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I am trying to get back into working Satellites again after a hiatus of about 7 years. In trying to catch up, difficult to sort out the current landscape of what can be worked. So a couple of probably dumb questions for you guys who seem very much on top of the entire subject. - So where or how can I get a complete list of all the Sats that are currently workable with a full duplex FM HT setup? - in reading about the new CAS 4A &4B, it says they have linear transponders and it lists VHF and UHF frequencies for up & down-link. So is linear transponder a code word for SSB, can't be worked using an HT? - What exactly is a Linear Transponder?
Tnx & 73 Paul kc2nyu
Hi Paul,
The AMSAT website can provide a lot of the information thatyou need. An overview the operational satellites can be found on the AMSAT Live OSCAR Satellite Status Page(http://www.amsat.org/status/). There are hyperlinks to additional information for many of the satellites listed below the Name column on the left of the web page. Additional information and links can be found on the Communication Satellites web page (http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177)
Essentially, a linear transponder receives signals at a specific center frequency with a bandwidth of tens of kilohertz. It then retransmits them at a different center frequency with the same bandwidth, sometimes inverting the frequency band along the way. The frequency inversion helps to mitigate the effects of Doppler shift. For example, CAS-4A receives at a center frequency of 435.220 MHz with a bandwidth of 20 kHz. The signals are retransmitted at a center frequency of 145.870 MHz and the frequency band is inverted.
It is by agreement that the communication modes used to communicate through the linear transponder satellites are CW (Morse code) and SSB. This is done to conserve bandwidth usage and power utilization accorded to a particular transmission. Theoretically, you could transmit FM, or any other modulation, through a linear transponder, but you would become quite unpopular for using up the bandwidth of the transponder with an 'unacceptable' signal. You can also become unpopular for transmitting too strong a signal into the transponder, as your signal will be accorded most of the power the transponder uses to transmit, thereby reducing the power available for the other signals.
(On a soapbox for a moment: Given the proliferation of low power, narrow- bandwidth digital modes that have become available, I'd think that there should be some discussion about expanding beyond CW and SSB for use on the linear transponder satellites. End of soapbox and queue up those who disagree...)
Right now, there are effectively only two FM satellites: SO-50 and AO-85. While Lilacsat-2 has an FM repeater, it is not always available. There are a couple of FM satellites that should be launched this year, so the outlook for FM birds will be better in the future. There are also APRS digipeaters available of the ISS and NO-84, which you can communicate with using a 2M FM handheld connected to a computer, tablet, or smart phone. Some handhels have APRS capabilities built in.
I hope I've answered your questions sufficiently. Hope to hear you on the FM satellites soon!
73,
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/17/2017 08:57 AM, Paul Ecker wrote:
I am trying to get back into working Satellites again after a hiatus of about 7 years. In trying to catch up, difficult to sort out the current landscape of what can be worked. So a couple of probably dumb questions for you guys who seem very much on top of the entire subject.
- So where or how can I get a complete list of all the Sats that are
currently workable with a full duplex FM HT setup?
- in reading about the new CAS 4A &4B, it says they have linear
transponders and it lists VHF and UHF frequencies for up & down-link. So is linear transponder a code word for SSB, can't be worked using an HT?
- What exactly is a Linear Transponder?
Tnx & 73 Paul kc2nyu _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Given the proliferation of low power, narrow-bandwidth digital modes... I'd think that there should be some discussion about expanding beyond CW and SSB for use on the linear transponder satellites.
Off topic, but we are getting close to launching QIKCOM-2 which will have a DTMF uplink with APRS and voice downlink if the FCC would ever finish the filing of the API submitted back in Nov 2014.
This will let simple HT's with only a DTMF keypad participate in APRS.and two-way contacts. http://aprs.org/qikcom-2.html
We are also delivering PSAT-2 which will have the same thing, but a better voice module and a secondary payoload of a PSK31 transponder like is on PSAT. Again, only if the FCC will finish processing the API that was submitted back in 2015.
I hate to make such announcements until it is actually in space and working, but Im working 12 hour days for months trying to finish and it is working GREAT on the bench.
As some of you may remember, I have been an advocate of using DTMF for more practical communications applications for years...since EVERYONE has an HT that will do it. (except modern Baefengs - Needs a 16 digit DTMF memory to be useful) http://aprs.org/aprstt.html
Bob, WB4APR
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Mac A. Cody [email protected] wrote:
Hi Paul,
The AMSAT website can provide a lot of the information thatyou need. An overview the operational satellites can be found on the AMSAT Live OSCAR Satellite Status Page(http://www.amsat.org/status/). There are hyperlinks to additional information for many of the satellites listed below the Name column on the left of the web page. Additional information and links can be found on the Communication Satellites web page (http://www.amsat.org/?page_id=177)
Essentially, a linear transponder receives signals at a specific center frequency with a bandwidth of tens of kilohertz. It then retransmits them at a different center frequency with the same bandwidth, sometimes inverting the frequency band along the way. The frequency inversion helps to mitigate the effects of Doppler shift. For example, CAS-4A receives at a center frequency of 435.220 MHz with a bandwidth of 20 kHz. The signals are retransmitted at a center frequency of 145.870 MHz and the frequency band is inverted.
