelength loop looking up, I later added a reflector below it, hence a two element round quad looking up, it was some wire inside some pvc pipe. I would start with a quad beam at low elevation then switch to the "vertical" round quad when the satellite was higher. This was super for RS-15. I wrote an article for the journal years ago about it. 73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message ----- From: "John" npacificmariner@gmail.com To: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" vlfiscus@mcn.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:15:22 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
When I started, I had a hand me down beat up yaesu ft-221R 2m all mode with an old cb mic with a mag mount antenna and a realistic 10m all mode radio that didn’t transmit and a dipole but almost everyday I was either listening to or working someone on RS-10…. ahhhh the life…. it was so good with those russian leo sats, all you needed was a tickle of a signal to work some folks, now today with a TS-2000LE with 23cm, all I see is that fm sats are always clobbered by over-powered users and transponder HOGS, no room to even try to make a contact, what with everyone in my area trying to over-power each other to have control of what little transponder room there is. What a person wouldn’t give for an “A” mode bird or 2 again…. sure do miss those RS birds, they were so much fun…
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfiscus@mcn.net wrote:
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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Name Mode(s) Frequencies Beacon(s) AO-10* B Uplink 435.030 - 435.180 CW/LSB Downlink 145.975 - 145.825 CW/USB 145.810 CW RS-10/11* A Uplink 145.865 - 145.905 CW/USB Downlink 29.360 - 29.400 CW/USB 29.357 CW RS-12/13 KT K T Uplink 21.210 - 21.250 CW/USB Downlink 29.410 - 29.450 CW/USB Downlink 145.910 - 145.950 CW/USB 29.408 CW 145.908 CW RS-15* A Uplink 145.858 - 145.898 CW/USB Downlink 29.354 - 29.394 CW/USB 29.3525 CW 29.3987 CW RS-16* A Uplink 145.915 - 145.948 CW/USB Downlink 29.415 - 29.448 CW/USB 435.504 CW 435.548 CW 29.408 CW 29.451 CW FO-20 JA Uplink 146.000 - 145.900 CW/LSB Downlink 435.800 - 435.900 CW/USB 435.795 CW AO-27* J-FM Uplink 145.850 FM Downlink 436.800 FM None FO-29* JA Uplink 146.000 - 145.900 CW/LSB Downlink 435.800 - 435.900 CW/USB 435.795 CW MIR Simplex N/A Uplink 145.200 FM Downlink 145.800 FM SAFEX Repeater (Mir)* N/A Uplink 435.750 FM subaudible tone 141.3 Downlink 437.950 FM None SAREX Simplex (Space Shuttle)* N/A Uplink 144.910, 144.93, 144.95 144.97 or 144.99 FM (Europe Only) Uplink 144.70, 144.75, or 144.80 MHz (Worldwide) Downlink 145.55 FM None
For reasons I cannot think of, for years I had this stored on my computer and this morning I found it and thought I would share it for sentimental reasons with you all…. These were fun times… we all sure had a good time back then, and I think that we still can, this weekend I am going out to repair my 2m and 432 antennas and am going to again try to be on the ssb transponders if anyone wants to have a go….
