P.S. As the power lines are the first to go down in a natural disaster is it not logiic to believe that all the S band interference will be down as well? Considerring the AMSAT-NA vissonnaires why they not put this in their calculus? thay have already all the ready to go installations for AO-40 up and running! Is it not what we are looking for in case of an emergency "easy ready to use stuff"?
Luc:
I hear what you're saying, but the case could be put the other way. I've learned a great deal on this list by discussing these things with you and others; I hope you won't mind if I present an opposing view below.
Although the vision statement and User Classes don't specify this idea, I think we have to imagine that one important use of Eagle's high bandwidth data channel during a crisis would be to provide an Internet link to emergency service providers. I've outlined this in a previous letter to this list, but I can't find it on the web, so I'll describe it again.
I believe that the best thing you can do for emergency services is to allow them to use the communication tools with which they are most familiar: email, chat, even web forms and the like. Yes, people are trained in other means, but in our day-to-day interactions, TCP/IP rules. Putting this in Luc's terms above, the 'easy to use stuff' should be easy for the emergency folks, first and foremost; and today, easy means Internet.
If that's the case, Eagle's data link could provide a pool of Internet connectivity within a striken area, allowing workers to do their thing as naturally as possible. I believe 256 kbps was the max mentioned in the recent article. A ground station with a sufficient Internet connection (perhaps one associated with an educational institution), would provide one end of the connection with a solid link to Eagle. The small dish station envisaged by the Design team, connected to a wireless laptop would provide the other end. Indeed, using a Knoppix-like boot disk, any laptop with remotely appropriate hardware could do the job. This laptop's wireless would act as a managed mode 802.11 hub. Then, our emergency workers just boot up their hardware, and they're there: emailing, using online chat, uploading photos and videos, whatever. 256 kbps could be split pretty far.
Note, however, that with this use, the station is right in the middle of the 802.11 activity. If it were unable to hear well under such circumstances, this use would not be possible. (QRM'ing the emergency 802.11 traffic isn't a problem: the link laptop would be configured to make its connections on an unaffected 802.11b/g channel.)
The world and the ham community has the right to ask us to justify our dedicated bandwidth. I think the picture above has the virtues of being both compelling and honest: I think Eagle could not only give us all a great deal of fun, but also improve some peoples' lives in hard times.
For this reason, I think we should lash up an Internet link of this sort as soon as the digital side starts to come together, put it at either end of the Dayton Hamvention, show it off at other events, play with it across town as part of the QRO 802.11 links that hams are already exploring. Our message should be this: "Eagle's mode UV will be cleaner and more fun than any P3 bird; and Eagle's emergency capabilities will be out of this world." In saying this, I do not mean to reject the well-thought out caveats and concerns expressed on this list, but I do want to register my enthusiasm for the digital vision of the Eagle series, especially as tweaked above.
Respectfully, 73,
Bruce VE9QRP
On 15 Sep 2006 at 13:12, Bruce Robertson wrote:
Luc:
I hear what you're saying, but the case could be put the other way. I've learned a great deal on this list by discussing these things with you and others; I hope you won't mind if I present an opposing view below.
It is always a pleasure to debate issues with civilities and i am glad it is coming from someone who live in the shadow of huge antenna farm where the expression QRP is not very well understood by all.
Putting this in Luc's terms as you said and putting your comments in a digest form you seems to tell that the internet will save us and our bandwidth, Can i respectfully ask you if there is not some other fast and proven communication apparatus who can do this and could be much better than a max of 256kbs available in the market today?
I still believe the highest commitment of the visionaries towards an effective way to protect life and goods in case of an emergency and as they want not to reinvent the wheel they will not surely want to duplicate in a cheap way what it is available already in FEMA, ARMY, NATIONAL GUARD RED CROSS and so on. Is it a real benefit from an overall view point to the general public that the visionaries wants to put an experimental satellite to duplicate what it is already existing?
As someone else said even if there will always a spot who is engulf in 2.4ghz interference is there is any existing other means of communication as effective than an amateur satellite to achieve reliable emergency communication?
I understand this emergency frenzy is probably driven by ARRL who put a lot of money in this direction "the big project" i think or something like that and it is not the same ARRL who fund a lot of money a couple of month ago in AMSAT-NA?
Why not doing what's the crowds wants "communicate" just that with salt and pepper added at your taste read some experimenting? I know this will cut the pitch sale of the visionaries but they can only refer to one of my suggestion and included in the AMSAT-NA membership fee a 150$ fixed amount for satellite construction and launch. No more XYZ president club just plain money to effectively address the task.
You know Bruce a guy named Mark Fields just said the business model who makes our success in north america does not work anymore. If you extend that to AMSAT-NA it is exactly what we see actually. And even if we put all our heads in the sand the new elected folks will only follow the same trend EG: spinning the dog faster after his tail,,, Putting this in Luc's terms as you said.
Respectfully, 73
P.S. QRP is not very well suitable for HEO work. You know you can change your call letter anytime you wants here. But you can choose otherwise and remain on LEO or cubes, for me i prefer HEO with enough ERP could be VE9ERP will be a good choice too. (JOKE) only a letter to change but this one makes our hobby sharp.
"-" The medium is the message...The content is the audience...;)
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE WAC basic,CW,Phone,Satellite Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe
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