It is by agreement that the communication modes used to communicate through the linear transponder satellites are CW (Morse code) and SSB. This is done to conserve bandwidth usage and power utilization accorded to a particular transmission. Theoretically, you could transmit FM, or any other modulation, through a linear transponder, but you would become quite unpopular for using up the bandwidth of the transponder with an 'unacceptable' signal. You can also become unpopular for transmitting too strong a signal into the transponder, as your signal will be accorded most of the power the transponder uses to transmit, thereby reducing the power available for the other signals.
(On a soapbox for a moment: Given the proliferation of low power, narrow- bandwidth digital modes that have become available, I'd think that there should be some discussion about expanding beyond CW and SSB for use on the linear transponder satellites. End of soapbox and queue up those who disagree...)
Right now, there are effectively only two FM satellites: SO-50 and AO-85. While Lilacsat-2 has an FM repeater, it is not always available. There are a couple of FM satellites that should be launched this year, so the outlook for FM birds will be better in the future. There are also APRS digipeaters available of the ISS and NO-84, which you can communicate with using a 2M FM handheld connected to a computer, tablet, or smart phone. Some handhels have APRS capabilities built in.
I hope I've answered your questions sufficiently. Hope to hear you on the FM satellites soon!
73,
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/17/2017 08:57 AM, Paul Ecker wrote:
I am trying to get back into working Satellites again after a hiatus of about 7 years. In trying to catch up, difficult to sort out the current landscape of what can be worked. So a couple of probably dumb questions for you guys who seem very much on top of the entire subject.
- So where or how can I get a complete list of all the Sats that are
currently workable with a full duplex FM HT setup?
- in reading about the new CAS 4A &4B, it says they have linear
transponders and it lists VHF and UHF frequencies for up & down-link. So is linear transponder a code word for SSB, can't be worked using an HT?
- What exactly is a Linear Transponder?
Tnx & 73 Paul kc2nyu _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Additional info on FM satellites , IO-86 is also an FM bird (and also APRS), but as this bird is on an equatorial orbit, it is not as well known, only being used over part of India, Southeast Asia Countries and Brazil. Several operators in Indonesia with HT and simple Superstik antenna have successfully QSO thru the bird.
As a tertiary payload on LAPAN A2 satellite, the FM repeater module is activated only once daily as also the APRS module. Additional activation of FM module on weekends.
The full weekly schedule is posted on: http://pusteksat.lapan.go.id/subblog/pages/2017/49/Jadwal-Operasi-Satelit-LA...
I'm heading to the US visiting family in Lubbock,TX and Portland, OR. If anybody is interested I can present a talk on IO-86 Indonesia's first amateur radio satellite.
73 de Yono YD0NXX / N5SNN
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On Jun 18, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Mac A. Cody [email protected] wrote:
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Right now, there are effectively only two FM satellites: SO-50 and AO-85. While Lilacsat-2 has an FM repeater, it is not always available. There are a couple of FM satellites that should be launched this year, so the outlook for FM birds will be better in the future. There are also APRS digipeaters available of the ISS and NO-84, which you can communicate with using a 2M FM handheld connected to a computer, tablet, or smart phone. Some handhels have APRS capabilities built in.
I hope I've answered your questions sufficiently. Hope to hear you on the FM satellites soon!
73,
Mac / AE5PH
On 06/17/2017 08:57 AM, Paul Ecker wrote: I am trying to get back into working Satellites again after a hiatus of about 7 years. In trying to catch up, difficult to sort out the current landscape of what can be worked. So a couple of probably dumb questions for you guys who seem very much on top of the entire subject.
- So where or how can I get a complete list of all the Sats that are
currently workable with a full duplex FM HT setup?
- in reading about the new CAS 4A &4B, it says they have linear
transponders and it lists VHF and UHF frequencies for up & down-link. So is linear transponder a code word for SSB, can't be worked using an HT?
- What exactly is a Linear Transponder?
Tnx & 73 Paul kc2nyu _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Sent via [email protected]. AMSAT-NA makes this open forum available to all interested persons worldwide without requiring membership. Opinions expressed are solely those of the author, and do not reflect the official views of AMSAT-NA. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://www.amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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