On Nov 6, 2013, at 21:52, Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net wrote:
my 2 cents...back in the day I had a one wavelength loop looking up, I later added a reflector below it, hence a two element round quad looking up, it was some wire inside some pvc pipe. I would start with a quad beam at low elevation then switch to the "vertical" round quad when the satellite was higher. This was super for RS-15. I wrote an article for the journal years ago about it. 73 Bob W7LRD
From: "John" npacificmariner@gmail.com To: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" vlfiscus@mcn.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:15:22 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
When I started, I had a hand me down beat up yaesu ft-221R 2m all mode with an old cb mic with a mag mount antenna and a realistic 10m all mode radio that didn’t transmit and a dipole but almost everyday I was either listening to or working someone on RS-10…. ahhhh the life…. it was so good with those russian leo sats, all you needed was a tickle of a signal to work some folks, now today with a TS-2000LE with 23cm, all I see is that fm sats are always clobbered by over-powered users and transponder HOGS, no room to even try to make a contact, what with everyone in my area trying to over-power each other to have control of what little transponder room there is. What a person wouldn’t give for an “A” mode bird or 2 again…. sure do miss those RS birds, they were so much fun…
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfiscus@mcn.net wrote:
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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John VE7JZ, Oh yeah, those were fun times on those various Modes. It was funny sometimes on Mode K when a station on 15M would try responding directly on 15M instead of via the 10M Uplink! That was a strange Mode, but I worked several Countries that way that you cannot do with any Sat or Mode now. The Russians did a great job with those RS Birds. There were strong signals and fun Modes and simple radios and simple antennas. Not the case these days. I remember leaving my XCVR on the 10M Beacon Freq in the Shack and doing things in another part of the house. When I heard it come on, I'd go down to the radio and work a half dozen stations per pass. With simple vertical antennas on 2M & 10M there was no worry about aiming, tracking, etc. You just got on and worked what you heard. 73, Bob K8BL
________________________________ From: Owner npacificmariner@gmail.com To: Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2013 10:38 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
Name Mode(s) Frequencies Beacon(s) AO-10* B Uplink 435.030 - 435.180 CW/LSB Downlink 145.975 - 145.825 CW/USB 145.810 CW RS-10/11* A Uplink 145.865 - 145.905 CW/USB Downlink 29.360 - 29.400 CW/USB 29.357 CW RS-12/13 KT K T Uplink 21.210 - 21.250 CW/USB Downlink 29.410 - 29.450 CW/USB Downlink 145.910 - 145.950 CW/USB 29.408 CW 145.908 CW RS-15* A Uplink 145.858 - 145.898 CW/USB Downlink 29.354 - 29.394 CW/USB 29.3525 CW 29.3987 CW RS-16* A Uplink 145.915 - 145.948 CW/USB Downlink 29.415 - 29.448 CW/USB 435.504 CW 435.548 CW 29.408 CW 29.451 CW FO-20 JA Uplink 146.000 - 145.900 CW/LSB Downlink 435.800 - 435.900 CW/USB 435.795 CW AO-27* J-FM Uplink 145.850 FM Downlink 436.800 FM None FO-29* JA Uplink 146.000 - 145.900 CW/LSB Downlink 435.800 - 435.900 CW/USB 435.795 CW MIR Simplex N/A Uplink 145.200 FM Downlink 145.800 FM SAFEX Repeater (Mir)* N/A Uplink 435.750 FM subaudible tone 141.3 Downlink 437.950 FM None SAREX Simplex (Space Shuttle)* N/A Uplink 144.910, 144.93, 144.95 144.97 or 144.99 FM (Europe Only) Uplink 144.70, 144.75, or 144.80 MHz (Worldwide) Downlink 145.55 FM None
For reasons I cannot think of, for years I had this stored on my computer and this morning I found it and thought I would share it for sentimental reasons with you all…. These were fun times… we all sure had a good time back then, and I think that we still can, this weekend I am going out to repair my 2m and 432 antennas and am going to again try to be on the ssb transponders if anyone wants to have a go….
On Nov 6, 2013, at 21:52, Bob- W7LRD w7lrd@comcast.net wrote:
my 2 cents...back in the day I had a one wavelength loop looking up, I later added a reflector below it, hence a two element round quad looking up, it was some wire inside some pvc pipe. I would start with a quad beam at low elevation then switch to the "vertical" round quad when the satellite was higher. This was super for RS-15. I wrote an article for the journal years ago about it. 73 Bob W7LRD
From: "John" npacificmariner@gmail.com To: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" vlfiscus@mcn.net Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:15:22 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
When I started, I had a hand me down beat up yaesu ft-221R 2m all mode with an old cb mic with a mag mount antenna and a realistic 10m all mode radio that didn’t transmit and a dipole but almost everyday I was either listening to or working someone on RS-10…. ahhhh the life…. it was so good with those russian leo sats, all you needed was a tickle of a signal to work some folks, now today with a TS-2000LE with 23cm, all I see is that fm sats are always clobbered by over-powered users and transponder HOGS, no room to even try to make a contact, what with everyone in my area trying to over-power each other to have control of what little transponder room there is. What a person wouldn’t give for an “A” mode bird or 2 again…. sure do miss those RS birds, they were so much fun…
On Nov 6, 2013, at 7:51, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfiscus@mcn.net wrote:
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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Yep Mode A was fun .... that's where a lot of us got our start .... back then more folks had HF rigs and 2M SSB rigs were easier to come by (even for a poor college student like me) .... now I think the landscape has changed a bit .... VHF/UHF radios are in much shorter supply and I don't think HF rigs are as commonly owned either (my opinion I could be wrong)
I'm still in shock that SAREX 1 was 30 years ago .... DAM I don't feel THAT OLD.
