European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal together to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA
for the sake of conversation what would a link budget look like for a transponder on the moon? Say for L & S band, get out the old AO-40 gear! (sobsob). Still rebuilding all antenna systems, includes digging holes, mixing concrete, welding, gin poles, trying to convince xyl etc.
73 Bob W7LRD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:06:36 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal together to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite
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Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only to make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage to put something into earth orbit.
The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can be experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Wagener To: i8cvs Cc: Amsat - BBs Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
> ESA has posted a very unique opportunity: > > http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html > > Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal together > to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool > educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's > encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't > you think? > > Stefan VE4NSA
> _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
Thanks Domenico,
Yes, ESA is interested in a moon payload and some of the space agencies including CSA (the agency I work with) has some interest. To simple propose a transponder would not fly. However, a transponder/transmitter that would allow a university experiment to transmit data back and be also useable for ham radio is just one of many potential ideas. The whole purpose of this exercise is for us to think a little bit outside of the box and link up with partners to help them and us. It is all about leveraging resources and capacities and if we (AMSAT) have a future at all, we need to do this more often.
Hope this Helps,
Stefan VE4NSA
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:46 PM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
** Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only to make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage to put something into earth orbit.
The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can be experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- *From:* Stefan Wagener [email protected] *To:* i8cvs [email protected] *Cc:* Amsat - BBs [email protected] *Sent:* Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM *Subject:* Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it.
Let's
encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it,
don't
you think?
Stefan VE4NSA _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the
author.
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It is to bad that the concentration couldn't be on something clever that would earn us some mass for a transponder. Like say some sort antenna that is deplorable and would massively increase the data rates.. Like an inflatable. Robert WB5MZO
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On May 31, 2012, at 12:46, "i8cvs" [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only to make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage to put something into earth orbit.
The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can be experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Wagener To: i8cvs Cc: Amsat - BBs Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA
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Do you really mean a "deplorable" antenna?
73 - Keith, W5IU
-----Original Message----- From: Robert G Oler [email protected] To: i8cvs [email protected] Cc: Amsat - BBs [email protected] Sent: Sat, Jun 2, 2012 1:44 pm Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
It is to bad that the concentration couldn't be on something clever that would earn us some mass for a transponder. Like say some sort antenna that is deplorable and would massively increase the data rates.. Like an inflatable. Robert WB5MZO
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2012, at 12:46, "i8cvs" [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only to
make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage to put something into earth orbit.
The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or
for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can be experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on
satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Wagener To: i8cvs Cc: Amsat - BBs Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
Interest
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting
it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA
Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Yikes. Comes from typing word fill and not paying all that much attention....planting my wife's trees
DEPLOYABLE. Not deplorable. The editor regrets the error. Robert WB5MZO
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 2, 2012, at 14:26, [email protected] wrote:
Do you really mean a "deplorable" antenna?
73 - Keith, W5IU -----Original Message----- From: Robert G Oler [email protected] To: i8cvs [email protected] Cc: Amsat - BBs [email protected] Sent: Sat, Jun 2, 2012 1:44 pm Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
It is to bad that the concentration couldn't be on something clever that would earn us some mass for a transponder. Like say some sort antenna that is deplorable and would massively increase the data rates.. Like an inflatable. Robert WB5MZO
Sent from my iPad
On May 31, 2012, at 12:46, "i8cvs" [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
I believe that ESA is interested to have a payload placed on the moon only to
make important and particular experiments that are impossible to manage to put something into earth orbit.
The capability of an Amateur Radio transponder to communicate between us or
for educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it can be experimented even placing a transponder on earth orbit or on top of a hill.
As you realize for the moment ESA seems to be not to much interested on
satellite amateur radio P3E and scientific probe P5A to Mars,figure out to place an amateur radio transponder on the Moon.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico ----- Original Message ----- From: Stefan Wagener To: i8cvs Cc: Amsat - BBs Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of
Interest
Yes Domenico,
You are correct. However, that particular ESA proposal is not about putting
it into orbit. It is an opportunity to have a payload placed on the moon. Once ESA has a proposal to put something into orbit, by all means.
Hope this helps,
Stefan
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM, i8cvs [email protected] wrote:
Hi Stefan, VE4NSA
It does not make sense to put a transponder on the Moon just for the simple reason that it's much more, simple and cheap to put it into earth orbit.
73" de
i8CVS Domenico
----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Wagener" [email protected] To: "Amsat - BBs" [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:06 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] European Lunar Lander - Call for Declarations of Interest
ESA has posted a very unique opportunity:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/HSF_Research/SEMGUMZWD2H_2.html
Wouldn't it be great if the key AMSAT organizations put a proposal
together
to put a ham radio transponder on the moon. It can have all the cool educational outreach and training opportunities associated with it. Let's encourage the AMSAT leadership teams to move quickly. We can do it, don't you think?
Stefan VE4NSA
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