I'm sooo looking forward to the new linear transponder birds .....
de KA2PBT
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL vlfiscus@mcn.netwrote:
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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Whenever I've talked about Mode A at the AMSAT Booth at the Dayton Hamvention, all I've ever gotten was rolled eyes and/or total lack of interest. They seem to like orbiting FM Repeaters and modes/frequencies that few people are equipped for. With the old RS Mode A Birds, you could do pretty well with a 10M GP and a Ringo Ranger. IMHO...... 73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT since 1979)
________________________________ From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" vlfiscus@mcn.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:51 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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I haven't been on A07 for a while. But, back in the "goode olde dayes", I used a horizontal 2-element 10-meter yagi with a 7-element 2-meter beam fixed 30-degrees above the horizon. That worked VERY well! Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:28 AM, R.T.Liddy k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
Whenever I've talked about Mode A at the AMSAT Booth at the Dayton Hamvention, all I've ever gotten was rolled eyes and/or total lack of interest. They seem to like orbiting FM Repeaters and modes/frequencies that few people are equipped for. With the old RS Mode A Birds, you could do pretty well with a 10M GP and a Ringo Ranger. IMHO...... 73, Bob K8BL (AMSAT since 1979)
________________________________ From: "Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL" vlfiscus@mcn.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 10:51 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
At 06:48 PM 11/5/2013 -0800, "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net wrote:
I've tried AO7-A a number of times, but there's never anyone there to work.
Back in the glory days of the RS Birds, Mode A was very active. I sure do miss them. They worked very well!
73, Bob K8BL
I loved the RS satellites. They're what got me hooked. I wish the plan for the next LEO was a new linear mode Mode A bird for a starter satellite not another FM 'Grid-Lock' sat.
KB7ADL
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My first mode A contacts were with a 10-meter wire dipole in my garage attic, and a homebrew 2-meter turnstile antenna on a tripod in my driveway. Rig was a set of Drake B-line twins with the TC-2 transmit converter... 100% hollow-state!
George, KA3HSW
----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Zook" gzook@yahoo.com To: "R.T.Liddy" k8bl@ameritech.net; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:17 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: AO-7 Mode A
I haven't been on A07 for a while. But, back in the "goode olde dayes", I used a horizontal 2-element 10-meter yagi with a 7-element 2-meter beam fixed 30-degrees above the horizon. That worked VERY well!
Glen, K9STH
Website: http://k9sth.com
Use what you have to begin with!
I made one QSO via Mode A with AC0RA back in September using a just a one meter diameter AlexLoop Walkham Portable Magnetic Loop on the downlink. One thing to remember is that the receiver on Mode A is not as sensitive as Mode B, so you need higher EIRP than on Mode B, probably around 100 watts or so, for a decent downlink signal.
Audio of the middle of the pass is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJwmIKr1BZI
Keep in mind that I'm a mile southwest of the Capitol in Washington, DC. There are lots of buildings and lots of noise sources nearby. In the middle of a lesser populated area, I bet I'd receive a pretty good signal with this antenna. The QSO occurs about the 4 minute mark of the video, with the satellite at about 60 degrees of elevation. I don't think I was pointing my Arrow high enough while fiddling with everything, but even then, with about 20-25 watts EIRP on 2 meters, the downlink signal is going to be a bit weak.
73,
Paul Stoetzer, N8HM Washington, DC
On 11/5/2013 7:10 PM, Kevin Deane wrote:
Does anyone have any success in mode A? If so what type of 10m antenna?
Kevin KF7MYK
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Vince Fiscus, KB7ADL